Ivy_Cat

That's it.. "goth" is really chocolate!! i should have known... hehehehhehehe IT WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT!!!

dissapointed ... but accomplished! life goes on....

yes we were... but withing the group we respected each other a great deal.. that is what WE were all about!! We helped each other, never insulted each other and even thought we were rejected by many, we tried to never do the same in return. Within us there were many different kinds.. the ones that enjoyed the music, the ones that enjoyed the arts, the ones that enjoyed the style..some of us wore the dark clothing ... some did not.. it was more a lifestyle than a style in itself. If that makes any sence. (sorry english is not my first language). But i guess that what I am trying to say is that no matter what aspect of the goth culture we were involved in we helped and respected each other. That is not so common anymore, within the culture there are soooo many clicks, and soooo many groups that attack each other I feel like "goth" is no longer the culture i grew up with.. is just one more click. I do consider myself goth, and always will be.. but unfortunately i don't think the terms hold up to the ideals it did in the past. Maybe I am way to old and idealistic.. but i do miss the "freedom" that being goth brought to my life at one point! oh.. and maybe i found the other post insulting because to me the word "rejection" has always been and insult.. i might be wrong.. who knows... but growing up in a country were i could not even understand the language for the first 3 years I might have become a little ubber sensitive about rejection and acceptace.. (and acceptance is what i had always found wtihing the goth culture) until recently if he did nto mean it as an insult I am sorry...

Do you HAVE TO insult people to get your point across!! what makes your movement better than any other movement?? Why can you believe in whatever makes you happy and let other people be?? I just don't get it!! IT IS GREAT you believe in something that makes YOU happy!! but insulting other groups in the process is childish, and inmature... THE ACTUAL point of the goth subculture was (at least back in my day) that you could be YOU without being judge or insulted for it!! I GUESS that no longer is the case... interesting

The way I see it it"s pretty simple!! if everyone was true to themselves.. and did what they wanted to do.. and explored what they wanted to explore without following the group you could not label anyone!! but we live in a world were labels are a given!! some for good, some for bad.. some because we dont understand each other... What I do not understand is the insulting.. its low.. its childish... like ICE QUEEN said the thread that inspired this was the most high school style thread i have read in a very long time, and for what purpose? none.. We all have opinions.. and its great that we live in a country were we can express them! (I come from a country were if you speak your mind you could dissapear).. so lets use that freedom WITHOUT HURTING EACH OTHER!! It is really NOT necessary... we don't have to like the same things, and there are ways to express what we like and dislike without calling each other names.. insults.. or anything of the sort! Sorry I try to implant this ideas on my children.. cause i HATE when people insult each other just because they do not understand someone's lifestyle.. you don't have to like it! but you can respect it! THis is not really a rant.. it is just something I have been thinking about all day! IT is what it is.. i can't change people.. but maybe We can all start thinking a little more before we get judgmental and mean towards each other! Let's get along... and you know, sometimes asking questions to each other about what we don't understand can lead to great friendships!!

i would love to model for you.. and yes.. you should listen to Marc (he should know).. Muahahahaha But again i have modeled for him a few times!

Tired, Excited... in a general good mood! hopping that things finally stop spiraling down! YAY!

i had an amazing ime.. did not get home until 6:00am.. and by the way Marc, u were preeetty popular i noticed :-)