Girls and Boys..

[Msterbeau]

Michigan's legislature is working on a provision to allow for same sex public schools.

I don't have time to provide links or my own thoughts, but I wanted to get a discussion going while I remembered it.

Have at... I'll join later.

[phee]

Michigan's legislature is working on a provision to allow for same sex public schools.

I don't have time to provide links or my own thoughts, but I wanted to get a discussion going while I remembered it.

Have at...  I'll join later.

Wait... same sex public schools? I thought all those people in highschool I was trying to have sex with were of the opposite sex.... but now you are saying they were not?

(Aren't public schools same sex???)

[Msterbeau]

Wait... same sex public schools? I thought all those people in highschool I was trying to have sex with were of the opposite sex.... but now you are saying they were not?

(Aren't public schools same sex???)

Same sex.. as in: All girls or all boys schools nincompoop!

:doh

[BrassFusion]

That seems kind of like a step backwards to me. One immediate negative effect it could have (that is already present in same-sex private schools) is on the music program. Teenage girls are too insecure to play drums and brass and teenage boys are too insecure to play clarinet and flute. And... geez... isn't it important for kids to learn how to interact with the opposite sex when they're that age?

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NOT LIKE THAT, YOU PERVOS!!!!!!!

[JaneDead]

i don't necessarily agree with it.

though ... i have gone to catholic school, all girl catholic school and public school. my favorite happened to the be the all girl catholic school though i dont' know why... i had nothing to do with it being catholic or all girl.

i agree with what brass fusion said- about the music and the interaction with people of the opposite sex. why seperate them?

[Gauge]

I grew up in a private school where pretty much everything was seperated by gender. . .so i just learned to like girls :laughing :woot:

[kellygrrrrrl]

Because they aren't concentrating on books.

It's a fashion show, a popularity contest, and so on.

When you take the opposite sex out of the equasion, there is no reason for these things to happen or distract the kids from doing the best that they can.

They are not being deprived of interaction. That is why they have dances and all that jazz.

Kids seem more impressionable these days.

Even from a young age, I remember being distracted by the opposite sex.

I think they would be more inclined to learn if they were same sex schools.

[Msterbeau]

Yeah... I'm torn on it too. I think it might be fine to put em together when they're younger but maybe allow parents the option in high-school. It might help cut down on certain distractions. On the other hand... you miss the diversity of the opposite sex's point of view at a critical time in a young adult's development.

I'm OK with it as an option... wondering if anyone has ever done a study on the impact of going to 1 gender school....???

[The_Dark]

There have been studys that show that boys and girls learn differently than each other. Girls learn "better" in a group situation. Where they are allowed to work together. Boys on the other hand work better alone.. in the more traditional style of teaching.

As much as it's frowned upon to point out.. Boys and Girls a different in many ways. I am all for seperating the schools to some degree. They still have to mingle.. to work out social skills... but the classes themselves need to be seperate and tailerd to the sex of the kids in them.

[Gauge]

when those tailerd kids get out into the real world tho their going to walk into a job with both men and women and the second they ask to be able to do their job differently or have them shown how to do it in groups because of their gender their boss is gonna laugh in their face. this is one world with many diverse people in it. not all little girls want to work in groups and learn how to be little homemakers, not all little boys want to play with trucks and be alone. if children are seperated from each other for whatever reasons its only going to backfire. . .whats next? black people learn differently than white? pagan children learn different than christian?!?!? pretty soon were going to have hundreds of schools all different and the only interaction that children will have is with people who look, act, and think exactly like them.

goodbye diversity hello republicans

:whistling =)

[Homicidalheathen]

That seems kind of like a step backwards to me. One immediate negative effect it could have (that is already present in same-sex private schools) is on the music program. Teenage girls are too insecure to play drums and brass and teenage boys are too insecure to play clarinet and flute. And... geez... isn't it important for kids to learn how to interact with the opposite sex when they're that age?

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NOT LIKE THAT, YOU PERVOS!!!!!!!

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I am with you on this one totally.

[BrassFusion]

Because they aren't concentrating on books. 

It's a fashion show, a popularity contest, and so on.

When you take the opposite sex out of the equasion, there is no reason for these things to happen or distract the kids from doing the best that they can.

They are not being deprived of interaction.  That is why they have dances and all that jazz.

Kids seem more impressionable these days. 

Even from a young age, I remember being distracted by the opposite sex. 

I think they would be more inclined to learn if they were same sex schools.

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I can definitely agree that there's less of a distraction, but I don't think it's worth the cost. And there would still be problems of cliques and popularity, particularly around girls.

There have been studys that show that boys and girls learn differently than each other. Girls learn "better" in a group situation. Where they are allowed to work together. Boys on the other hand work better alone.. in the more traditional style of teaching.

As much as it's frowned upon to point out.. Boys and Girls a different in many ways. I am all for seperating the schools to some degree. They still have to mingle.. to work out social skills... but the classes themselves need to be seperate and tailerd to the sex of the kids in them.

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True in many cases. I was always "boyish" myself, much better at working alone.

[JaneDead]

It might help cut down on certain distractions.  On the other hand...  you miss the diversity of the opposite sex's point of view at a critical time in a young adult's development. 

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i agree

[JaneDead]

Because they aren't concentrating on books. 

It's a fashion show, a popularity contest, and so on.

When you take the opposite sex out of the equasion, there is no reason for these things to happen or distract the kids from doing the best that they can.

They are not being deprived of interaction.  That is why they have dances and all that jazz.

Kids seem more impressionable these days. 

Even from a young age, I remember being distracted by the opposite sex. 

I think they would be more inclined to learn if they were same sex schools.

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but kids can be distracted in so many other ways not just by other girls/boys.

as far as fashion/popularity - i would be much for 'dress code' in public schools rather than not having boys and girls together.

dances and stuff don't really give you that much interaction with the boys when you go to an all girl school. believe me, i know.

as i said i did like my all girl school the best but it had nothing to do with it being all girls. but i never felt i learned more/better or was less distracted with boys not being there. i was never distracted by boys being around me either when i went to school with boys. the only time boys distracted me is when they were being stupid/doing stupid boy things. then i was just annoyed and thought "how immature".

i think at a young age, it could do more harm than good. i don't see any reason 10 year old boys should not be around 10 year old girls in school. i think it teaches them more about being segregated than anything else. and then why when they reach 9th grade should they all of the sudden be seperated too? many of the girls i knew in the all girl school HATED that there were no boys there. and so in turn hated school and every day could not wait to leave. i am surprised i didn't hate it too as i like having male friends much more than female friends.

[Msterbeau]

There have been studys that show that boys and girls learn differently than each other. Girls learn "better" in a group situation. Where they are allowed to work together. Boys on the other hand work better alone.. in the more traditional style of teaching.

As much as it's frowned upon to point out.. Boys and Girls a different in many ways. I am all for seperating the schools to some degree. They still have to mingle.. to work out social skills... but the classes themselves need to be seperate and tailerd to the sex of the kids in them.

While acknowledging that as a general rule, boys and girls ARE different and learn differently, I've read and observed that many children seem to thrive in different kinds of environments and learn better in particular ways. I wish there were a realistic way to tailor learning to individual needs so that every kid learned in a way that suits the way their brains work.

[The_Dark]

People who know a lot more about this kind of thing than any of us have done studies... They all support seperation. The best model anyone has come up with has the kids going to the same schools but about 3/4 of the classes are seperated along the sex line. The boys are taught in the traditional style... working alone for most things... the girls are allowed to work in small groups of 3-5 girls.

Boys and Girls think/learn differently. A good example of that is mechanical stuff...

Grab 4-5 kids you know.. try to get an even number of girls and boys... now have them draw a bicycle from memory. When everyone is done.. compare the drawings to a real bike. You going to be surprised with what you see.

[Gauge]

People who know a lot more about this kind of thing than any of us have done studies... They all support seperation. The best model anyone has come up with has the kids going to the same schools but about 3/4 of the classes are seperated along the sex line. The boys are taught in the traditional style... working alone for most things... the girls are allowed to work in small groups of 3-5 girls.

Boys and Girls think/learn differently. A good example of that is mechanical stuff...

Grab 4-5 kids you know.. try to get an even number of girls and boys... now have them draw a bicycle from memory. When everyone is done.. compare the drawings to a real bike. You going to be surprised with what you see.

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but what about the girls who have grown up around a bunch of older brothers, and are huge tomboys, or boys whove grown up with a mother and a bunch of sisters. are you saying that all girls and all boys act in the exact same way? that they all fall into that steriotype that a bunch of "people" who have done "studies" try to pass of as truth for everyone? :confused

[The_Dark]

No.. but the chemical processes that dictate how we think are different for boys and girls. The Enviroment they are raised in does have some small effact.. but it doesn't change the way your wired.

[JaneDead]

While acknowledging that  as a general rule, boys and girls ARE different and learn differently, I've read and observed that many children seem to thrive in different kinds of environments and learn better in particular ways.  I wish there were a realistic way to tailor learning to individual needs so that every kid learned in a way that suits the way their brains work.

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actually, montessori is very good for this

[BrassFusion]

While acknowledging that  as a general rule, boys and girls ARE different and learn differently, I've read and observed that many children seem to thrive in different kinds of environments and learn better in particular ways.  I wish there were a realistic way to tailor learning to individual needs so that every kid learned in a way that suits the way their brains work.

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Smaller class sizes.

People who know a lot more about this kind of thing than any of us have done studies... They all support seperation. The best model anyone has come up with has the kids going to the same schools but about 3/4 of the classes are seperated along the sex line. The boys are taught in the traditional style... working alone for most things... the girls are allowed to work in small groups of 3-5 girls.

Boys and Girls think/learn differently. A good example of that is mechanical stuff...

Grab 4-5 kids you know.. try to get an even number of girls and boys... now have them draw a bicycle from memory. When everyone is done.. compare the drawings to a real bike. You going to be surprised with what you see.

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While true in most cases, it's still a generalization that all girls are good at communicating and emoting and working in groups and that boys are good at maths and sciences. And trying to shoehorn the odd ducks (like me) into a classroom situation that doesn't fit their abilities is a bad, bad idea. It's better to have the kids work in a variety of formats- solo and in groups, boys and girls together.

[torn asunder]

i just don't like the precedence it sets - segregation. the world needs to draw closer together, not be separated... =(

[Guest Megalicious]

i just don't like the precedence it sets - segregation. the world needs to draw closer together, not be separated... =(

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Damnit Torn, you hippie! :innocent JK

[torn asunder]

Damnit Torn, you hippie!    :innocent JK

make love, not war, man!!

of course, i also think that parents shouldn't be relying solely on schools to educatre their kids. it's a great start, but education should really start (and continue) at home...

[The_Dark]

though I do agree that the world needs to draw closer... I also see the need to work on our strengths as well as work on fixing our weaknesses.

How we educate the next generation is one of the most important things we do. Don't we owe it to them to give them the best education we can? If the science shows that seperating the boys and girls during certain types of classes makes for a better education.. we should do it and tell the people that don't like it to go read a damn book.

and hey.. anyone try my experiment above?

[Msterbeau]

and hey.. anyone try my experiment above?

I'd be interested in seeing this tried out if data suggests that it might help for the majority of kids. The other thing to figure out is how to work with kids who learn best outside of the "normal" school approach without lumping them together as "special ed"... which does shit for their self-esteem. Hmmm...