Ramsey Case

[BrassFusion]

because a lot of the men on those lists are entrapped. my first-cousin-once-removed's father was seduced by a 14-year-old he'd met in a bar. He'll be on those lists for the rest of his life- by no fault of his own, in my opinion.

[phee]

if we did not release them, then why do we have public listings for concerned citizens to check on to see if a sexual predator lives in their neighborhood?

think about it.

You misunderstand me... I know we release them... that is a problem.... I disagree with releasing them.

I think that killing them is a waste... I think that they should be forced to work to better society. Letting them die solves nothing, and lets them off easy....

[The Void]

I have never believed there to be an outsider that killed JonBenet.

However, this John Karr guy certainly has/had an obsession. Could he have done it? Who knows...I'd need to be able to place him in that state at that time first.

The guy is a strange child hunting scumbag though, so on that alone i hope he gets punished for this case or some other case they might think of investigating him on.

What I can't stand is watching the media handle this for even one minute. I was flipping channels the other night and broke my rule of not watching the media whores do their dance. I watched CNN for all of 5 minutes on the JonBenet case and wanted to vomit. The way they sensationalize and try to program the viewer is ridiculous and it's why I don't watch mainstream news, nor read mainstream news of any kind.

No matter what happens we cannot believe the media on this. We probably will never ever get a true, accurate story on what actually occurred ever. That part we must accept. Anyone who thinks we're getting accurate information off the tube is nutters imo.

[Steven]

because a lot of the men on those lists are entrapped. my first-cousin-once-removed's father was seduced by a 14-year-old he'd met in a bar. He'll be on those lists for the rest of his life- by no fault of his own, in my opinion.

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there is no perfect system, and yes people fall through the cracks. we make our decisions based on what is most important to us. I understand and respect your points of view on being against capitol punishment...I just disagree with them, but that does not amke me "right" - and I am aware of this. You know where I stand on these things......

As for your example - I dont know what to say about that Erin.

ANd obviously I dont know the details. I do however - from just a surface level understanding - find myself a bit confused on a grown man's inability to recognize the inappropriatenes of sexualizing a relationship with a young girl.

I suppose we could say that some 14 year olds look a18.

They dont act 18 however.

and to me, 18 is even too young for an adult who is allready a father. Unless of course were talking about a 21 year old man and an 18 year old woman.....that makes more sense to me, which perhaps is the case here.

My older brother has a close friend whom I cannot stand.

He is in his mid 40's.

He like teenage girls.

Every once in awhile he'll step "up" in age to an 18 year old. But to me he's still a peice of shit praying on the worldly inexperience of youth.

[BrassFusion]

there is no perfect system, and yes people fall through the cracks.  we make our decisions based on what is most important to us.  I understand and respect your points of view on being against capitol punishment...I just disagree with them, but that does not amke me "right" - and I am aware of this.  You know where I stand on these things......

As for your example - I dont know what to say about that Erin.

ANd obviously I dont know the details.  I do however - from just a surface level understanding - find myself a bit confused on a grown man's inability to recognize the inappropriatenes of sexualizing a relationship with a young girl.

I suppose we could say that some 14 year olds look a18.

They dont act 18 however.

and to me, 18 is even too young for an adult who is allready a father.  Unless of course were talking about a 21 year old man and an 18 year old woman.....that makes more sense to me, which perhaps is the case here.

My older brother has a close friend whom I cannot stand.

He is in his mid 40's.

He like teenage girls. 

Every once in awhile he'll step "up" in age to an 18 year old.  But to me he's still a peice of shit praying on the worldly inexperience of youth.

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They're shitty cradle robbers, yes, but they still need to be protected under the same laws as the rest of us. The legal age limit, like every other age limit, is arbitrary, and I feel that 18 is a good age to arbitrate that sort of thing at.

If a man can prove that he has no reason to believe that a woman is under the age of 18 (or 16 in our state, i think), and conversely, the "woman" or her family CANNOT prove that he would have reason to believe she was underage, he shouldn't suffer the consequences of relations with her. At all. In my opinion.

[phee]

They're shitty cradle robbers, yes, but they still need to be protected under the same laws as the rest of us. The legal age limit, like every other age limit, is arbitrary, and I feel that 18 is a good age to arbitrate that sort of thing at.

If a man can prove that he has no reason to believe that a woman is under the age of 18 (or 16 in our state, i think), and conversely, the "woman" or her family CANNOT prove that he would have reason to believe she was underage,  he shouldn't suffer the consequences of relations with her. At all. In my opinion.

I agree with that... in principal... but it is so hard to enfource

[BrassFusion]

I agree with that... in principal... but it is so hard to enfource

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Innocence until the proof of guilt, how's that so hard to enforce?

[phee]

Innocence until the proof of guilt, how's that so hard to enforce?

People can fake innocence...

[BrassFusion]

People can fake innocence...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm not saying that my method would reduce the statuatory rape statistic. Hell, maybe it would even accomplish the opposite. But even if both the man and the underage girl convincingly feign ignorance, I don't feel the man should necessarily be punished for his actions.

[phee]

I'm not saying that my method would reduce the statuatory rape statistic. Hell, maybe it would even accomplish the opposite. But even if both the man and the underage girl convincingly feign ignorance, I don't feel the man should necessarily be punished for his actions.

I agree... but there is soooo much deciet that can happen here... It will turn into a her word against his... or (as we have only been talking about males sleeping with underage females) his word against hers...

A 15 year old that can pass for an 18 year old can go back to a convincing child in front of a judge pretty quickly

[BrassFusion]

I agree... but there is soooo much deciet that can happen here... It will turn into a her word against his... or (as we have only been talking about males sleeping with underage females) his word against hers...

A 15 year old that can pass for an 18 year old can go back to a convincing child in front of a judge pretty quickly

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what's a better method, then, in your opinion?

[phee]

I think I would take GWB's way of thinking... record everything in the world and use it to catch bad guys to keep all of the good people safe *Phee disengages the sarcasm switch*

I have no idea TBH

[BrassFusion]

I think I would take GWB's way of thinking... record everything in the world and use it to catch bad guys to keep all of the good people safe *Phee disengages the sarcasm switch*

I have no idea TBH

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i think a good long term solution would be feminine empowerment. i don't think it should be a stigma to make a case against a guy for raping you, but it seems like nowadays a woman's EXPECTED to be a victim. that's just not cool.

if all those 14-year-olds are raised in a culture where they feel they have as much value as their male peers and at the same time are expected to learn to defend themselves, physically and emotionally, we might see less of it.

[phee]

i think a good long term solution would be feminine empowerment. i don't think it should be a stigma to make a case against a guy for raping you, but it seems like nowadays a woman's EXPECTED to be a victim. that's just not cool.

if all those 14-year-olds are raised in a culture where they feel they have as much value as their male peers and at the same time are expected to learn to defend themselves, physically and emotionally, we might see less of it.

When I was 14 and trying to seduce men... it was very empowering... oh shit.... I said that out loud :fear

[BrassFusion]

omg threadjacker read the rules

[phee]

um... yeah... so I don't have a solution... but I think yours is a good start

[Gothmama25]

I wonder if Karr will consent to a DNA test.

[BrassFusion]

uh... does his consent matter?

[Gothmama25]

uh... does his consent matter?

Good point.

[Gothmama25]

I love how the case against him has been thrown out due to his dna didn't match the dna left behind at the crime scene. I knew he was making it up.

[Marblez]

because a lot of the men on those lists are entrapped. my first-cousin-once-removed's father was seduced by a 14-year-old he'd met in a bar. He'll be on those lists for the rest of his life- by no fault of his own, in my opinion.

Seduced? Seduced?? Did he sleep with a 14 year old?? He should be on the list. Don't matter how hot and horny she was.

[Marblez]

Doh.

[ManicQueen]

Well the case has been dropped and they aren't even going to charge this fucker for lying. Whatever, atleast he's being shipped off to Califonia for charges.

He's ass was wanted in Thialand, that's why he confessed. He wanted a free ride to the US. He's still scum to me because he preys on children. I hope a bullet finds its way in his head.

I'm still thinking the mother had something to do with it.

[BrassFusion]

Seduced? Seduced?? Did he sleep with a 14 year old?? He should be on the list. Don't matter how hot and horny she was.

He met her in a bar and had no reason to believe she wasn't 18.

[Liberal Larry]

After confessing last month to the brutal 1997 slaying of Jon Benet Ramsey, John Mark Karr was dragged away from the only place a man such as himself could obtain a teaching job in this economy. Doubts have been raised as to the authenticity of his confession, but whether he admits to the murder is irrelevant. The real criminal here is not Mr. Karr, but George W. Bush – or more specifically, his unapologetic policy of outsourcing all the transgendered pedophile teaching jobs to Thailand.

In the so-called “Land of the Free”, males who voluntarily have their genitals cleaved off and undergo hormone treatment until they sprout unconvincing breasts are treated like freaks. But on the streets of Bangkok, you can throw a dead cat ten feet in any direction and 30 hungry people will pounce on it. According to statistics, twenty-seven of those people are in the process of some sort of sexual reassignment therapy. The numbers are much higher in the States, yet for reasons unknown we are far less tolerant of these unique individuals than we’d care to admit. A woman who shows up for a job interview with a five o’clock shadow, an adam’s apple the size of a small town in Iowa, and a hair-do that looks like one of Dan Haggerty’s armpits has been clumsily stapled to her skull is likely to either be mistaken for Ann Coulter or brusquely shown the door. Such intolerance not only chases our most talented Transgendered Americans out of the country, but creates a society where the major concentration of wealth resides in the hands of naturally born males and/or females.

But it doesn’t have to be that way.

The City of San Francisco, a refuge for those who would be branded as “deviants”, "preverts", or “liberals” in less enlightened cities, has enacted legislation that will earmark hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars for a “Comprehensive Transgender Employment Initiative," a noble effort to economically empower transgendered citizens. Money that would otherwise be wasted on hiring cops or filling potholes will now be used to create employment opportunities for San Francisco’s most underappreciated drag queens. Doors of opportunity that have long been slammed shut in the name of common decency are now open, insuring economic equality for all and keeping America's transgendered pedophiles in San Franscisco where they belong.

If only such a program were implemented at a national level, Jon Benet Ramsey might be alive today, free to pursue gender-reassignment surgery of her own. Instead, a beautiful little girl has lost her life, a brilliant man/woman has lost his/her job, and Bush still sits in the White House, installed by his Evangelical masters to insure that no Transgendered American makes a Living Wage.