freydis

You're missing the point of the scholarly arguement. But no matter. Interesting discussion regardless.

Nope. Actually, historically/anthropologically speaking, it was still more about stuff than about religion. For instance, in old Europe, even when religion was pretty important... marriage and fidelity was held important because of the rights of inheritance. Royal bloodlines of many cultures where the line of decendance was important for inheritance of titles and land wanted to know that their line was unbroken, that it was one of their own that inherited. That's why so many royals of so many cultures were prone to hemophilia--because of the inbreeding. I'm not saying religion has nothing to do with marriage. I'm saying that historically speaking, it has little to do with marriage. Marriage, in the eyes of the state, is about laws, and rights, and *stuff*. Always has been. Used to be that religion had a lot to do with laws, so religion was a part of marriage. That said, I'm not an atheist. However---this is what I think: What I did with my husband in front of the judge was about law, rights, and stuff. In the eyes of the law, that's Marriage. What I did in front of the priest and priestess, with our families and friends assembled, was about love and religion. That's life. My main point was an arguement toward Rev's claim that without religion there wouldnt be marriage. Marriage was never historically about religion. It's about "that woman is mineminemine and you cant touch her neenerneener cause she is mine! .....and so is her stuff." LOL

Like that old familiar feeling is brewing..... its just about fall!

I have tuesday off. I wanna write....

Actually, Rev.... if you really wanna debate it, Marriage was never *really* about religion, historically speaking. It's about stuff. Who inherits what, who owns what. Most societies who are heavy into the patriarchy or hold land rights/possessions in high importance also feel marriage and legitimacy (as in... is this kid mine, or the milkman's?) is high in importance. There are, however, many very old cultures whose marriage practices (or lack thereof) differ greatly. And as such, dont hold with the whole you-own-my-shiat-cause-i-sleep-wit-you bit. I think it may be a tribe in Tibet who practice a form of polyandry, and women may choose a new husband yearly if they want, and often have their own farms and such, and dont stay at their husband's house all the time. They are also still quite religious. So, a lot of this Marriage business is really about Right of Inheritance. And that's a topic that's older than dirt.

Congratulations! You win the thread!

This is Ireland's Gay Rights movement's ad for marriage equality. Rather clever ad. Has a bit of a point too, now doesn't it?

Not to be a broken record on the subject, but---- ANI!!!! :

Doesnt matter what I think or dont think. Matters what the pregnant person thinks. I should not have a say in what someone else can or cannot do with their body, let alone some 60-something year old MALE senator...

Much better.

I KNOW YOU! Hey there!

Scientists resurrect the sounds of ancient instruments.

Seriously.... WTF?

YESYESYES! The feeling of a really great song, and knowing you had a part in writing it!

I miss the fall, and cider mills. I miss Dee. I miss Phee. I miss Meg--wish I'd have gotten to know you better before i moved an additional 1400 miles. I miss Mike. I wanna write music again. I miss April. We had fun while i was still there... I MISS MY MOM. srsly. We need to go see scary movies again. I miss my grandma. She's been gone awhile. I miss city club.... I love it here. But I loved it there too. Hell, at least its WAY better here than Indiana. Only thing i miss from indy is Tony and his comic store. Can I move everyone out here? I love it out here, this is where i'd like to be, methinks. But i miss you all.

Like my head wants to explode. Like i have another page of book done. Like if my head didnt hurt so bad, i'd work on the other book too. Maybe tomorrow. Like my schedule is soon to get really busy again. Like I really, really miss writing songs. Like that makes me miss Mike...heheh.

New page up. Bunch of new writers, too. One of them is Emmymau.

That's funny, cause for about 11 months before we moved here, we were in Anderson, IN. It was very....isolated. Probably one of the lower points in our lives. :/ The Denver area is definitely more our speed.

I moved here for a job. I've been with Comcast for almost 5 years now.... I applied for and got a promotion. My husband woks for FedEx Kinko's and was able to transfer.... I think jobs are pretty scarce all over, but at least it looks a little better here than in Michigan. :/ Been to Boulder yet? We know someone there who's also from Michigan, pretty neat city....

me?

My husband and I just moved to Denver. We're in Englewood. I've not had the chance to go clubbing yet, but there's also a yahoo group that posts all kinds of events around here. They recently had the Gothnic, they have bowling, ghost stories, and high tea often, too. It's just usually when I'm at work. :(

It happens. I have a new page up right now!

My husband is a *rabid* GI Joe fan, and he said it wasnt bad for a reboot. He said it could have been better, but it wasnt bad. I thought it was pretty good.

Trying a new theme. Whatcha think?

Personally, I think it has taken me years to truely understand love. It is both the simplest and most complex feeling in the world. I think people put far too many constraints on it, and let social expectations and social mores rule how they think and feel about other people. I think that love is beautiful, and it takes many shapes and forms, and to abandon it, or to run from it is folly. Let it happen, and stop setting expectations. Just live, and enjoy the people who come into and out of your life. Love them, enjoy every minute you have with those wonderful, special people.