Let me make something clear about me.

[BrassFusion]

I think you may want to re-remember what actually happened.

#1. You wrote a PM to me that not only was insulting to me but to another member.

#2. I responded to it publicly after truncating it.

That would mean that no "ensuing conversation" took place. Frankly the conversation after the altercation became civil.

And tone had nothing to do with it. I can only interpret tone if you're typing in all caps.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If anything I said was insulting to you, it's because you were bitching and moaning about something that didn't concern you anyway. I wasn't trying to get you to "gang up" against another member with me. I wasn't saying anything that I hadn't already said on the thread. You were just being an attention whore through the whole ordeal.

Edit: And you didn't respond to it publicly. You sent it to my PM box AND posted it on a thread. I replied to it as a PM, because I didn't know it was public. I guess I gave you more credit for maturity than you deserve.

[torn asunder]

and this is taking a personal matter public - please, you two, if you want to continue this conversation, take it to pm's, or email, or anything else other than publicly on the board!!

thank you for your anticipated cooperation...

[Steven]

pride.

thats all I see in all of this.

[LuluVox]

pride.

thats all I see in all of this.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

From here it looks like a big helping of pride, sprinkled with ego and just a dash of insecurity. Then baked at 350 degrees for...what, like two weeks?

[JaneDead]

From here it looks like a big helping of pride, sprinkled with ego and just a dash of insecurity. Then baked at 350 degrees for...what, like two weeks?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

and then it is time to bake the cookies!

[Guest Megalicious]

and then it is time to bake the cookies!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NO! NO COOKIES!!! NO MORE COOKIES!!! ... ...

[Blackmail]

vater knows better than to tell someone to [insert sexually explicit statement regarding a mouth and the male anatomy} on the board. i don't care what the reason is, it's clearly against the rules...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can you explain to us what happens when someone breaks the rules? I think we should know the punishment because there has been none in the case of one particular new person (no one get paranoid here) and I know several people have complained to the mods. Yet I still see similar posts, including today.

No, I'm not trying to "start shit" or whatever, I - and others, would like to know the answer. Thank you.

[Guest Megalicious]

and I know several people have complained to the mods.    Yet I still see similar posts, including today. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because Mods have no power other then to tell people to stop and please stick to the rules. The have no authority to make bans or punishments, I personaly think they should at least in the forums they run ... but thats just me .. :doh

I think we need something, a thread. Something like the house of commons that get to adress the Prime Minister in England. God have you ever watched that on CNN ... it's awesome. Damn witty brits =) A thread to adress issues that gen board memebers have, but the whole thing is can we do that without attacking ppl? I mean even I myself have been catching myself actting completly out of character lately ... You guys know Im not "bitter" or "mean". But I myself have had to kick myself in the ass a couple of time and say to myself "you are more adult then that".

[JaneDead]

Because Mods have no power other then to tell people to stop and please stick to the rules. The have no authority to make bans or punishments, I personaly think they should at least in the forums they run ... but thats just me .. :doh

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

thank you for getting that and pointing that out

[Brenda Starrr]

thank you for getting that and pointing that out

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's how I felt the whole time.

[Msterbeau]

So what you're saying is that Troy is the only one with the power to toss people off DGN? With him gone... There outta be a mechanism for doing so.. Not saying it's need now.

[BrassFusion]

Again, it really won't make me uncomfortable to be addressed specifically. I'd rather get it out in the open. I know I disagree with a lot of people and yeah, sometimes I treat them shittily if I narrowly judge that they deserve it.

But honestly, a great deal of the time, misinterpretation is going on and I'm WAY not the only victim of that. I've brushed off enough stuff on here that I should have found offensive, I guess, so I think other people can afford to be a little more resilient here.

[Fierce Critter]

Again, it really won't make me uncomfortable to be addressed specifically. I'd rather get it out in the open. I know I disagree with a lot of people and yeah, sometimes I treat them shittily if I narrowly judge that they deserve it.

But honestly, a great deal of the time, misinterpretation is going on and I'm WAY not the only victim of that. I've brushed off enough stuff on here that I should have found offensive, I guess, so I think other people can afford to be a little more resilient here.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. Allow me. My pleasure.

1) You not only disagree with people, you do so in a manner that is knowingly patronizing, haughty, at times defensive, and often rude.

2) It is NEVER - repeat, N E V E R - o.k. to treat ANYONE "shittily" on DGN. For that matter, EVER, in the practice of proper discourse. And in debate, to stoop to ad hominem attacks like "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" (and don't you DARE argue grammar/semantics with me over whether you're calling the PERSON or the their OPINION stupid - don't underestimate my intelligence, nor insult it) will MAJORLY lose you points, and DEFINITELY respect.

3) "If I judge..." Who the fuck are YOU to come on a board that has existed for well over 5 years, populated by members who have been here twice, three times, TEN times the timespan YOU have and JUDGE ANYONE?

4) If I hear you say you're just being "misinterpreted" one more time, I'm going to heave a brick at something fragile. I can see it if it's one person seemingly reading you that way. Maybe even two. But girlie, you have claimed that with easily a half dozen or more people in your tiny little tenure here, and that excuse is laughable and pathetic.

If you cannot own up to the fact that you are guilty - yes, Y O U A R E G U I L T Y - of major lack of tact and civility and finesse in getting your point across, you only look like a fool.

5) "I've brushed off stuff I should have found offensive" - Ask anyone who has been on this board any length of time. We are BEYOND welcoming here on DGN. We welcome all sorts, all opinions, you name it. We welcome dissent, debate, and the civil sharing of opposing opinion. Remain on the board a decent amount of time, PROVE your mettle, and we MIGHT even put up with some minutely less-than-civil attitudness (yep, just made that up right there). Just ask The Dark. (winks at Mark).

If you have been approached in an offensive manner, girl - consider your ATTITUDE in approaching people and expressing your opinions. Frankly, it stinks. You are a BAD communicator. YOUR bad. Not anyone else's. You have pushed the limits of quite a few people's patience, and considering the way you responded to me when I tried to privately, kindly and gently point out why people might be taking you a certain way, it's no wonder. You've blown the gasket of some of the most patient people on this board.

And before you go patting yourself on your own back for "shaking things up" or "pushing buttons", consider how many friends you make and keep with goals like that in mind.

6) You are NOBODY to expect ANYTHING, including "resiliency" from ANYONE on this board. You are a NEW member. Just a hair past the "guest" list. And you have entered this home in a manner most disrespectful and self-absorbed.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

7) To repeat a point I was trying to make when you shot back a rude response that sealed the deal with me the other night...

From a skit from Saturday Night Live:

A new office employee is being introduced to longtime employees. He basically works himself into conversations by saying things like, "Hey, jerkoff! Gimme some damned coffee!" or "Hey, loser! Your Mama dress you this morning?"

Jibes that might go over fine if this guy was a fellow employee of some tenure. NOT "the new guy" coming in and shooting off insults left and right.

YOU ARE THAT GUY. Deny it all you want. I fully expect you to.

There. YOU have been addressed directly and specifically and openly.

WELCOME THE FUCK TO DGN. ENJOY YOUR STAY.

<--- extends hand be struck with upped "warning level", with pleasure

[Hellion]

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. Allow me. My pleasure.

1) You not only disagree with people, you do so in a manner that is knowingly patronizing, haughty, at times defensive, and often rude.

2) It is NEVER - repeat, N E V E R - o.k. to treat ANYONE "shittily" on DGN. For that matter, EVER, in the practice of proper discourse. And in debate, to stoop to ad hominem attacks like "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" (and don't you DARE argue grammar/semantics with me over whether you're calling the PERSON or the their OPINION stupid - don't underestimate my intelligence, nor insult it) will MAJORLY lose you points, and DEFINITELY respect.

3) "If I judge..." Who the fuck are YOU to come on a board that has existed for well over 5 years, populated by members who have been here twice, three times, TEN times the timespan YOU have and JUDGE ANYONE?

4) If I hear you say you're just being "misinterpreted" one more time, I'm going to heave a brick at something fragile. I can see it if it's one person seemingly reading you that way. Maybe even two. But girlie, you have claimed that with easily a half dozen or more people in your tiny little tenure here, and that excuse is laughable and pathetic.

If you cannot own up to the fact that you are guilty - yes, Y O U  A R E  G U I L T Y - of major lack of tact and civility and finesse in getting your point across, you only look like a fool.

5) "I've brushed off stuff I should have found offensive" - Ask anyone who has been on this board any length of time. We are BEYOND welcoming here on DGN. We welcome all sorts, all opinions, you name it. We welcome dissent, debate, and the civil sharing of opposing opinion. Remain on the board a decent amount of time, PROVE your mettle, and we MIGHT even put up with some minutely less-than-civil attitudness (yep, just made that up right there). Just ask The Dark. (winks at Mark).

If you have been approached in an offensive manner, girl - consider your ATTITUDE in approaching people and expressing your opinions. Frankly, it stinks. You are a BAD communicator. YOUR bad. Not anyone else's. You have pushed the limits of quite a few people's patience, and considering the way you responded to me when I tried to privately, kindly and gently point out why people might be taking you a certain way, it's no wonder. You've blown the gasket of some of the most patient people on this board.

And before you go patting yourself on your own back for "shaking things up" or "pushing buttons", consider how many friends you make and keep with goals like that in mind.

6) You are NOBODY to expect ANYTHING, including "resiliency" from ANYONE on this board. You are a NEW member. Just a hair past the "guest" list. And you have entered this home in a manner most disrespectful and self-absorbed.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

7) To repeat a point I was trying to make when you shot back a rude response that sealed the deal with me the other night...

From a skit from Saturday Night Live:

A new office employee is being introduced to longtime employees. He basically works himself into conversations by saying things like, "Hey, jerkoff! Gimme some damned coffee!" or "Hey, loser! Your Mama dress you this morning?"

Jibes that might go over fine if this guy was a fellow employee of some tenure. NOT "the new guy" coming in and shooting off insults left and right.

YOU ARE THAT GUY. Deny it all you want. I fully expect you to.

There. YOU have been addressed directly and specifically and openly.

WELCOME THE FUCK TO DGN. ENJOY YOUR STAY.

<--- extends hand be struck with upped "warning level", with pleasure

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

DAMN,Now that was a responce!!! :fear

[SanctumNocturna]

Hmmm...

Allow me to introduce myself to the majority of you who don't know me. My name is Ken, and I've actually been patronizing this board (and the EZBoard) for many years now. With a particular type of spice and Houdini-esque skill, I have weaved my way through the fabric and still am of the status "less than known" to many of you. This is not an uncommon thing for me...and given the nature of my social history, it's not a surprise.

Obviously the situation has far exceeded rationality...it's message board drama at a fever pitch...something that I'm very used to and something I've observed quite a few times in my tenure here. Observe is the key word in this blossoming thread...

It's turtles all the way down...

I present the following exhibits, from the post which most of you will obviously read before coming to my humble little corner of the post...and I have a few things to say after what I felt while reading it.

3) "If I judge..." Who the fuck are YOU to come on a board that has existed for well over 5 years, populated by members who have been here twice, three times, TEN times the timespan YOU have and JUDGE ANYONE?

6) You are NOBODY to expect ANYTHING, including "resiliency" from ANYONE on this board. You are a NEW member. Just a hair past the "guest" list. And you have entered this home in a manner most disrespectful and self-absorbed.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

Ask anyone who has been on this board any length of time. We are BEYOND welcoming here on DGN. We welcome all sorts, all opinions, you name it. We welcome dissent, debate, and the civil sharing of opposing opinion. Remain on the board a decent amount of time, PROVE your mettle, and we MIGHT even put up with some minutely less-than-civil attitudness (yep, just made that up right there).

The discussion is quite heated. Emotion and frustration are involved. Some are trying to stifle by presenting the rules, some are continuing out of pride (as mentioned previously), and some are doing what most people tend to do on an internet discussion forum...idling or being random or whatever... I prefer to do quite a bit of both, though I've not done much of any in the case of this particular board.

That being said, I'd like to respond to these phrases in that...let us not forget, and let us not become self-important about the purpose of this electronic forum, and what it represents. Granted, DGN has more people that speak English rather than l33t speak, it has more people that choose not to post bad ASCII textings of nude women 25 times in an effort to sabotage bandwidth, it is a board that has a novelty that so many message boards claim to have...the novelty that is some form of control over an otherwise torrential downpour of a hurricane that is the drama and idiocy of this beloved internet we all share.

Some of us have moved on to become friends in real life. Some of us meet up every week. Some of us have never met each other. In the time I've been on DGN, I've had the pride of meeting DEFINITELY less than ten of you on one particular occasion...and sporadically communicate with anyone but one person on any type of regular basis.

I am not speaking from the drama that's occurred. I've casually read, just as I do with many topics here, the source of the drama. Let it be known that I'm on either side, which may very well set me against those of the tone that you're "with us or against us," whether anyone cares to admit it or not.

What's really obnoxious to me is not necessarily the fact that Brass came in and ruffled some cages, said some things that people don't like, or that she pissed FC or anyone off...

What's really obnoxious to me is stuff like these FC quotes...among some of the other things I've read. And in reading this forum and even donating to the forum when I did (and some of you might consider that to be nothing, and to you, I tip my hat as well if that's how you feel)... Sarcasm and smarminess exists in many forms in many venues. David Spade has made his living, along with about ten million others, in said art. The internet is the haven for the smarmy man or woman who has no other place to voice their frustrations or make their snappy comebacks. That is how I see it, and some of you may not agree. But I think some could understand that I'm not coming from an emotional place with this one...and we're in a GOTHIC message forum.

The "gothic community" can hardly ever agree on anything. What music is really gothic? What clothing is really gothic? Who's a poseur and who's authentic? What gets you the goth stripes? Is what we do really dancing? The attitude that Brass has illustrated, which many of you may not agree with, is part of what I've seen countless times in the community from many who wear their "stripes" per se.

Thusly, I would like to respond to the questions and statements posed by FC. This is not a blatant attack on her or anyone else...it's just what stood out to me about the chaos that was this thread:

3) "If I judge..." Who the fuck are YOU to come on a board that has existed for well over 5 years, populated by members who have been here twice, three times, TEN times the timespan YOU have and JUDGE ANYONE?

BrassFusion is now a member of a public message forum that is SUPPORTED but not RESTRICTED by anyone. It is a MODERATED forum, in which obviously there are rules, and obviously there are "consequences" to those rules. I agree with what Blackmail said in an earlier thread...but until something is enforced, laid down, or dealt with...then it's a public message board forum of which she happens to be a member. Continuing:

6) You are NOBODY to expect ANYTHING, including "resiliency" from ANYONE on this board. You are a NEW member. Just a hair past the "guest" list. And you have entered this home in a manner most disrespectful and self-absorbed.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

and then...

Ask anyone who has been on this board any length of time. We are BEYOND welcoming here on DGN. We welcome all sorts, all opinions, you name it. We welcome dissent, debate, and the civil sharing of opposing opinion. Remain on the board a decent amount of time, PROVE your mettle, and we MIGHT even put up with some minutely less-than-civil attitudness (yep, just made that up right there).

If this is to be a forum built on conscientiousness, built on a solid foundation of being a "community" and being understanding...then making contradictory statements regarding how people are "welcoming" and yet no "new member just a hair past the guest list should expect anything" isn't going to solve the problem. If you're going to ban her, then ban her. If you're going to restrict the community, then do it and worry not about having to suffer through those who are more smarmy or more likely to make a "shitty" comment rather than a "sarcastic comment that is deemed appropriate by those who are more in control/senior members."

Furthermore, just in the example above...let's say I'm a new member or an observer. I don't know who "The Dark" is. And though many might say "You should scroll through the archives to get an idea..." I would say that I'm a new member to a message board and thusly I have no idea who anyone is regardless of their post count.

I walk into a thread and I see Dark being sarcastic. Me, I tend to be more like that and observe that it is acceptable with him, and would then assume naturally that it'd be okay with me. I think this is the "misrepresentation" that Brass represents. This is the misrepresentation that has created "rights," "wrongs," and made whomever (not just Brass but BOTH SIDES) the target of aggression.

Frankly, I don't have to prove my mettle to anyone to say what I feel. You don't respect it? That's fine with me, but I expect that I'm posting on a public message board and that anyone that wants to read it and say what they want can do whatever. At the end of the day, it's all gravy. That being said, whoever they want can think WHATEVER they want about WHOMEVER. Whether it's God him/herself...or Phee, or Marblez, or FC, or WHOEVER.

The point is to be courteous, the point isn't "our rules mean you can't think this way." I'm all about being cordial, but I'm all about seeing how she could be misinterpreted. Then the attacks begin, the bullshit starts, and she feels obligated to defend herself...which she has done. Again, people don't like the way things are said....it escalates...and we're in the same boat.

So, the bottom line of this massive and ridiculous gesture that I've just made? What's the point of all of this? To piss everyone off? To take FCs side? To take Brass' side? To escalate the drama?

I am saying what I am saying because I can say it. I'm saying what I'm saying because I can see both sides. I've been on Brass' side before because I prefer to be obnoxious a lot of the time, and frankly, most of the time I don't care what people think about it. I don't have to impress you to post here, and I certainly don't have to be liked by anyone, and if the moderators delete my posts or ban me then that is the "penalty." If not, keep in mind that it's still a public forum. You want a forum where the people have to like you to be involved? Make that a rule, sling up the password, and see it easily done.

And I'm not the type to say "calm down" and "look at the rules" and all that to get my point across. EVERYONE, especially those members who are supposed to be the "senior, welcoming members" need to be a little less heightened. This is nothing that none of us haven't seen before on different forums and ESPECIALLY here on DGN despite that friendly Rule #1 (and yes, I've observed Rule #1 most of the time, rally flag).

My name is Ken. Carry on and I'll keep lurking, or think that I'm an asshole for saying anything about the issue when it's really "none of my business" or "I couldn't possibly understand."

Reality is, everyone's wrong right now.

[Blackmail]

The only thing is, Brassfusion's posts really aren't open to interpretation.

She said I "sounded like a racist" in the first post I ever read from her. I was talking about being opposed to illegal immigration. Not that I need to defend myself but I was in love with a Mexican girl and her family loved me. Anyone who knows me knows I do not dislike Mexican people.

She said a post by Fever Blister (did I get that right?) was the stupidest thing she had ever read.

She has made several personal attacks on the Dark, I'll go and quote them if requested, but they were personal attacks not left open to interpretation.

This isn't about sarcasm (which I like), This isn't about having different opinions, this is about a person new to the board going around and calling people stupid and racist and various other things. When approached privately (and I've been forwarded the conversations from several people) she is even more nasty.

Like FC said, if it was just one person, or even two or three people involved in flame wars with this person it would be one thing, but this person has several fueds going now, all in a 2 week span.

A moderator recently said my complaints about her were "pot calling the kettle black" but the reality is that I've never called anyone stupid or a racist and I've got "fueds" going with 3 people spread out over my 5 years on DGN. Other mods and administrators have defended my problem posts as "open to interpretation" (though i'll admit to crossing the line a few times - but most people here have) but there is no doubt that Brassfusion has been confrontational.

People can only be pushed so far. People like FC and Vater are usually rational and collected, until something is done about Brassfusion's style you can expect to see more posts like this from them and others.

Notice I did not attack brassfusion, I am talking about her style of posting and namecalling. She is very bright and can add alot to the politics issues. I just hope she changes her tact.

But I'm not a mod. I'm not an administrator.

I also believe the regular posters of DGN should have more autonomy in these issues and moderators should be accountable for their actions but that's another story altogether.

[BrassFusion]

Notice I did not attack brassfusion, I am talking about her style of posting and namecalling. She is very bright and can add alot to the politics issues. I just hope she changes her tact.

Wow, I wasn't really going to interject anything here, but... don't you remember about how you tried to get me banned?

[mallochai]

If you're talking about me, you can SAY BrassFusion. That way other people won't get paranoid.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But it's so much more fun for me when they do.

[Soulrev]

Personally I think this whole board is going to shit fast. There's been way too many drama issues like this lately. I don't know if it's some of the people that have accumulated here in the past year or if it's lack of moderation or what but the entire mood on DGN in the past few months has been steadily getting more and more sour.

[Brenda Starrr]

Christ....

Do I need to come back as the "warm and fuzzy mod?"

[Steven]

Again, it really won't make me uncomfortable to be addressed specifically. I'd rather get it out in the open. I know I disagree with a lot of people and yeah, sometimes I treat them shittily if I narrowly judge that they deserve it.

But honestly, a great deal of the time, misinterpretation is going on and I'm WAY not the only victim of that. I've brushed off enough stuff on here that I should have found offensive, I guess, so I think other people can afford to be a little more resilient here.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ah but the newbie should also invest themselves into learning how the culture of a community works.......and then determine if that community has enough value to said newbie to offer up some degree of respect, ie: know your audience.

I understand your point about resiliency. Honestly. But that resiliency should develop as a biproduct of having built some solid relationships over time. Nobody can just come in from the outside and expect changes to be made around them, despite how simple it may seem to you, it "simply" does not work. A reveiw of quite a few threads makes that perfectly clear.

And so if your particular style of approach and and expectation is not working thus far, at some point you may want to consider why your using the same approach over and over when it's not yeilding good results. For such a logical person that you seem to be, that makes no sense to me, and I'm not being an ass, it's just something I've pondered about you.

You've got a good head on your shoulders Brass and you know how to dig deep.

But you'll never be able to remove the human element out of a group of people - it just refuses to go away. Doesent manner how brainy you are - if your losing them at jump, you've acheived very little if anything. And obviously you want something. We all do.

Finnally..... your here. You came here on your own power.

You desire....to be here. With us. You desire.......to receive a certain degree of acknowledgement, and to have your opinions considered. thats human, were all like that.

So work with what you've got here.

Take some time to consider another point of view, as opposed to conquering it. I for one will suppoort you publically if you allow a little humility to interact with what you've got to share.

Steven

[Steven]

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. Allow me. My pleasure.

1) You not only disagree with people, you do so in a manner that is knowingly patronizing, haughty, at times defensive, and often rude.

2) It is NEVER - repeat, N E V E R - o.k. to treat ANYONE "shittily" on DGN. For that matter, EVER, in the practice of proper discourse. And in debate, to stoop to ad hominem attacks like "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard" (and don't you DARE argue grammar/semantics with me over whether you're calling the PERSON or the their OPINION stupid - don't underestimate my intelligence, nor insult it) will MAJORLY lose you points, and DEFINITELY respect.

3) "If I judge..." Who the fuck are YOU to come on a board that has existed for well over 5 years, populated by members who have been here twice, three times, TEN times the timespan YOU have and JUDGE ANYONE?

4) If I hear you say you're just being "misinterpreted" one more time, I'm going to heave a brick at something fragile. I can see it if it's one person seemingly reading you that way. Maybe even two. But girlie, you have claimed that with easily a half dozen or more people in your tiny little tenure here, and that excuse is laughable and pathetic.

If you cannot own up to the fact that you are guilty - yes, Y O U  A R E  G U I L T Y - of major lack of tact and civility and finesse in getting your point across, you only look like a fool.

5) "I've brushed off stuff I should have found offensive" - Ask anyone who has been on this board any length of time. We are BEYOND welcoming here on DGN. We welcome all sorts, all opinions, you name it. We welcome dissent, debate, and the civil sharing of opposing opinion. Remain on the board a decent amount of time, PROVE your mettle, and we MIGHT even put up with some minutely less-than-civil attitudness (yep, just made that up right there). Just ask The Dark. (winks at Mark).

If you have been approached in an offensive manner, girl - consider your ATTITUDE in approaching people and expressing your opinions. Frankly, it stinks. You are a BAD communicator. YOUR bad. Not anyone else's. You have pushed the limits of quite a few people's patience, and considering the way you responded to me when I tried to privately, kindly and gently point out why people might be taking you a certain way, it's no wonder. You've blown the gasket of some of the most patient people on this board.

And before you go patting yourself on your own back for "shaking things up" or "pushing buttons", consider how many friends you make and keep with goals like that in mind.

6) You are NOBODY to expect ANYTHING, including "resiliency" from ANYONE on this board. You are a NEW member. Just a hair past the "guest" list. And you have entered this home in a manner most disrespectful and self-absorbed.

GET OVER YOURSELF.

7) To repeat a point I was trying to make when you shot back a rude response that sealed the deal with me the other night...

From a skit from Saturday Night Live:

A new office employee is being introduced to longtime employees. He basically works himself into conversations by saying things like, "Hey, jerkoff! Gimme some damned coffee!" or "Hey, loser! Your Mama dress you this morning?"

Jibes that might go over fine if this guy was a fellow employee of some tenure. NOT "the new guy" coming in and shooting off insults left and right.

YOU ARE THAT GUY. Deny it all you want. I fully expect you to.

There. YOU have been addressed directly and specifically and openly.

WELCOME THE FUCK TO DGN. ENJOY YOUR STAY.

<--- extends hand be struck with upped "warning level", with pleasure

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I do love me some Critter. Yes I do.

[Steven]

Christ....

Do I need to come back as the "warm and fuzzy mod?"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

God no. I like your hot and sexy Mod much better.....

[JaneDead]

in all the time i have been here i have never seen so many people exhibit so much dislike for a member. a new member at that.

i am not on a side here at all, and won't be. it just shocks me it is going this far with someone i see as FAR LESS harmful than i have seen others be in the past. if we are going to label her then i just "label" her as any other poster who "rubs you the wrong way" and i don't mean "you" as in everyone i mean "you" as in the people complaining.

i don't know why people have not learned yet to just ignore on here what they do not like. *I* do it ALL the time and *I* am a mod. if i can do it, why can't everyone else?

also to point out again, since many think this is the fault of the "mods";

WE are very LIMITED in what WE can DO. any real major problems have to be dealt with by a senior and even then only TROY is the one who makes the major decisions for this board. as you have all noticed troy has been m.i.a. for quite some time and there is nothing we can do about that either.

you also might notice that our seniors, ginny and jarod, are very FAIR people and they are not going to go around just banning people to make 1,5,12 people happy. it really doesn't work that way. it never has.

you are not going to like everyone on here. it is a message board. you choose what you read. honestly... if you don't like it DON'T READ IT.

and again... we do have that nifty little "ignore" feature as well.

[Msterbeau]

in all the time i have been here i have never seen so many people exhibit so much dislike for a member. a new member at that.

i am not on a side here at all, and won't be. it just shocks me it is going this far with someone i see as FAR LESS harmful than i have seen others be in the past. if we are going to label her then i just "label" her as any other poster who "rubs you the wrong way" and i don't mean "you" as in everyone i mean "you" as in the people complaining.

i don't know why people have not learned yet to just ignore on here what they do not like. *I* do it ALL the time and *I* am a mod. if i can do it, why can't everyone else?

also to point out again, since many think this is the fault of the "mods";

WE are very LIMITED in what WE can DO. any real major problems have to be dealt with by a senior and even then only TROY is the one who makes the major decisions for this board. as you have all noticed troy has been m.i.a. for quite some time and there is nothing we can do about that either.

you also might notice that our seniors, ginny and jarod, are very FAIR people and they are not going to go around just banning people to make 1,5,12 people happy. it really doesn't work that way. it never has.

you are not going to like everyone on here. it is a message board. you choose what you read. honestly... if you don't like it DON'T READ IT.

and again... we do have that nifty little "ignore" feature as well.

I'd just like to point out that there should be a distinction made between "differences of opinion (or personality)" and breaking the rules of the board.