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Neither. The first is ineligible and regardless of his ability and intentions does not and should never have the right to run. The second would end up on a Republicrat or Demapublican ticket and considering they are just two sides of a double faced coin I wouldn't vote for either. Lacking a suitable candidate in any other party then I wouldn't cast a presidential vote, period.

I had to point out those two lines. According to his breed of Islam? They could have taken him out in the middle of the desert, dug a 20' deep pit, given him his burial rights and covered him up without a marker. Note the without a marker point, according to his sect a marker would be dishonorable. My personal feelings as to what should have been done with the body after it was brought here and given a proper autopsy, the fucker should have been encased in clear acrylic and moved from city to city for all to see. Then after a few years sawed into manageable chunks and sent through a wood chipper into a landfill. I think it worth restating. It isn't that I think he is alive, I think this "death" is staged.

My point isn't that it was a bad thing to do religiously, I only highlight to point out what a bullshit defense the disposal at sea is. Everyone wants to focus on that aspect being right or wrong so they can ignore the two issues with it that I highlight. The speed between supposed time of death and irrecoverable disposal method.

But dude, anyone who tries to argue about the nose diving fiat and the record joblessness knows that they would need to be slapped for proposing any such form of stupidity to the contrary. Of course when the only arguments that someone has is hyperbole that has gone past absurd or outright lying about what someone says tho it is in writing, maybe they do think that others are just spending their valuable dollars wrong and taking unpaid extended vacations.

Bin Laden's burial at sea... Ignoring what the Muslim scholars are saying and reading seaservices.com/Muslim.htm conjoined with the fact that the USS Carl Vinson has cold storage facilities, the body should not have been dumped. Inset disparaging remarks about failed attempts at disparagement. Now if he has been alive and on the run for the past 10 years one must give the man great respect where great respect is due. It is no simple feat to live on the run for so long with a dialysis machine in tow, made all the more difficult traveling through mountainous terrain and using it during that long stint in the caves.

Chern, The only thing your bolding proves is that I think it is staged. That has nothing to do with whether I think he is alive or dead. According to what I have posted you could assume that I believed he was already dead a week ago or a month ago or last year or back in 2003 when Madeline Albright said it on FauxNews. Sigh, black is white, up is down, Emmanuel Goldstein is dead.

First off explain where I try to prove that he is not dead? If you can successfully answer then I will bother to dignify the rest of what you said with a response. Heck I'll make it easier for you. Show me where I imply it.

Of course it should dude. It is part of the good PR. Our savior got that evil bastard and lowered gas prices in one swell foop. Great PR for those who only see a few pixels in the picture. read as zombie majority.

Except offing of salad lube Yoda does.

Not only is it believed to be another pretext for more war but don't forget what good PR it is for the president who has the lowest approval rating yet. It is also more pretext for removing more rights using fear mongering over Al CIAda reprisal.

Oh for those of you who don't know it. Tim Osman is Osama Bin Laden’s CIA asset code name.

Now the first I heard of it was in a small article with a picture. Then I read another article with this quote in it "The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible." that made me think about the photo circulating all over the place. I did a google search for a larger size death photo and noticed that there is only one shot, but I also saw a photo of him alive that looked strikingly similar. I got up this morning to do some more research to prove that the photo is false (without using the government oafs statement) but it appears I was beaten to it. Now I say "Lets see the real photo with the "massive head wound above his left eye ... with brains and blood visible" to prove at least that much" Then I have other questions like "Why dispose of the body about a day later?" and "Why dispose of it in a non recoverable way?" It doesn't matter if he is alive or dead, I can only come to one conclusion. This is staged.

Using his awesome self control... Spock causes himself blush so he can maintain Kirks attraction. Forgot about that green blood?

Exact same argument I would throw out. Of course I sand in the middle by arguing that you cant know that there is a god or that there isn't. The same holds true with Obamas standing, there is not enough unquestionable evidence to say he was born on American soil. In fact there is zero unquestionable evidence, on the other hand there is plenty of questions. Question #1 how did a document that they Hawaiian government claim did not exist suddenly appear in their records? Question #2 why does this document still say certificate of live birth. It is a fact that 2 out of three documents are issued there with every birth. Document one is the birth certificate, it is suppose to appear in every case. Document number two is one of two possibilities. Either a certification that the birth was live or a certification that it was still. For the latter some states only issue the standard death certificate and other issue a certificate of still birth. Question #3 why does his grandmother remember attending his birth in Kenya? Understand this, no proof has been given concerning his place of birth and I will not except god as fact or fiction till proof is given one way or another so I will not except Barry Saetoros birthplace on faith. Because of your refusal to see that the "evidence" is questionable I have to tell you, stop worshiping the man. Of course that was pointless of me to say because just like you cant talk sense into the true atheist you cant talk sense into the true believer.

And I have seen proof that it is not. Your point?

First, if you zoom it out so that the entire thing fits on the screen you will notice that it is two pieces. A surround with the state registrars signature certifying it as valid and the main body IE the info. It is blatantly obvious that it is two pieces and cant be explained away by something like scanning error. The main body is a slightly different color to the naked eye, there is a bevel on the right hand side of the main body. Second, no state seal. Actually reading the thing. I noticed on the time of birth the letter M and the period that follows it are of an entirely different font than the rest of the M's and periods. Remember they used type writers back then and the fonts don't change unless you replace the strike arms. Why replace two arms just to use them once and switch them back? But then again I can easily explain that away just by assuming that the m. is preprinted. Why is his fathers race listed as African? Back then he would have been listed as Colored or Negro possibly Negroid if the hospital was trying to be PC. It doesn't have length or weight on it. I can conceive that they didn't give a crap in Hawaii back then but my father was born in Michigan during 49 and that info is on it and my mother in law was born in but fuck Tennessee during the 40 and that info is on there. In my opinion if some hick town hospital in the middle of nowhere Tennessee thinks the info is important then Hawaii must have been run by fucktards of the lowest grade in the 60's. Yeah, sounds about right.

So has anyone actually given the certificate of live birth a look? I don't mean just read it, I mean looook at it. I was immediately struck by 2 things that are wrong with it.

Oh, worry about the relatively minor implication. Well at least racists in denial as to what they are and the other racist will have their eyes averted from the real problems this would cause just like the zombie masters want. Frankly it would frighten me because the Federal Mafia will try to, and succeed in, ceasing even more power so that "This Never Happens Again" essentially resulting in some form of national ID card/chip/biometric/666 tattoo or what ever you want to call it. That's just one problem. One potential is if there is a law that causes law created under his regime to become immediately invalid, or even worse, retroactively invalid causing massive lawsuits. Hooray the patriot act expired because his extension is invalid, BOOO now everyone that suffered an indignity because of the enforcement of an invalid law now has a potential law suit.

Spock counters Kirk by reminding him of that night.CLICK ME

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Sorry dude, true as the law my be, Hawaii denying Obama was not the issue. Within their own law all he has to do is the appropriate paperwork. Once Hawaii took their stance (bravo) it fell upon him and his actions from the beginnings of his regime show that he has zero regard for The Tenth so any "I was showing constitutional support" defense goes out the door. As far as I can see his only defense is "I was fucking with The People". We didn't do anything, you wanna include yourself then that's fine. Had it been Gore doing the same thing then I would have become 10 times more adamant. OK no I wouldn't, I would have been screaming for someone to shoot me but I think you get the point. And you just keep on thinking that the people wanting to make sure we don't have a foreigner in office is a waist of time. I mean it isn't like a foreign president would ignore the constitution and get us into more wars (like Obama) spreading our forces even thinner so that they could, saaaay, call in their buddies to invade. Oh no a foreigner wouldn't dare create laws to help other countries at the detriment of us. Get over the white guilt, it is just a covert form of racism.

HAHA SONG DID NOT DIE! Who will find a way.

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Not when I can go to Beyer Memorial Hospital showing them what looks like an old legitimate birth certificate that states the birth took place there and ask them to give me a certificate of live birth and they comply without verifying the validity of said birth certificate. Actually the way it happened was I thought I could get a copy of my birth certificate there and they printed me a live birth cert then told me where to take it in Ann Arbor so that I only needed it and my SS card to get the birth certificate. I wasn't in their computer system, they didn't look through hard files and they didn't even call anyone to make sure that a person with my name even existed. A LBC may be legal but it is not proof in any instance.

Want I should give you the real reason behind that?