Armpits

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hairism? nvm

precisely... :erm

[BrassFusion]

Edit: In response to TA's dictionary.com link

Which is exactly what I've been saying all along.

Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

The phrase

"armpit hair on a girls grose"<sic>, when taken to include the implication that armpit hair on boys isn't necessarily... well, gross, promotes the stereotype that "womanly" women have shaven underarms, but that for men, it's not necessary.

I've since found out that the implication was not intended, even though I stand behind my assumption as having been justified.

[Rayne]

Nothing wrong with having a preference... some men prefer redheads.... some don't

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... A LOT do .... :whistling :innocent

[BrassFusion]

P.S.

The "hairism" and "heightism" were included to hopefully point out that not all biases are inherently evil. I don't think y'all are going to hell.

But if you think it's not sexist to have double standards in regards to body hair, you're just lying to yourselves.

[torn asunder]

Edit: In response to TA's dictionary.com link

Which is exactly what I've been saying all along.

The phrase

"armpit hair on a girls grose", when taken to include the implication that armpit hair on boys isn't necessarily... well, gross, promotes the stereotype that "womanly" women have shaven underarms, but that for men, it's not necessary.

I've since found out that the implication was not intended, even though I stand behind my assumption as having been justified.

again, the above quote you mentioned was a preference - i fail to see how a preference is "promoting" a stereotype. if i say, "i prefer women to wear pig-tails", is that sexist/promoting a stereotype? and if so, how? :erm

[Gauge]

Edit: In response to TA's dictionary.com link

Which is exactly what I've been saying all along.

The phrase

"armpit hair on a girls grose"<sic>, when taken to include the implication that armpit hair on boys isn't necessarily... well, gross, promotes the stereotype that "womanly" women have shaven underarms, but that for men, it's not necessary.

I've since found out that the implication was not intended, even though I stand behind my assumption as having been justified.

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how is that anything other than my opinion, let alone a steriotypical social role that im "forcing on them". i dont care if a woman doesnt shave her armpits im saying thats not attractive to me - theres no forcing there.

[BrassFusion]

Fine. Let's draw the line at sexual involvement, then.

How do you all feel about people who discriminate against women who don't shave their underarms whom they have no chance of ever sleeping with?

Edit:

P.S.

Opinions and preferences CAN be sexist, so I don't know why you all are talking about them as if they were mutually exclusive.

Example:

"I think black people are ugly, but that's only my opinion and/or preference."

Not necessarily malicious, not necessarily harmful... does that make it any less racist?

[torn asunder]

P.S.

The "hairism" and "heightism" were included to hopefully point out that not all biases are inherently evil. I don't think y'all are going to hell.

But if you think it's not sexist to have double standards in regards to body hair, you're just lying to yourselves.

i personally couldn't give two shits what people do in their personal lives - you don't want to shave, more power to ya! of course, because i prefer my women shorn, i would be less likely to be interested in dating that person, but that in no way says they aren't welcome to "Flow it, Show it; Long as God can grow it, My Hair!"

[phee]

I suppose I only like to sleep with people who don't have penises and have vaginas instead.... I guess I am a sexist person for haveing that preference

[Gauge]

P.S.

The "hairism" and "heightism" were included to hopefully point out that not all biases are inherently evil. I don't think y'all are going to hell.

But if you think it's not sexist to have double standards in regards to body hair, you're just lying to yourselves.

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its not about beeing evil, its about the fact that your only able to back up your statments with a jumble of thing you think are or arent acceptable. if you can find me a source (something like a dictionary for example) that sais that someone who prefers their women to shave there arm pits is a sexist than be my guest.

[torn asunder]

Fine. Let's draw the line at sexual involvement, then.

How do you all feel about people who discriminate against women who don't shave their underarms whom they have no chance of ever sleeping with?

well, now you're changing the parameters of the argument/discussion...

i feel that (wait for it...) it's not discrimination, it's a personal preference!!

(bet i surprised you with that one, didn't i!?) :erm

[BrassFusion]

I suppose I only like to sleep with people who don't have penises and have vaginas instead.... I guess I am a sexist person for haveing that preference

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You're only sexist if you apply standards to men that you don't apply to women, or vice versa. And I'm sure there are women in the world you wouldn't sleep with (correct me if I'm wrong), so your preference isn't inherently sexist.

[BrassFusion]

its not about beeing evil, its about the fact that your only able to back up your statments with a jumble of thing you think are or arent acceptable. if you can find me a source (something like a dictionary for example) that sais that someone who prefers their women to shave there arm pits is a sexist than be my guest.

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First of all, my head hurts.

Secondly, any dictionary that defines sexism to include something that specific is going to be a shitty dictionary anyway. By virtue of their function, dictionaries have to have more open-ended definitions.

And yeah, I already justified myself according to a dictionary definition. Few posts back.

[Gauge]

Fine. Let's draw the line at sexual involvement, then.

How do you all feel about people who discriminate against women who don't shave their underarms whom they have no chance of ever sleeping with?

Edit:

P.S.

Opinions and preferences CAN be sexist, so I don't know why you all are talking about them as if they were mutually exclusive.

Example:

"I think black people are ugly, but that's only my opinion and/or preference."

Not necessarily malicious, not necessarily harmful... does that make it any less racist?

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again, no one is discriminating, if im never going to sleep with that girl and she feels like she doesnt wanna shave i couldnt care much less.

now preferences once again are not sexist, opinions are not sexist. the only way either are sexist is if its forced and no one is forcing anything.

[BrassFusion]

well, now you're changing the parameters of the argument/discussion...

i feel that (wait for it...) it's not discrimination, it's a personal preference!!

(bet i surprised you with that one, didn't i!?)  :erm 

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Triple-post madness!!!

So you endorse body hair discrimination based on gender, for example: a woman in a sleeveless shirt with hairy pits being denied a promotion (or anything else, whatever), strictly because she has hairy pits?

[phee]

You're only sexist if you apply standards to men that you don't apply to women, or vice versa. And I'm sure there are women in the world you wouldn't sleep with (correct me if I'm wrong), so your preference isn't inherently sexist.

Well then even though it is ok for me to not be attracted to women with beards... but it is ok for men to have them? that makes me sexist? or does that mean I just prefer my women without facial hair

[BrassFusion]

again, no one is discriminating, if im never going to sleep with that girl and she feels like she doesnt wanna shave i couldnt care much less.

now preferences once again are not sexist, opinions are not sexist. the only way either are sexist is if its forced and no one is forcing anything.

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Gauge, I seriously just slapped myself in the face.

OPINIONS AND PREFERENCES CAN BE SEXIST.

That's all I'm going to say and you're going to have a hell of a time finding someone to disagree with that.

[Gauge]

You're only sexist if you apply standards to men that you don't apply to women, or vice versa. And I'm sure there are women in the world you wouldn't sleep with (correct me if I'm wrong), so your preference isn't inherently sexist.

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and where might i ask did anyone say anything about sleeping with every woman or man in the world!?!?

[Gauge]

First of all, my head hurts.

Secondly, any dictionary that defines sexism to include something that specific is going to be a shitty dictionary anyway. By virtue of their function, dictionaries have to have more open-ended definitions.

And yeah, I already justified myself according to a dictionary definition. Few posts back.

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why is it shitty? because it doesnt prove your point.

i saw no justification btw

[Gauge]

Triple-post madness!!!

So you endorse body hair discrimination based on gender, for example: a woman in a sleeveless shirt with hairy pits being denied a promotion (or anything else, whatever), strictly because she has hairy pits?

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since when are we talking about promotions?

[torn asunder]

P.S.

Opinions and preferences CAN be sexist, so I don't know why you all are talking about them as if they were mutually exclusive.

Example:

"I think black people are ugly, but that's only my opinion and/or preference."

Not necessarily malicious, not necessarily harmful... does that make it any less racist?

read this...

it seems that what you are missing is the fact that, in both these cases (racism/sexism) the dictionary definition includes some manner of negative connotation, usually involving some sort of superiority/inferiority issue, as relates to the subject being discussed (race/sex) having a preference in no way applies negative connotations to the subject being discussed (women can't drive, for example, is sexist - of course, i suppose saying men can't drive would be as well) but i i was to say "women are excellent drivers!" would you label me a sexist!? (wait, let me clarify - would most of society - i know you would, just to win this argument) i don't think so. as i said, sexism/racism have superiority/inferiority as a central issue, whereas personal preference doesn't, in and of itself...

[torn asunder]

Triple-post madness!!!

So you endorse body hair discrimination based on gender, for example: a woman in a sleeveless shirt with hairy pits being denied a promotion (or anything else, whatever), strictly because she has hairy pits?

seriously, where in the hell did you see me write that!? please debate me, but don't put words in my mouth - something as trivial as armpit hair should have nothing to do with a promotion. i can't believe you were serious with this post... :erm

[BrassFusion]

Well then even though it is ok for me to not be attracted to women with beards... but it is ok for men to have them? that makes me sexist? or does that mean I just prefer my women without facial hair

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Hate, Intolerance, Tolerance, Respect, Love, Fetish.

In my peronsal opinion, people should strive to be between levels 4 and 6 with everybody. Respect is good. Failing respect, tolerance is good.

You don't have to sleep with someone to prove that you're tolerant of them, or that you respect them, or even that you love them.

The sexism part comes in when you disrespect people for their sexual characteristics, whether they're genetic (sex) or acquired (hairy-ass stank pits). Sex doesn't have to have anything to do with it.

[Gauge]

Gauge, I seriously just slapped myself in the face.

OPINIONS AND PREFERENCES CAN BE SEXIST.

That's all I'm going to say and you're going to have a hell of a time finding someone to disagree with that.

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umm read the past few posts hun i believe people are already agreeing with me. . .

[Gauge]

Hate, Intolerance, Tolerance, Respect, Love, Fetish.

In my peronsal opinion, people should strive to be between levels 4 and 6 with everybody. Respect is good. Failing respect, tolerance is good.

You don't have to sleep with someone to prove that you're tolerant of them, or that you respect them, or even that you love them.

The sexism part comes in when you disrespect people for their sexual characteristics, whether they're genetic (sex) or acquired (hairy-ass stank pits). Sex doesn't have to have anything to do with it.

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where did anyone say anything about disrespecting a chick because she doesnt shave her pits?