Ninja or Samurai?

[paradox]

Fight!

[Vater Araignee]

The ninja sneaks up to the inferior samurai and shoves his ninja-to up the pathetic warriers ass neatly disemboweling him in one swift motion.

[paradox]

no way man!

since the samurai follow the path of bushido, his zen no-mind skills detect this honorless scum and decapitates him mid-sneak, flick the blade clean and resheaths in one fluid motion! :grin:

[Vater Araignee]

what about the hundreds of jug... ninjahommies with painted faces crawling out of every crack?

[paradox]

even THAT crack???

[paradox]

[Vater Araignee]

every crack

[Vater Araignee]

and hey not fair you didnt say Samurai Jack.

Thats a dif story

[paradox]

samurai covers all samurai...

and im covering my crack!

didnt i say 'no thanks' to the anal thread??? :ermm:

[The_Dark]

Well, strictly speaking of style....

In a fair fight.. the ninja is toast as the Samurai are the superior swordsman. On the other hand, if the Ninja is worth his salt, it wont be a fair fight and he will use all his stealth skills to take the Samurai out when he is sleeping or unaware.

[paradox]

like i said, zen no-mind. ninjas is toast!

maybe its justa personal bias? why do i hate ninjas???

[TomCat]

samurai. Honor, and integrity...no sneakin' round here...bitches!

[paradox]

word...

[Daniel]

Personally, a fully armed samurai, sword master, having studied sword drawing and combat, would take down a ninja quickly. Ninjitsu is more of an espionage sort of art, designed to get the attacker into and out of a dangerous situation safely and undetected if possible.

Of course, "samurai" was more of a title for military personnel, who were treated like nobels, and many samurai amounted to little more than a frontline spearman. Any ninja with reasonable amount of training would dispatch them.

In warfare, samurai would definitely prevail. Seems Oda Nobunaga wiped out the bulk of the ninja this way. Ninjas were not meant for frontline warfare. They were pawns on a chess board, used to dispatch important figures. They also were almost legendary, and most of the major unexplainable deaths of important/influential figures, like Tekada Shingen or Uesugi Kenshin, were suspected of dying of ninja assassination, but no one could ever say for certain. Usually they were explained away by medical anomoly.

I guess what that means is if a ninja has a hit out on someone, they could very well succeed and do so without anyone ever knowing they did it. In toe-to-toe combat, I'd give the samurai sword master the contest. Of course, the nature of combat is that... any fully trained, lethal warrior could prevail, defying odds and statistics.

[Vater Araignee]

Loe donni Raph and Mike are ninja so where is the lack of Honor, and integrity?

BTW a ninja isn't going to split a peeon surf in two just to test the efectivness of his ninja-to BOOYHA

[Shade Everdark]

What most people don't realize is that most ninja were bushi at least during the latter half of the Sengoku period, and the early Tokugawa years, at least according to several scholars. This means that ninja were of the same class as were the samurai, the warrior-nobles, and would thus almost certainly have received the same sword training as did more traditionally military samurai. They simply honed their skills in a different direction. The life of an assassin, of course, is not a very honorable one, but as long as a samurai were not actually discovered doing it, it could not be proved, and thus a samurai would have no loss of his honor, and the Japanese, from personal experience, are masters at seeing only what they wish to see, when they wish to do so.

Also keep in mind that samurai during most of the Tokugawa shogunate were rarely anything more than administrative officials, bureaucrats of a feudal order. There were no battles, no wars to fight, so their martial skills were superfluous. While they still received training and practiced regularly, they were not the hardened soldiers of former years. Of course, samurai during the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries were total badasses, because they had to be. There were wars to fight, and homelands to defend from the raging hordes of the Khans. They had opportunities to use their training in a, ahem, practical way, thus they not only had much more field experience, but they also simply had more of the soldiers' mentality.

I'm not going to say that all of that means you can't draw comparisons, because people inevitably will. But you might want to consider that samurai and ninja, if current prevailing scholarship on the subject is correct, were not that dissimilar in training and background, and that your answer will necessarily depend heavily on whether you're talking about the badass samurai of earlier years, who had not fleshed out the code of bushido and were not as rigidly bound to those precepts, or if you are speaking of the brush-pushers and civil servants of the Tokugawa era.

[fallennon]

Can a girl play too????

[paradox]

jump on in!

just watch out for the ninjas...backstabbin lil varmits! :laughing:

ok everyone, this will put the nail in the coffin fer them ninjas!

NO ONE can resist me as samurai jack!!!!

and i even got a devil and a witch too! :grin:

[soothsayer]

what about the hundreds of jug... ninjahommies

That line is too funny.

[soothsayer]

Hey Paradox....did you happen to go to the 2003 Det electronic music fest??

[soothsayer]

And who could forget........

:laughing:

[paradox]

Hey Paradox....did you happen to go to the 2003 Det electronic music fest??

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope

[Vater Araignee]

Damn I wish I could be a ninja, ninja

Damn I wish I could be a ninja, ninja

Damn I wish I could be a ninja, ninja

Damn It'd feel good ta see people applaudin'

Note, the ninja is winning.

[bean]

Samurai!!!!!!

[Goth Brooks]

calling yourself a ninja is not being a ninja

juggalos =/= ninjas