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DGN @ City Club, Saturday, September 23rd Come. Join us. Meet us. Hang out. We're not that scary in person, really. Leland City Club 400 Bagley Street Downtown Detroit You enter by going through an unmarked door on the First Street side of the Ramada Hotel building, located at 400 Bagley Street in downtown Detroit. The club is at the top of the stairwell. (see picture in the link above in the DGN calendar entry) All are welcome. Come meet some of us weirdos. Saturday nights from 10:00 p.m. to 4:30 a.m. Alcoholic drinks until 2:00 a.m., pop and juices served all night. Admission is $4 18 and up, 21 to drink with proper ID (no exceptions). No drugs, weapons, chains, spikes or cell phones. Zoomable map to City Club. MDOT lane closures (The map isn't quite exact. The Ramada is located within the Bagley, 1st, Cass, Plaza Dr. block.) Note: This thread is about who is going to CITY CLUB ON SATURDAY, if you want talk about some other club,going to LCC on some other night,some other place or some other subject? Make a new thread, don't post about it in this one.

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Interesting documentary incomming. http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

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Yeah i've pretty much totally switched to water and/or diet pop... the sucking on the frozen dinners thing was me just being a dork. I got that from a woody allen movie. "Are frozen dinners all you have to cook in here?" "I dont cook em i just pull them out frozen and suck on them" (paraphrased) heh One meal a day in boot camp and them guys dont die. Sounds fine to me. Problem is i LIKE eating. One meal a day? Omg, sorta like telling a guy he cant masturbate 27 times a day anymore. I call shenanigans! Omg.. what is that crazy talk. That stuff is actual food that people eat? I thought that was just the fake food they put out for doing food commercials and sitcoms and things. Do they make fried rice cakes?

I have been reading this thread i'm just afraid to respond as then i might have to actually DO something. The comments are much appreciated, seriously. So far my huge diet plan is to actually pay attention to when i eat and not just go rummaging through the fridge whenever i'm sort of distracted/stressed. Didn't realize how >often:laugh: Its not like i'm eating like a bird and still gaining weight. Its fairly obvious to me "ok jackass... less pop... smaller portions... get some god damn exercise... ANY exercise, walking from the bed to the computer to the fridge and back doesn't count... less fried crap, more fiber...". I've been doing some of the above suggestions. Subway is pretty good and sure better than fettucini alfredo frozen dinners health wise. Requires $$ and ... omg leaving the house though. (and driving which, i can do but is a bit iffy sometimes) i'm trying to go for walks. I walk the dog, seems to help, because i know he wants to go out, its an added incentive rather than just me "willing" myself to go walk. The south beach diet is available on the internet, really though i'd summarize it and most all diets as "eat less BS foods, lower your calorie intake fucker". Its just the whole >doing it:unsure: I actually have a vic tanny membership that i think my credit card is still faithfully paying for actually... ugh. ' I used to work out 3-5 days a week (cardio and weight), that just totally stopped about 10 months ago. I also used to take multivitamins virtually every day for years which totally stopped at some point, probably not helping.

wow. What i know about sumeria i learned from "The Cartoon History of the Universe" ... which actually is really damn good. In the back of my mind i keep meaning to look into it further. The ancient City-States seem facinating.

The Heart of Buddha's Teaching - Thich Nat Han STILL reading this dang thing. I'm the kind of person that cant just breeze through something that i dont quite "get". So its taking ages. Its more of a "study" than a read. Yes i read books , usually with a dictionary nearby. Every page is a challenge.

Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 5 (DVD) Good stuff. Definitely better than Seinfeld. (Larry David the main star and writer is co-creator of seinfeld)

Sprung On The Cat - Sir Mixalot

I think my parents have that on 24/7 regardless if they are home or not.

Thats assuming we know what "they" (whatever we decide that means) came here for nor is it nessisarly likely we could interpret their actions with our laymans view of things. If they are so advanced, it wouldn't nessisarly follow that we could figure out what they were doing with their various events. Beings that are "so advanced" probably would have many actions that would make little or no sense to us. Who says they are ancient? Just as one example of how we cant really know such things: How do we have a clue how long tech takes to evolve on a totally alien world? How do we know what they would want? How do we even know we have the ablity to tell what they would want? Its a mistake to assume we'd know what they are here for, and then another guess about what these events mean (well there was something to do with cows and i know exactly what that means for example) , and THEN after making two huge assumptions guessing "well because i know what they are here for... it follows that they haven't been here since i know what the point of these various events is". We could easily have no basis to understand what their actions mean. If we assume they are so advanced, they could have access to things we dont have the slightest clue about nor how they would appear. No thats not really jacking , our view of life existing elsewere would be directly related one way or another to the existance of "real" ufo sightings. =) Unless you have some info i dont have, wow... that would be probably the blockbuster discovery of the millenium. No they have not found life anywhere else but earth. They've not even verified true-blue earth-style liquid water anywhere yet. True earth-style liquid water is believed to have once existed in several locations and there is near-earth style water in at least 2 places that i know of. (liquid water is believed to bea bare minimum requirement for any type of life in virtually every model) But not even a microbe found anywhere as yet. Damn that would be sweet if they had. But even if they did find life on mars its not nessisarly "independant" of life on earth. They could be related. (many ideas could be thrown in here) All the cosmology (that is the scientific study of the nature of the universe) that i know about has to make huge guesses to come up with what is "probable" and they always state is as such once you read into it far enough. We have found life no where else, we dont know what 99.9X% of the universe is even made of (becasue the vast majority of it does not reflect electromagnetic waves and is thus "dark". (Light, radio, etc) So only having one planetary example of life, and missing the vast majorty of data on what the rest of the universe is made of, makes it exceedingly difficult to make any definitive guesses about life elsewhere. Its a clear logic error , even if there were 2 planets with life on them to say. "Well its in two places... it must be common in the cosmos" (but again its only on one) True, i think the general "hunch" is that there is life elsewhere but again its by no means a foregone conclusion. Its unrealistic to make guesses about the nature of the universe from a laymans perspective since "the verse" does not resemble our everyday experience. What we see around here locally in our everyday experience on the planet is virtually useless as a means to make any predictions about life off-world. With Brane/M theory (modern terms for string theory) thrown in, the only things that seem "probable" are black holes, all the universe models predict them nowadays, no other single "mystery" is predicted by so many models. Often life does not occur at all, or is considered unlikely and/or rare. Despite the size of the universe , there is generally considered to be a nearly as vast set of circumstances that are required for life .. especially intelligent life. The universe is not infinite, and thus there is not an "infinite" number of chances for life to exist. I LIKE the idea of intelligent life , but theres no data to "prove" its "likely". There is plenty of disagreement about that by people that study such things for a living. Carl Sagan/Jodie Fosters "well it would be an aweful waste of space" not withstanding. "Well its rilly big must be more life out there" is a total guess. I dont really think its a threadjack to discuss that though. Your hunch on if life exists or not... would totally negate UFOs if the answer was "no theres no life out there". Funny how a couple hundred years can make a big difference in popular opinion. At one time it was widely assumed that earth was the only place with intelligent (finite) life. Nowadays i think the general guess is that there is life out there somewhere. Neither is a decent argument though, just because X number of people believe something doesn't make it any more true or untrue. Having said all that long winded crap i do think it still comes down to a guess. But a much more difficult guess than some would assume. I think we like to file stuff away as "answered" and are too quick to decide that we know the final answer.

Couples often dont live in the same location. In general we've always encouraged people to have their own "accounts" rather than share it with one or the other. I'd think this would be a similiar situation. Just seems to make for a simpler situation to just have everyone that wants to be on the member map add themselves.

I posted the code (can just be cut & pasted) at the bottom of the Rules & FAQ at the top of the forum in case anyone wants to help us out when a new person shows up (either posting an introduction or making a welcome post) Looks better if the same people (or always mods) are doing it. Random fyi. As usual it always helps to welcome new people even if its just saying "welcome". Any help keeping the place friendly and active is always appreciated, of whatever form. DGN Welcome Questions (scroll to bottom)

So, copied and pasted will look like: *drum roll*

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Spike? Jones? Lee? The guy from Cowboy Beebop? Seems like i'd get really depressed really fast if i started thinking my pillow was some actual "person" ... at some point the illusion would die and wow talk about an easy way to get yourself into toaster-on-the-tub-ledge territory. Hrmm i guess i do mildly remember thinking when i was like 10 that my she-ra figure was somehow maybe real and she was into me. Er no wait that was "Teela" (sp?)

Theres nothing nessisarily "probable" about life occurring. This is actually one of the things that intelligent desgin advocates point to as something that leans in favor of creation. That is, that many scientists are NOT sure that life is common and indeed some feel that its a very uncommon occurance. (therefore , its argued it must have been created specificly at a specific time and put there by a specific creator... not just "occured") Not saying i agree with that, just its one fairly commonly held viewpoint. Its true that it can be ARGUED that life is probable. But you have to (yes i've done my homework) make a lot of assumptions which is more based on feeling than fact to come up with a full conclusion. Theres a wide breadth of cosmology that covers this subject, rarely doe any creditable scientists say that they "know for sure" that its "probable"... they have to make certian guesses about what makes up 99% of the universe (dark matter) to make any prediction about what is probable. There is a lot of interesting work on dark matter, some that leads to the idea that life on many worlds is probable but its by no means a given. Its only our small view of localized reality that gives us this "feeling" that there must be endless varieties of life out there or that its unlikely. It takes a lot more data than we can accumuliate walking around on earth to make such a claim one way or the other. Anyhow, my point there was more do you (the reader) really believe that Aliens (and i'm assuming we all have the standard definition of "an intelligence not human from another world(s))" have been here. Have they actually been here actually seen etc. (addressing vater more than anyone with this last statement) Oh and what Steven brings up is interesting. i'm no longer convinced of any "advanced" artifacts inability to be made by standard human (albeit often amazing) technology of the time. The pyramids for example , having done my homework on that in particular, are very convincingly human in origin after much ... er digging. Same for stonehenge and most any other mega/monolithic structures i've studied. (again i really have done my homework on the subject, not saying i know for sure.. but i tend to be pretty convinced they are human in origin) I used to be actually of a similar opinion "there is a lot of really advanced artifacts out there.. difficult to say they where made by humans... im guessing it wasn't aliens.. it was angels". I did up until maybe the last 5-8 years tend toward this idea which i've slowly after doing a lot of research veered away from. It (angels/their progeny are the perceived "aliens" idea) is a fairly logical conclusion if you make assumptions as I (and many) did/do mans Abilities were only X at the time, humanity is probably the only intelligent race (at least that has been on earth), and that the christian view of the universe is acurate. "The angels or their progeny" is , assuming all of the above a possible answer. One that i held for quite awhile. I was raised in a fairly fundamentalist christian way and such ideas are not so "far out" in this context than some might think at first glance.

DGN @ City Club, Saturday, September 16th Come. Join us. Meet us. Hang out. We're not that scary in person, really. Leland City Club 400 Bagley Street Downtown Detroit You enter by going through an unmarked door on the First Street side of the Ramada Hotel building, located at 400 Bagley Street in downtown Detroit. The club is at the top of the stairwell. (see picture in the link above in the DGN calendar entry) All are welcome. Come meet some of us weirdos. Saturday nights from 10:00 p.m. to 4:30 a.m. Alcoholic drinks until 2:00 a.m., pop and juices served all night. Admission is $4 18 and up, 21 to drink with proper ID (no exceptions). No drugs, weapons, chains, spikes or cell phones. Zoomable map to City Club. MDOT lane closures (The map isn't quite exact. The Ramada is located within the Bagley, 1st, Cass, Plaza Dr. block.) Note: This thread is about who is going to CITY CLUB ON SATURDAY, if you want talk about some other club,going to LCC on some other night,some other place or some other subject? Make a new thread, don't post about it in this one.

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There were several people that you could not visually see their "pin" no matter how close you zoomed in , adjusted them slightly.

5 grand for a real doll... or im guessin like 50 cents for a "pillow doll". When i posted this i did a little digging , one of the eastern versions of Xbox comes with a free pillow girl. I thought about it more than i should be thinking about it. I just not grasping it , i guess you could look at it like having a regular doll. People have dolls right? Not sure i know any grown men that sleep with them though. I think its, what appears to be a sort of "loving emotion" coming out of these guys toward their pillow girlfriends that makes it so odd. I dont get the impression these are .. er.. male versions of vibrators? They actually seem to be having some sort of relationship with these pillow women. Hell, if your that hard up you CAN get a girlfriend. If your standards are so low that a bedsheet will meet them.. theres plenty out there.

Chris Rock - "Black People Vs N******"

Yeah just try again. Its working and is a quick/easy signup. Must have been a fluke. Theres like 10 people signed up in the last 48 hours, must be working.

Your already on there HW. Kinda neat/funny zooming out and you see this big clump of dots around the center/north of North America then this one lonely dot way over across the pond.