Isreal Bombing Lebinon

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Thoughts? reactions?

Is the U.S. reacting correctly?

(I really don't have an opinion yet...what do you all think?)

[phee]

And it would have helped If I could spell Lebanon right.... *doh*

[Paper Hearts]

I kind of feel the same way about this that I feel about anything I see on the news from the middle east--just wow.

[Blackmail]

I am not sure why Israel is bombing Lebanon when it is Hezbollah (a terrorist group that has seats in lebanon's government but not directly representative of the government) that kidnapped the Israeli soldiers.

[Steven]

basically - you doint fuck with Israel and not expect to take a long hard retaliatory one in the butt, which I kind of respect. America can't really do much about it anyway - Israel will do what it does and were sort of busy right now....

but who knows whats right and wrong and in between in this sector of the world?....it's always been a hotbed for collision. It does not suprise me that biblically Israel seems to be the center of all pivtol conflict globally......

[Blackmail]

basically - you doint fuck with Israel and not expect to take a long hard retaliatory one in the butt, which I kind of respect. 

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If anything, I think Israel has shown great restraint in dealing with the Palestinians. If (random example) Windsor was sending several terrorist a month into Michigan and blowing up grocery stores with innocent people in it, I think Michigan eventually would end it by obliterating Windsor altogether.

[Hellion]

:devil I think shit just hit the fan. :fear

[Blackmail]

:devil I think shit just hit the fan. :fear

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Yes. This is because Olmert is alot more aggressive and more impatient than Ariel Sharon was. It's not just Lebanon, it's anyone who's messed with them recently, they've been bombing Hammas too. They've even been talking about hitting Iran.

Many of the Middle Eastern Countries tried to gang up on Israel in 1948 and it didn't work out too well for the combined middle east. Since then, the IDF has become much stronger and has the best Army in the world - better than ours, it's just smaller - and massive advantages in Technology. I think Olmert and the Likuud pary (I know I spelled that wrong) are fed up with Syria, Iran, The Palestinians, Hammas and Hezbollah.

This could just be the start.

One good thing out of the many bad things about the war in Iraq is that Iraq is out of the picture now as far as Israel goes.

[Paper Hearts]

This goes back way further than the 1960s...actually. Jeruselem is a nice piece of property and I'm not inclined to believe that Isreal deserves to control it any more than the Palestinians. And on the other hand, they obviously can't live together, for the most part. Does Hezbolah have a right to bomb Jeruselem any more than Isreal has a right to control it? Isreal didn't aquire Jeruselm by trading bubblegum cards, the took it by force.

Is the United States responding appropriately, will the United States respond appropriately--I believe our government will act in what they feel is their best interest...which is not necessarily our best interest or appropriate by either side.

Overall, I feel like both sides should just fuck off. I'm sick of hearing about it.

[Head Wreck]

basically - you doint fuck with Israel and not expect to take a long hard retaliatory one in the butt, which I kind of respect.  America can't really do much about it anyway - Israel will do what it does and were sort of busy right now....

but who knows whats right and wrong and in between in this sector of the world?....it's always been a hotbed for collision.  It does not suprise me that biblically Israel seems to be the center of all pivtol conflict globally......

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isreal has a huge arsenal of american, british and idreali weapons and a very highly trained agressive force. they subscribe to the blitzkrieg methodology and are not to fussy on thier targets. a highly professional, highly equiped army with very unprofessional way of dealing with things. tact comes in the form of a tactical nuke in thier dictionaries. and after seeing what thier dealing with, who blames them but theres a point where you can stoop too low

If anything, I think Israel has shown great restraint in dealing with the Palestinians.  If (random example) Windsor was sending several terrorist a month into Michigan and blowing up grocery stores with innocent people in it, I think Michigan eventually would end it by obliterating Windsor altogether.

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i think not. even aid workers have been shot in the streets with children on a guards whim. and in a recent case where children were throwing stones at an isreali humvee they grabbed one of the kids and cable tied him to the bonnet of the humvee as a human shield.

:devil I think shit just hit the fan. :fear

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yes. so do i. but i belive britan and america will just pour more weapons in the area rather than restricing munitions (its like giving bikering siblings nailed bats to sort out an argument).

i'm just more worried on the repocussions on coalition forces in the region tbh. brttan may be nearing another stand off with argentina again (argentina havent resubmitted thier trade agreements that were wroght after the falklands war as a sort of agreement not to go for the falklands again)

[Paper Hearts]

i'm just more worried on the repocussions on coalition forces in the region tbh.  brttan may be nearing another stand off with argentina again (argentina havent resubmitted thier trade agreements that were wroght after the falklands war as a sort of agreement not to go for the falklands again)

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Not to mention that Catholics will soon out number Protestants in Ulster again, or Northern Ireland, if you like.

Man, these religeous folks really wrote the book on peace and harmony, didn't they?

Great post by the way.

[Msterbeau]

Man, these religeous folks really wrote the book on peace and harmony, didn't they?

Did I just hear the sound of a can of worms opening? :whistling

Not that I disagree.

I'm just sick of the culture of violence that currently infects the whole middle east. Their are far too many people for whom vengence, in the name of god, is the only tool they can think of to solve the current dilemna.

[Head Wreck]

then join me brothers, and don the cross of head wreck, and we shall carve a future of peace

WRECK WILLS IT!

[phee]

then join me brothers, and don the cross of head wreck, and we shall carve a future of peace

WRECK WILLS IT!

*Phee begins persecuting others*

[Paper Hearts]

Damn it, I so wanted to talk Northern Ireland.

[phee]

I think we are jacking... my own thread?

[Paper Hearts]

Let's make a Northern Ireland thread so we can persecute HW and then jack that one back to the Isreal thing where we eventually make up with him and THEN join his cause.

[Head Wreck]

northern ireland... that place is full of trouble and has been a can of worms since oliver cromwell decided under political pressure (ahem, publications saying that the catholics were torturing the protestants, so wanted to win an election) invaded. place has just been trouble ever snce.

kind of reminds me of the current blair/bush and the middle east issue. even with its religeos context (both blair and bush have used the "god told me to" card)

[phee]

God told me once... it was great!

[Paper Hearts]

northern ireland...  that place is full of trouble and has been a can of worms since oliver cromwell decided under political pressure (ahem, publications saying that the catholics were torturing the protestants, so wanted to win an election) invaded.  place has just been trouble ever snce.

kind of reminds me of the current blair/bush and the middle east issue.  even with its religeos context (both blair and bush have used the "god told me to" card)

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To be fair to Oliver Cromwell, the Irish did have a history of not letting protestants vote and things like that...and then there was the fact that a majority in the region wanted to be a part of GB. But it'll be hard for GB to make the same arguements nowadays...and not when Irish again out number British immigrants in Ulster...and especially not if there's a popular movement to rejoin Ireland. I just can't imagine what the arguement would be. It's the only reason the IRA/Sien Fien has backed off and laid down (a few of) their weapons, they know it's coming.

Anyway, I didn't properly get to string you up and I'm kind of disapointed. Quit occupying Ulster, damn you!

[Blackmail]

isreal has a huge arsenal of american, british and idreali weapons and a very highly trained agressive force.  they subscribe to the blitzkrieg methodology and are not to fussy on thier targets.  a highly professional, highly equiped army with very unprofessional way of dealing with things.  tact comes in the form of a tactical nuke in thier dictionaries. and after seeing what thier dealing with, who blames them but theres a point where you can stoop too low

i think not.  even aid workers have been shot in the streets with children on a guards whim. and in a recent case where children were throwing stones at an isreali humvee they grabbed one of the kids and cable tied him to the bonnet of the humvee as a human shield.

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do you have any links to support this actually happened?

[Blackmail]

This goes back way further than the 1960s...actually. Jeruselem is a nice piece of property and I'm not inclined to believe that Isreal deserves to control it any more than the Palestinians. And on the other hand, they obviously can't live together, for the most part. Does Hezbolah have a right to bomb Jeruselem any more than Isreal has a right to control it? Isreal didn't aquire Jeruselm by trading bubblegum cards, the took it by force.

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how do you figure they took it by force? And when are you talking about - 1948?

[Paper Hearts]

do you have any links to support this actually happened?

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Ted, this thread is about Northern Ireland now. Okay, carry on.

[Paper Hearts]

how do you figure they took it by force?  And when are you talking about - 1948?

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I don't know the year, I'd have to look it up, but there was a war. When was the last Entafada? Or wait, they were calling something an Entafada a few years ago, but there was one in the 60s, no?

[Blackmail]

I don't know the year, I'd have to look it up, but there was a war. When was the last Entafada? Or wait, they were calling something an Entafada a few years ago, but there was one in the 60s, no?

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There have always been Jews in the area and the mass pilgrimage to Israel started in the early 1900's. The land was given to them by the British who controlled the area and the United Nations unanimously voted to give the land to Israel (the Arab states abstained). Israel is hardly 100% innocent but alot of what people accuse them of (from Jenin in 1982 to the recent Beach attacks) turn out to be false.