Isreal Bombing Lebinon

[The_Dark]

I'm just sick of the culture of violence that currently infects the whole middle east. Their are far too many people for whom vengence, in the name of god, is the only tool they can think of to solve the current dilemna.

Current? Like.. the last 3000 years?

They are attacking Lebanon because Hezzbolla controls the southeren half the country with nearly full autonamy. They are trying to force the Government of Lebanon to take control of it's own country.

[phee]

There have always been Jews in the area and the mass pilgrimage to Israel started in the early 1900's.  The land was given to them by the British who controlled the area and the United Nations unanimously voted to give the land to Israel (the Arab states abstained).  Israel is hardly 100% innocent but alot of what people accuse them of (from Jenin in 1982 to the recent Beach attacks) turn out to be false.

That is my understanding as well...

[Paper Hearts]

Yeah, well there have always been Arabs in the region as well, Ted. I don't know, I just think that both sides should just fuck off about the whole thing...it would end of one side or the other would concede Jeruselem but that'll never happen. Both sides are completely fucked.

Basically I watch it in the news with the same apathy that I have when I watch sports highlights from other cities. Today, Isreal 1 Palastinians 0...but there's another game tomorrow, you know?

[Paper Hearts]

I mean certainly I think Isreal has a right to respond to Arab Militia attacks but I also feel that Arab Militias have right to attack. It's just a game after all.

[phee]

Yeah, well there have always been Arabs in the region as well, Ted. I don't know, I just think that both sides should just fuck off about the whole thing...it would end of one side or the other would concede Jeruselem but that'll never happen. Both sides are completely fucked.

Basically I watch it in the news with the same apathy that I have when I watch sports highlights from other cities. Today, Isreal 1 Palastinians 0...but there's another game tomorrow, you know?

It is not within the nature of the region to "fuck off" it has much more of a "god told us to fuck you" mentallity

This will not change at least within my forseeable lifetime

[The_Dark]

I think he is thinking of the 1969 "6 Day War"

In that one... Eqypt started blockading all of Israel's ports and road ways... kicked the UN troops out of the Sinai regian and then placed a rather large army there with threats against Israel.

Israel responded by attacking Syria.

Jordan attacked Israel

Iraq attacked Israel

Israel kicked all thier asses and sent them home. As payment they kept control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.

Jerusalem is partially in the West Bank.. the other half of the city is in Israel proper.

[Paper Hearts]

It'll never happen and if both sides did fuck off television would be so much less entertaining.

I just wish they had jerseys I could collect.

[phee]

That is how understand it Dark... thanks

[Paper Hearts]

I don't want to seem like I'm making light of the matter either, I just mean that it's pretty laughable when all they have to do is live together in relative peace while hating each other's guts like we do in this country.

[Head Wreck]

do you have any links to support this actually happened?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm

another case:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,867343,00.html

other related articles:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=...7&x_article=338

http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/manager/feature...age.asp?mid=159

"But two of the three people killed were 14-year-old schoolboys, apparently shot as they threw stones at the tanks."

http://www.adalah.org/eng/humanshields.php

there was a ton of other links, one of which is aljazera (take with a big pinch of salt but to find the truth we must look at all sides) so i didnt want to post that here for fear of a flame war

[Msterbeau]

Current? Like.. the last 3000 years?

They are attacking Lebanon because Hezzbolla controls the southeren half the country with nearly full autonamy. They are trying to force the Government of Lebanon to take control of it's own country.

OK... So attack Southern Lebanon where the problem is. Bombing the whole country semi- indiscriminantly doesn't convince the government to do shit.

By current I mean... in this day and age when at least some parts of the world are vaguely civilized.

[The_Dark]

All of thier attacks have been in southeren Lebanon.

[Msterbeau]

All of thier attacks have been in southeren Lebanon.

Ok. But what does taking out the runway in Beirut have to do with anything? Trying to prevent escape routes?

Forget I said anything. They're all nuts.

[Head Wreck]

yes, for they have yet to see the wisdom of head wreck. for i am the way the truth and the light, and i say unto these make pineapples (for your god) not war

now wheres my damn pineapple juice

[Paper Hearts]

All of thier attacks have been in southeren Lebanon.

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I think they're crossing some kind of line when they start bombing another country. Lebanon is not much more capable of controling Arab Militias in their borders than Isreal is in it's...we've had problems controling them in our own borders, come to think of it. I cannot picture just the Southern United states being bombed by Canada because they decided that we weren't handling ourselves properly and that they were going to be hit by a cell in Atlanta, for example. Our government would be very offended. It was an irresponsible, knee-jerk reaction that is only bound to cause more problems and it's just one more example of how equally fucked up both sides really are. We don't attack American terrorist groups like the KKK at random...in fact we say they are protected by the constitution and have every right to exist. Lebanon is responsible to act, just like we would be if they can convict someone in Hezbolah of a crime but if you allow yourself to just go and lockup tons of people or kill them upon suspician alone or just because you don't agree with their opinion then you're not going to seem like a very reasonalbe government for people to live under, niether to your own people or abroad.

[Paper Hearts]

Did Isreal present Lebanon with overwhelming evidence to condem specific individuals of Hezbolah and say get them or else, or did Isreal simply say do something about Hezbolah or this particular guy we don't like or we will bomb the piss out of you? If I remember correctly Lebanon has been jailing Hezbolah members when they can convict them.

[Steven]

If anything, I think Israel has shown great restraint in dealing with the Palestinians.  If (random example) Windsor was sending several terrorist a month into Michigan and blowing up grocery stores with innocent people in it, I think Michigan eventually would end it by obliterating Windsor altogether.

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true. we'd send Nugent.

[Paper Hearts]

If we did send in Nugent to play Catscratch Fever and it ended up destorying Windsor, which is entirely possible, the rest of the Commonwealths and Canada would indeed consider it an attack on Canada and not just an attack on Don Cherry's.

If wes sent in Nugent to play Fred Bear to destroy Arabs in Windsor than I think it would probably be alright with most, because people have already decided that it is cool to breach borders in order to kill Arabs that they don't like.

If Ted Nugent died in battle I would be very happy, either way.

[Paper Hearts]

Oh wait. The title of this thread is 'Isreal bombing Lebinon', not Lebanon. In other words this thread is completely unrelated to events inthe news today.

Phee, what is Lebinon?

[phee]

And it would have helped If I could spell Lebanon right.... *doh*

addressed here....

[Paper Hearts]

addressed here....

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Ah. My understanding is that Lebanon is a lunchmeat, similar to salami and I just can't stand to think that Isreal would waste food like that.

[Paper Hearts]

I guess the bottom line in these wars in the middle east is that it's a right-wing, religeous extremist group and against another right-wing religeous extremist group...and it's really hard for me to care how many of each other they kill off. But you know, sometimes innocent people get caught up in the cross-fire...and eventually one of these groups is going to lay down a nuke.

[Blackmail]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm

another case:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,867343,00.html

other related articles:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=...7&x_article=338

http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/manager/feature...age.asp?mid=159

"But two of the three people killed were 14-year-old schoolboys, apparently shot as they threw stones at the tanks."

http://www.adalah.org/eng/humanshields.php

there was a ton of other links, one of which is aljazera (take with a big pinch of salt but to find the truth we must look at all sides) so i didnt want to post that here for fear of a flame war

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See this is exactly what i am talking about - none of this was verified.....it is reports of a claim of a human shield, none of which was proven.

I remember the BBC filmed an Israeli tank rolling thru the Gazza strip and a small child died of a gunshot wound to the head. The people in the streets were crying and cursing the Israeli's, turns out it was lucky the BBC filmed it because they found it was a Palestinian who shot the kid on accident.

Paul - there have been Arabs in the area for many many years but not as long as there have been Jews there, Jeruselum is mentioned in the Torah but not mention in the Quran.

[phee]

See this is exactly what i am talking about - none of this was verified.....it is reports of a claim of a human shield, none of which was proven.   

I remember the BBC filmed an Israeli tank rolling thru the Gazza strip and a small child died of a gunshot wound to the head.    The people in the streets were crying and cursing the Israeli's, turns out it was lucky the BBC filmed it because they found it was a Palestinian who shot the kid on accident.   

Paul - there have been Arabs in the area for many many years but not as long as there have been Jews there, Jeruselum is mentioned in the Torah but not mention in the Quran.

None was eh?

But... I... hmmmm

[BrassFusion]

See this is exactly what i am talking about - none of this was verified.....it is reports of a claim of a human shield, none of which was proven.   

I remember the BBC filmed an Israeli tank rolling thru the Gazza strip and a small child died of a gunshot wound to the head.    The people in the streets were crying and cursing the Israeli's, turns out it was lucky the BBC filmed it because they found it was a Palestinian who shot the kid on accident.   

Paul - there have been Arabs in the area for many many years but not as long as there have been Jews there, Jeruselum is mentioned in the Torah but not mention in the Quran.

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if we're talking about muslims vs. jews, jews will always have the historical "dibs" on jerusalem because their religion is thousands of years older than islam. but... what does that prove? i don't see how it gives them a right to bomb the fuck out of palestinians, which is not to say that palestinians have the right to bomb the fuck out of israel. why would they want to?