Time Travel

[Vampyro]

So, in a self debate of philosophy trying to find proof of god's existance or not... I boiled it down to one conclusino...

If God is real..

..than that means he created everything...

..including time..

..meaning he knows the past, present, AND future...

and thus, free will is only an illusion, and everything has been predecided already...

and the only way to proove that... is to build a time machine...

..yet i'm not a physisist, genius, einstine, or rocket scientist..

So how the hell could I make a time machine you ask?

Simple, I found the easy solution! I simply decided, that my future self would travel back in time to show me how to do it, and once we built the machine to an exact copy of the one my future self used to get here, I'd have my own time machine where I would travel back in time, and be the future self, teaching my past self how to build it...

....however, my lust for adventure got in the way. Instead of going immediately back in time and teaching myself, I decided to take a trip to the future...

Yes, I went 5 minutes into the future to try to see what had happened. I saw that nothing changed.. so i traveled back 5 minutes, and threw a TV out the window onto a car, and waited 5 minutes. Just then the cops came knocking on my door. So in attempts to escape them, I had to forfiet my experiment to see if there's a god or not and decided to travel back and not let myself toss the tv out of the window.

I made one silly ass mistake however... I over shot the trip and wound up in the dark ages...

That REALLY sucked ass, I appeared right in the middle of this town where everyone went total apeshit in a panic, assumed my time machine was demonic, and i was a witch straight from hell...

They threw me in a dungeon for 4 months of continuous torture. I was whipped, beaten, things removed from my abdomen...

And just before my death, I wondered, was this my fate? What does this have to do with prooving if god exists or not? And why did this have to happen to me? That moment, two huge smelly guards came into my prision cell, grabbed me, and drug me up to the surface where I came face to face with the masked man who was my executioner. Things could not have gotten worse at this point...

I was chained beond capebilities of moving, head layed down exposing my neck to the sharp rusty blade of the axe in the executioner's hand. I heard a grunt as he lifted the ax, then a more strained grunt as he swung down on my neck with all his might.. everything went black. Next thing I know, I'm right back here, typing all this, unharmed. I then realized that I had forgotten to go back in time to help myself build a time machine, and thus dying in the dark ages, means it never happened, therefore my future self never came to show me how it is done. So, perhaps this is a way to keep predecided fate from being changed and there is a god, or maybe i'm just a dumbass that forgot to do what i was supposed to do to proove there is no god... yet if i was a dumbass... i sure saved my own life for it!

Hope you all enjoyed that, feeling a bit weird and creative so I decided to write a little story...

No, I'm not on any drugs.....

.......THIS time

[Onyx]

Cool!

[Steven]

I agree with you to a point.

that because he is infinite, whereas we are finite and subject to physical decay and aging, we live within a dimension that he lives outside of.

BUt I do not see it as a predestined existence without the power of personal choice.

simply because he can see the end result of our choices along the timeline does not mean he controls them per se, but instead simply watches them, and sometimes places witnesses before us on the timeline to mark his existence.

[Steven]

by the way I think that trying to "prove" or disprove there is a god is a monumental waste of time as it will always boil down to personal choice.

I also think he wants it that way.

[sass_in_the_pants]

And all I did last night was go to a dinner party.

[Vampyro]

by the way I think that trying to "prove" or disprove there is a god is a monumental waste of time as it will always boil down to personal choice.

I also think he wants it that way.

Thanks for the input, I agree with you too about trying to proove god's existance or lack of is a whaste of time, yet i was feeling creative, and wanted to try to make a story that would be rather humorous and just entertaining to read. And that's the whole goal of it, to even say that yes, i did all this, went back and forth in time, tested to see if god's real or not by ruffling time's feathers, and got punished for it by hitting the dark ages and getting killed (possibly by god, but still, for the non belivers, could be just a coincidence that it happened too) So by hitting the end conclusion, it was still, even after all that, there's still no actual proof, and it ended as if it never happened. Like i said, Just trying something new, wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but the yay's and nay's are always welcomed.

[Vampyro]

Donnie Darko is to blame for the inspiration, because after watching it about a million times, i see that he Disrupted God's path by leaving his bed before the jet engine crashed in it, creating a tangent universe that was going to collapse in 4 weeks. Everything he did, and the domino effect of all his actions suffered no use other than a haunting dream that might change some people he encountered in this tangent universe, wich the movie still hinted that there is a god with predestined paths. I wanted to try a simple short story that was more neutral, that after all that, still yeilded no proof either way.

[Onyx]

Wow.

Everyone is so *serious* lately.

I just thought it was a cool story.

[Steven]

Thanks for the input, I agree with you too about trying to proove god's existance or lack of is a whaste of time, yet i was feeling creative, and wanted to try to make a story that would be rather humorous and just entertaining to read. And that's the whole goal of it, to even say that yes, i did all this, went back and forth in time, tested to see if god's real or not by ruffling time's feathers, and got punished for it by hitting the dark ages and getting killed (possibly by god, but still, for the non belivers, could be just a coincidence that it happened too) So by hitting the end conclusion, it was still, even after all that, there's still no actual proof, and it ended as if it never happened. Like i said, Just trying something new, wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but the yay's and nay's are always welcomed.

I understand Dude, I get that. You just got me thinking, thats all.

[Steven]

Wow.

Everyone is so *serious* lately.

I just thought it was a cool story.

pull my finger. (******!!!)

see? not always so serious.....

[sass_in_the_pants]

Interestingly, my friend just sent me the clip of Britney Spears talking about time travel. You never knew you had so much in common with her, did you?

[pharoh]

Which also brings up another thread topic.....if you could go back in time would you change anything?

Right now, trust me I feel that I would like to in a bad way, but in al reality I think that our past defines who we are and we shouldn't just forget or try to change that in my opinion (sorry for the jack)

[Vampyro]

Interestingly, my friend just sent me the clip of Britney Spears talking about time travel. You never knew you had so much in common with her, did you?

oh no! NOOOOO!!!!!! I'm gonna cry... and we all know there's nothing worse than a goth man blubbering like a little baby!

[Vampyro]

Which also brings up another thread topic.....if you could go back in time would you change anything?

Right now, trust me I feel that I would like to in a bad way, but in al reality I think that our past defines who we are and we shouldn't just forget or try to change that in my opinion (sorry for the jack)

I don't see why we'd have to make a new thread, after all I did say that I'm open to yay's and nays' and i'm also glad it got people thinking, yet peacefully with one another this time... this is related to the main topic so as far as i'm concerned pharoh, yeah man let's talk about this.

There's a number of things in my past that I do regret sometimes, like anyone, yet at the same time I really don't regret anything. We go forward in time on a set steady course, minutes don't speed up or slow down, and there's no going back, so what's done is done, learned my lessons from them and move on. Because another point of thought this story brought to me is... if you COULD go back and change things, perhaps if you did things differently, the outcome may proove worse than what actually happened. Say for example..

I go back in time to a point where I broke up with an ex, instead i mend things and stick with her, to marry her, then have kids with her, only to find out later that she's cheating, and a divorce and fight over the kids would make things alot more painful emotionally and financhially for alot more people than just myself. So yeah, I don't regret anything. Everything happens for a reason it seems, and take things one day at a time, knowing what's done is done, and look on to the future wondering what's next.

[Steven]

what a wicked temptation that would be, to be able to retrace our steps....

I would have to fight off the temptation to un-do all of the wasted years I spent doing so many chemicals and raging at the world, that time would have been much better spent going to school and educating myself, accquiring tools to make me much more credible....

but to do that I'd then have to sacrifice my current empathy for people in general, and I dont think thats a good trade upward.

I'd also have to sacrifice my experience overall, which at times could possibly be linked to some degree of (cough cough gag) "wisdom" earned over the years. To undo that would mean that I'd have to sacrifice what I've learned, and to sacrifice that would mean I'd have to compromise some degree of passion, and to do that would mean I simply am no longer the man that I am today.

which would also probably mean that I would not have Laura, through whom everything that I am now has a foundation, or a recognizable starting point.

[Vampyro]

I actually agree with you on that, I'm too happy with who I am now and know going back in time would mean changing some events wich led to my "wisdom" that I have today. However, to keep you thinking...

Just think, if things did happen differently, you would be a different person however, that person you would be per chance would have learned wisdom in life that you havent, and also wouldn't wanna change anything he did either... for if you did go to the past to change some events, your memory would be effected too, you'd still be you no doubt, however... changing the past means the future gets changed somehow too, meaning you never got the chance to time travel, thus making it never possible to happen, meaning you never went back in time to change to your new way... yet you had to go back in time to change the to the new way... but now that you did, the old you dissapears, and the new one never travels time... so how the hell could the change have even happened? Would you rip the hell out of the time stream for everyone then? A good way out of this would be to leave a note to your "changed" self just saying, "Hey dude, it's me.. well you... but a different you, just go back to this time when you hit year 2007 and make sure don't do anything differently than what you remember doing ok bro?" That would save everyone hopefully... but yeah I've thought if i had done things differently... my life wouldn't be nearly as fucked up as it is now, yet i think back to the time when i was making the dumbest choices all in the name of love, no one, not even myself could talk me out of it at that time, so some things may just be doomed to happen no matter what.

what a wicked temptation that would be, to be able to retrace our steps....

I would have to fight off the temptation to un-do all of the wasted years I spent doing so many chemicals and raging at the world, that time would have been much better spent going to school and educating myself, accquiring tools to make me much more credible....

but to do that I'd then have to sacrifice my current empathy for people in general, and I dont think thats a good trade upward.

I'd also have to sacrifice my experience overall, which at times could possibly be linked to some degree of (cough cough gag) "wisdom" earned over the years. To undo that would mean that I'd have to sacrifice what I've learned, and to sacrifice that would mean I'd have to compromise some degree of passion, and to do that would mean I simply am no longer the man that I am today.

which would also probably mean that I would not have Laura, through whom everything that I am now has a foundation, or a recognizable starting point.

[Homicidalheathen]

Personally I wouldn't change a thing. Because all those years I spent raging and doing chemicals were the years I learned the most about what makes me 'tick'.

coarse if I did that today it might kill me.

Change is good.

what a wicked temptation that would be, to be able to retrace our steps....

I would have to fight off the temptation to un-do all of the wasted years I spent doing so many chemicals and raging at the world, that time would have been much better spent going to school and educating myself, accquiring tools to make me much more credible....

but to do that I'd then have to sacrifice my current empathy for people in general, and I dont think thats a good trade upward.

I'd also have to sacrifice my experience overall, which at times could possibly be linked to some degree of (cough cough gag) "wisdom" earned over the years. To undo that would mean that I'd have to sacrifice what I've learned, and to sacrifice that would mean I'd have to compromise some degree of passion, and to do that would mean I simply am no longer the man that I am today.

which would also probably mean that I would not have Laura, through whom everything that I am now has a foundation, or a recognizable starting point.

[Medea]

what a wicked temptation that would be, to be able to retrace our steps....

I would have to fight off the temptation to un-do all of the wasted years I spent doing so many chemicals and raging at the world, that time would have been much better spent going to school and educating myself, accquiring tools to make me much more credible....

but to do that I'd then have to sacrifice my current empathy for people in general, and I dont think thats a good trade upward.

I'd also have to sacrifice my experience overall, which at times could possibly be linked to some degree of (cough cough gag) "wisdom" earned over the years. To undo that would mean that I'd have to sacrifice what I've learned, and to sacrifice that would mean I'd have to compromise some degree of passion, and to do that would mean I simply am no longer the man that I am today.

which would also probably mean that I would not have Laura, through whom everything that I am now has a foundation, or a recognizable starting point.

Also, another question, Steven. From what you described before, do you really think that Past-Steven would even listen to Future-Steven?