the eternal

Unfortunately, my messiah hasn't come yet, but as the High holidays approach, I'll pledge to keep waiting. I think I'll start looking if peace in the mideast actually happens. My words weren't fancy, they were plain and to the point. Obama ran on keeping the tax cuts for everyone but the wealthy, and he'd like to keep it that way. I respectfully disagree. I don't see current jobs in jeopardy if he lets the Bush tax cuts to the rich expire, as they were put in place during a boom time, and were not really needed. Rich people NEVER had tax rates so low, and they always made out just fine. Bush wanted to make it even better for them, and now Obama, seeing the deficit soaring and also seeing that the Bush tax cuts for the rich was not a big job creator, wants to let them expire. IM SORRY BUT LETTING RECENT TAX CUTS EXPIRE FOR RICH PEOPLE THAT DIDNT NEED THEM AND WERE FINE W/O THEM IS NOT THE SAME AS RAISING TAXES Obama sees the benefit of the middle class tax cuts though and would like to keep them, and even add another tax cut...one that SPECIFICALLY targets the small businesses that you say he doesnt care about. Unfortunately, in the highly dramatized rhetoric that gets thrown around, it's easy to forget that Obama DOES want the American people to thrive, he just has a different path than some others who also feel strongly about the American worker. ONE difference is that Obama, as well as the majority of Americans, are angry at the companies who open PO Boxes overseas just so they can avoid paying taxes. I pay taxes YOU pay taxes. Why shouldn't major corporations? It's total bullshit. But amazingly, those same GOP politicians that go on about the American people, want to preserve loopholes that keep companies from paying taxes like you and I do. And yet, he wants to give companies that are trying to cure cancer and create the next great invention a permanent tax cut. Not bad for a tax-and-spend-communist-fascist-anarchist-terroristmuslim-radical liberationist Christian that wants to destroy America ----------------------------------------------------------- Obama to Pitch Permanent Research Tax Credit By JACKIE CALMES Published: September 4, 2010 WASHINGTON — As part of his pre-election push to spur the slumping economy and his party, President Obama this week will ask Congress to increase and permanently extend a popular but costly tax credit for businesses’ research expenses, and to pay for it by closing other corporate tax breaks, according to administration officials. Mr. Obama is planning to outline the $100 billion proposal on Wednesday in a speech in Cleveland on the economy. The White House chose the venue partly to draw a contrast with a recent economic address there by Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader who would probably become House speaker should his party win a majority in November. Besides seeking a permanent research credit, Mr. Obama will call for expanding the simpler of two credit options available to businesses. He would increase that to 17 percent from 14 percent. The research credit, which has existed in some form since 1981, has strong bipartisan and business support. Yet the prospects for Mr. Obama’s proposal are unclear. Congress returns from a break in mid-September but will be in session only a few weeks before leaving for midterm election campaigning. Also, Republicans do not want to give Democrats boasting rights to legislative victories, even for a proposal like this one, which Republicans have long espoused. And there is the issue of the credit’s cost. It has always been passed as a temporary credit because of the revenue losses; Congress has extended it 13 times for as little as six months, and the uncertainty has long vexed businesses. It lapsed after 2009, and a proposal to renew it for this year is pending in the Senate. Making the credit permanent would cost an estimated $85 billion over 10 years, and expanding it would cost $15 billion more, according to the administration. Doing so, however, would end one of the longest-running budget gimmicks in town: Presidents and Congresses of both parties have called for a permanent extension but ultimately kept it temporary to reduce deficit projections. Based on that history, the Treasury would probably give up as much as $100 billion in the coming decade in any case. Under Democrats’ pay-as-you-go law, however, the full 10-year cost would have to be offset by other savings. Mr. Obama will propose that Congress adopt some of the provisions proposed in his annual budget to close corporate tax loopholes. Most of them, which would apply to multinational corporations’ overseas income and to oil and gas companies, among others, have languished in Congress because of business opposition. In effect, the administration is asking business groups and their Republican allies to choose at a time of high deficits which breaks they prefer; the research credit has long been a priority. A group of corporations recently told Senate leaders they would accept an end to some of the tax breaks protecting overseas profits in return for other incentives, notably the research credit. “The R&D tax credit creates high-wage American jobs,” the United States Chamber of Commerce says on its Web site, because at least 70 percent of the tax benefits are attributable to salaries for those doing the research, and only research done in the United States is eligible. Mr. Obama, in his weekly address on Saturday, said more must be done to help the middle class and “to accelerate job creation.” “The steps we have taken to date have stopped the bleeding,” he said, by using infrastructure investments, subsidies to states to retain teachers and first responders, tax cuts and loans for small business. “We also ended a tax loophole that encouraged companies to create jobs overseas,” he added. “Instead, I’m fighting to pass a law to provide tax breaks to the folks who create jobs right here in America.” Other stimulus proposals that Mr. Obama and Congressional Democrats are pushing are aimed at helping small-business owners, a favorite constituency for both parties at election time. The research credit mostly benefits large corporations. The Government Accountability Office, which does research for Congress, said that 549 corporations with receipts exceeding $1 billion claimed more than half of the net $6 billion value of the credit in 2005, the last year for which data was available. Critics argue that businesses get tax breaks for research they would do anyway, and the credit has been a subject of disputes between corporations and the I.R.S. The G.A.O. proposed reforms to simplify the credit and improve the incentive for businesses to do new research. Some of the ideas are reflected in the changes that Mr. Obama will propose.

I'm too tired to be long or make a joke here. (OK truth be told I'm never too tired for that but go along with me on this one) What Gaf is conveniently omitting is that Obama wants to extend the tax cuts for everyone but those in the highest tax bracket, thereby helping lower the deficit which the GOP kept whining about (until now) while keeping the savings for those of us making (far) less than $250k. Yet, the GOP wants to filibuster. Why would they want to keep poor and middle class from keeping taxes low? Because let's face it, the Bush tax cuts were a means to an end in the first place. He got rid of the marriage penalty and lowered the 15% to 10% as a way to pacify the populace as he gave the biggest benefits to the wealthiest 1% Trickle-down has never fucking worked and somehow the rich people were doing just fine under Clinton and (yes I said it-) Reagan Oh, did you know that? Rich people paid MORE in taxes under Reagan, and I don't see any conservative criticizing his economic policy. So, the rich are wah-wahing about having to give up a little bit extra of their money--which they never missed in the first place until Bush handed them even MORE wads of cash--which Obamas is rolling back in order to keep the deficit down, a Republican cause, all the while as the GOP brass are threatening to throw a temper tantrum so big (filibuster) that everyone gets drowned in it, and no one gets a tax cut. What's more, to spur job growth, Obama is ALSO considering EVEN MORE tax cuts. He may be suspending the payroll tax so small businesses would have enough money to bring on more workers. If all this expires, you have rich greedy conservative politicians and their special interests to blame.

Just don't beat my ass with a paddle again and we'll be solid

I love scary fundamentalist documentaries.

Or, if you're feeling lazy, or if it's too hot out, you could just walk own the street to the high school. There is a FREE shuttle going from ROHS all weekend. (parking is $10 in the parking lot, so you have to walk there, but the bus ride doesnt cost a penny) HEY! There's someone else that lives in Royal Oak too! Meet me at the big penis! Then we can walk to the show.

You know it's funny I was just checking to see what Mstrbeaus up to (I have a constantly bouncing ball of tangents running through my head, and I thought of him because I posted about the DGN thanksgiving you're all coming to, Thursday Nov 25th, and he was a big part of making it happen last year and--SEE you're in the middle of one my tangents right now---having fun yet?) Anyway, I'm floored that we're all taking so much time to take on one misguided, misinformed bigot, when this whole thread was posted to celebrate a comprehensive, fact filled judgment with several friend briefs and a mountain of evidence to support it. Bottom line--no matter how he dresses it up, he, and the socially conservative movement, wants you to equate being gay with being a pedophile. Conservatives have done it for decades. It's stupid but effective. It taps into our fears of being taken advantage of. No one likes a pedophile. They're terrifying people and heartless because they take away a child's innocence. Why do you think they're the most hated and abused in prison? The other thing that everyone's talking about in this thread, and in this one, you're playing into his hands completely and unquestioningly, is: this Bob Saget game show where you have to be smarter than a variety of people to win a million dollars, but you know they'll get overzealous and lose it all and be embarrassed on national television and their kids'll hate him forever, even though they were the ones egging him on in the first place to keep going and--- WAIT A SEC--that's 1 vs 100. I'm sorry. The stupid overblown argument we all unseemingly took at face value is this 1 vs 7 million argument. Justifying that we let the one person (judge) win and over turn the will of the American people. Um, unless only 7 mill voted it wasn't 1 vs 7 mill. In fact if only 53% voted for Prop 8, AND if it is true that (inserting BOOMING ominous voice) 7 MILLION people were ignored and their will was DENIED, doesn't that mean that 6.5 MILLION people were heard and validated? I'm not even going into Gaf's argument because although well-reasoned and thought out, it's real world application is zero. We will never EVER overturn marriage, so it's just an easy cop-out IMHO. What WILL happen, is, if this decision gets upheld, California equality will be the first step toward complete federal marriage equality. Which is extremely important, because federally, there are hundreds of laws and benefits that are denied to same sex couples. HERES THE OTHER THING-- As long as there is civil unions for one minority group and marriage for the rest of us, same sex couples will ALWAYS have a psychological second class status, as if somehow their union has less validity than straight couples's union. Oh, and in a rich twist of irony, those truly disturbed, sick, people who touch children: DO have all those nice rights and protections, as THEY can marry, and yet somehow those great federal protections (and in most places, state and city) are denied to two loving consenting people of the same sex. That's even more unbelievable than the longevity of this guy's career.

Hi everyone! beanternal had an awesome time Saturday night at a party. The hosts couldn't have done a better job warming and then trashing their own new house, along with their reputation in the neighborhood. I'm still pissed at a certain someone for detaching my 3 foot penis and stomping it to smithereens, but at least I held her skirt up while everyone beat her ass, and then threw her into a chair which subsequently broke, so it's all good! ------------ I feel that bean is wonderful to me and I love her. Not as much as Troll2 or Birdemic or The Room, because that's a masterpiece, but I love her nonetheless ----------- Oh and I promised her I'd hold off on making a big Thanksgiving thread, since it's too far off. So I'm NOT telling you all that you better put in your calendars to come over on November 25th, EITHER--- for a Thanksgiving feast, if you killed your families like we did OR to the Fangsgiving afterparty starting at 8-ish for those of you who PLAN on killing your families after being forced to spend an evening with them. And I'm definitely NOT telling Stormknight and Mstrbeau that they need to bring their ribs and grill, respectively, for that was incredible. Or telling Tszura and Nightgaunt that they need to bring their 7-layer tortilla pie, or TWB to bring her French Silk, or Hunhee to bring her not-quite-as-good-as-Bear-Jew-sex pie. There are a lot of other things that I'm NOT going to post here. Because that will just have to wait until the DGN Thanksgiving thread in a month or so. I'm not looking at you Garbeldena/Osaka/Riku/Raev/Eevee/Spook/Burrich/Tygerlili/MS/Chernobyl/Pest/Brenda/TC/LOS/Dragonluv/Pomba Gira/the above mentioned/as well as everyone else I forgot to mention from last year + my bad movie night people + anyone else that misses my Manfastic manliness or bean's Wasabi-tested tongue of steel You, and many more, will be invited. BUT NOT YET! So definitely do not go to your calendars and write down "beanternal's house" on November 25th. That will come later. Oh one more thing, I'm feeling kinda freak-ish and well,

Them? Isn't is basically Jack Dangers? Love MBM. Great Stuff. Been putting out awesome music since the 80s. (Not a fan of Satyricon because it sounded like like second rate techno to me, but otherwise love him) I expect a review on here.

I gotta start eating better and exercising again. I really enjoyed watching weird movie shorts with Tzura and NG. When is my arm going to fully heal? Just read another study that people fuck well into retirement ages if the man is in good physical health, which means, I gotta start eating better and exercising again. I wish I hadn't given so many years to my ex, but if I can have 50 good ones with bean, I'll be happy.

I may be ripping on and praising this thread at the same. The whole question raised here seems like something for a 16-year old's journal. Which may in turn simply be a criticism of Vampoholic's cousin. I don't claim to be goth or cool or different or weird or dark or a nerd, for that matter (although at some time or another those have been used to describe me by different people--mostly "weird") But I'm me. I like the music I like and I think black is the best color on the planet (as does ungoth country singer Johnny Cash) I do what makes me happy and I surround myself with people that are by and large genuine. regardless of their preferences. My ex thinks I'm a child for having hundreds of CDs and movies (and I'd have more if 90% of my paycheck didn't go her) and my co-workers laughed and looked down on me when I told them I dressed up as the Bear Jew and nearly broke my arm at Manfast. Yet in contrast to my co workers and my ex,I didn't come into work with a hangover on July 5th due to getting wasted in front of family on the 4th, and I didn't cheat on bean with middle aged men, so I'm not quite sure who the immature one is and who REALLY needs to grow up I understand that at some point we all have to be an adult and have responsibilities. We have to work. We have to look out for our friends and our family. I just don't see how turning in your personality, and becoming a conformist zombie is a required rite of passage to growing up. And if that, and my musical and clothing choices makes me a goth, so be it.

Easy A! I love it.

I like it a lot. I think we may need to have a party at your house so everyone can enjoy it up close

Two things. 1. It's hard to describe my thoughts about you, Nocker. On the one, you can be funny and interesting and you do like a lot of good movies. On the other hand, and I'm sure you'll take pride in this, you are by far the most disturbing person on this board. ---You make comments that are at times very callous towards sensitive people who anyone would know that the comments would really hurt them, AND ---you make light of criminal physical and sexual acts that just about anyone else would be disgusted by, (most recently telling everyone to get over Roman Polanski's raping a youth and THEN even going so far as to applaud him for getting away with it.) And you truly see nothing wrong with any of it. Now you proclaim as your favorite films, the ones with the most brutal rape scenes. Your level of apathy, misogyny and misanthropy is truly at an alarming level. Look I know about all these sick-ass films, because a friend of mine digs em and I can't sit through them, and it worries me that he likes them so much, but he doesn't take the joy that you do, and when the movie's over, it's over. He has a strong moral compass toward things that happen IRL I can only hope that your applause for rape and violence committed in cinema and real life does not provide a clear indicator of you being an unapologetic misogynistic sociopath. 2. Now me personally, I don't like rape. I don't like watching it and I don't like low budget cinemas treatment of it, especially in 70s pre-feminism films. That said, if you're going to include callous, gory, rape-tastic films like Cannibal Holocaust, you may as well make a night of it and watch it's ugly cousin Make Them Die Slowly (aka Cannibal Ferox)

So THAT'S why you ducked out at like 2 in the morning from MANFAST. I was like what happened? She was the life of the party anmd then she vanished. I just assumed it was the overwhelming power of the Bear Jew. It has that affect on men and women alike. No tattoos or body piercings in the past 12 months No sex with a man who had sex with another man since 1977 No STDs No living with a person who has hepatitis No being in jail for more than 36 consecutive hours for the past year No love in an elevator No sleep til Brooklyn No livin on a prayer No knowing the trouble I seen and No fun with my babe No fun BUT, I checked with Cadet Mahoney with the Police Academy and he did let me know that You have the right to remain silent. The right to a court-appointed attorney. You have the right to sing the blues. You have the right to cable TV. You have the right to sublet. You have the right to paint the walls. No loud colors. I hope this helps

If you're feeling poor too, you could split open your veins with me. Then you'll be productive AND you'll have dozens of friends all waiting for a few dollars together with you. You can even do your work while you wait. Oh well, speaking of that, I gotta run. If I dont leave at 4A I'm in danger of not getting a good place in line.

That's actually what I drank all weekend. When someone offered me a Heineken, this is what I told them

Maybe if YOU were rear ended, that would have been manly, as I've always said It takes a real man to take it up the ass (which I suppose disqualifies me, but I digress) But since it was only your car, I already outmanned you in the beginning of the weekend by flying over a ditch like the Genaral Lee at 50mph in a four-banger minivan. And then I redifined the term "rear ending a car" when I slid down the windshield of Tzura and Nightgaunts ride in a loincloth after running up it straight to the roof like it was an escalator. And then Fairy Gothmother outmanned you by downing 5 shots of Jager in 12 seconds before passing out under the stars on her tentless air mattress. Hell, even Junefun, a Mantator (Man Spectator), outmanned you by drinking everyone under the table ALL weekend long. I could mention when Timata dragged Raev over six feet amd then nearly cracked all his ribs OR When I closed a chair on Black Jack, splitting his finger open as blood splashed all over my wife beater and dog tags, in both cases simply in pursuit of winning the most ridiculous game of musical chairs you've ever seen, BUT then I'd just be rubbing it in. ----- But no you sitting in your apt all weekend nursing a bottle of Bud. That's umm, real manly, I bet.

You deserve double the wishes. One for you and one for your car. I hope you get to a computer so you can see all the love we have for you Two Jews wishing Chernobyl a Happy Birthday

KatRN----Thank you for mentioning Chernobyl and Pest. beanternal was sitting there as all the cars were driving off early Sunday afternoon as Chernobyl looked out and quietly said "It's over. That went by so fast" with a wistful look in her eyes. FINAL SPEECH TIME Not to get all schmaltzy but this DGN camping trip (as it was called in year one) was a little birthday present for Chernobyl when it started just two years ago, and NOW it's this big event with competitions, prizes, broken ribs, busted cars, and three dozen DGNers acting completely stupid and forgetting all about all the emo crap they usually bitch about. And it's ALL due to the hard work of Pest and Chernobyl. (that and Chuck Norris of course) Happy Birthday Chernobyl! And thank you for such an amazing weekend! (Now with 95% less drama!!!)* *If you were wondering about the 5%, it was actually Chernobyl's car who nearly gave its life to the trench in the middle of the campsite, potentially grinding Manfast to a screeching halt before it even began on Friday afternoon) But with the guiding hand of Chuck, Charlie Murphy, and the Bear Jew there was no bullshit drama between the DGNers themselves. Put three dozen psuedo-goths in a field with knives, bats, the DNR (who checked in on us more often than worried parents of a newborn baby) and what do you get? Just some ill-advised nakedness and a whole lot of fun It CAN be done. Chernobyl and Pest

She did pick you up and carry you around like you were a pillow. I just regret that she missed my manliest moments so she could see how, for the second year in a row I was able to outman "Black Truck" as one mantestant called him Black Jack was fierce this year.

I don't know where you live but katRN, Slogo, JessikaF*ckinRocks, Spook, TaysteeWonderbunny, and hopefully others are coming over to my house at 8P to eat my meat sticks and share battle scars before we watch True Blood (It's NOT fucking Twilight--Sookie will not be mocked) If you're in the MadFernHazelRoyalBerkTroyClaw area feel free to stop by. But you may want to bring meat and beer in praise of the victorious Bear Jew! Let's face it the Bear Jew was BORN with the right to party, unlike the rest of you who have to fight for it PS: I'm really fucking sore. PPS Despite that, I had some crazy rough Bear Jew sex after I got home and proclaimed once again my abiding love of Chuck Norris. (this time to my regular neighbors--because the Bear Jew cannot be contained by the confines of Brighton)

There was a lesson to be learned this weekend. You can be stronger. You can faster. You can be smarter. But no matter what you do, what you try, how many ribs you break you can NEVER top the Bear Jew MANPION TWO YEARS IN A ROW!

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED

I feel kinda badly. We live nearby and as you werre typing this, we were picking up spinach dip and Italian bread to go with Slogo's delicious sausage balls. They weren't a good as Schweddy Balls, but they were up there. If you haven't I do recommend Dellamorte Dellamore (Cemetery Man) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBVNVhuJiU&NR=1

WOW! There were DGN people everywhere! There was Jinx, beanternal, Phee (who came with us) and ...... OK so fucking no one from DGN (except Saechalyn, a DGN alum who goes to more club events than most of the board) This was Phee last night, btw-- He must've been way cooler than I in high school, since everyone wanted to say hi to him. Then after a moment or two we'd hang out again. That is when I wasn't on the dance floor. It was weird knowing every g-damn song. If you're over 30, or can actually admit to liking music that pre-dated NIN, you should check it out. A couple criticisms-- 1. a little too poppy. I even asked the DJ, "Are you allowed to play industrial here?" Then Worlock came on, 2/3 of the dance floor cleared and it was beanternal, Phee/Jinx going crazy in the middle of the floor. 2. I hate beat matching and mashing -- Joy Division Digital and Pixies Gouge Away sounded badly remixed and I don't dig the whole----it's-one-damn-long-song-thing. But overall it was great! if you can accept Tom Tom Club alongside Revco (possibly the weirdest transition of the night) you'll have a good time. PS They played both Digital and Fade to Grey (mentioned above) and I can vouch for Jinx. He had no ass by the end of the night. The only one who danced more was this big asian guy with a JD Closer shirt on---who ALSO was one of the Pheepies (Phee groupies)