Student Arrested For Writing Essay

[BrassFusion]

i didn't mean that discomfort is all it takes to learn, more that you can't learn shit if you're not willing to do something that you're not comfortable with or be in a situation where you don't feel comfortable.

again, personal experience- it seems that people are too afraid of benign stuff and will sacrifice everybody's freedoms to keep shit innocuous on the surface. i feel that's what most likely happened with the karson situation.

[sinmantyx]

I would assume because nobody was getting shot on the playground in Poe's heyday (its a different world we live in now)

Why do people always assume that it was less violent "back in the day" -- just because it was socially acceptable to kill one another over stupid shit doesn't mean it didn't happen all the time, or people weren't as DEAD or tramatized in the end.

When is the last time you personally watched a duel or enjoyed a public hanging?

Things SUCKED in Poe's heyday - it's just that either people accepted it or were in denial. We didn't instantly find out about it on TV either.

Heck, half the women of the time were so tramatized by how they were treated that "hysteria" was just considered a "womanly disfunction" instead of the severe mental illness now know as post-tramatic stress.

Now we're just so used to feeling safe and living until we're 101; that this type of thing is actually shocking.

[BrassFusion]

Why do people always assume that it was less violent "back in the day" -- just because it was socially acceptable to kill one another over stupid shit doesn't mean it didn't happen all the time, or people weren't as DEAD or tramatized in the end.

When is the last time you personally watched a duel or enjoyed a public hanging?

Things SUCKED in Poe's heyday - it's just that either people accepted it or were in denial. We didn't instantly find out about it on TV either.

Heck, half the women of the time were so tramatized by how they were treated that "hysteria" was just considered a "womanly disfunction" instead of the severe mental illness now know as post-tramatic stress.

Now we're just so used to feeling safe and living until we're 101; that this type of thing is actually shocking.

well put

[Steven]

Why do people always assume that it was less violent "back in the day" -- just because it was socially acceptable to kill one another over stupid shit doesn't mean it didn't happen all the time, or people weren't as DEAD or tramatized in the end.

When is the last time you personally watched a duel or enjoyed a public hanging?

Things SUCKED in Poe's heyday - it's just that either people accepted it or were in denial. We didn't instantly find out about it on TV either.

Heck, half the women of the time were so tramatized by how they were treated that "hysteria" was just considered a "womanly disfunction" instead of the severe mental illness now know as post-tramatic stress.

Now we're just so used to feeling safe and living until we're 101; that this type of thing is actually shocking.

Have I ever seen a dual in the calssic sense? No Syn, I have not. I have seen "duals" by way of knife fights and group violence on one or two individuals since I was about 8 years old. For reasons such as someone calling calling somebody a spic. Or yelling westside out loud. Or for being on the corner of Howard and Navarro after dark. I watched a lady ask her son for a knife from the kitchen during a barbecue and when he brought it to her she stabbed his father with it, in front of me and the rest of us, for calling her a bitch. I watched a Junior High teacher beat unconscious with a crutch for defending a girl who was getting her pussy grabbed in the hallway in 7th grade. I watched my father beat my brother and I with a chair in 3rd grade. I watched Los Angeles burn from the drivers seat of my truck on Crenshaw Blvd while the cops wisely kept moving and the firefighters had to cower due to gunshots. I watched the Arcadia police department turn an attempted murder that was occultic related into a breaking and entering because those things dont happen in this extremly rich white neighborhood. I watched Pasadena lock itself in and arm itself when Richard Ramirez made his rounds thru Hastings Ranch where I lived. I watched the power of street cred effect the mindset of gullible people because my Uncle Roger killed 6 men and never did time for it but instead died of cancer. I watched my mother fail to deal with her issues of being involved with abusive men, one of which raped her repeatedly and tried to rip her uterus out. He never did time for it either. I saw a shooting in the park on post at Fort Campbell KY at the 101st airborne division, alcohol related, black on black, over shit talk between two soldiers, one of whom was in my platoon. I saw military justice taking place over a daytime rape of a woman soldier in my Aviation Battalion in the stairwell of our barracks by two sergeants she knew. I sat at my own cofee table and listend to a cop explain to me that I needed to move because the Vato that I stopped while beating his girlfreinds ass in my apartment parking lot would be getting out of jail soon and they had neither the resources nor the inclination to patrol my area even though he and his freinds tried to smash in my door with baseball bats to get to me.

I didint see any of those things on tv or read about them in the paper and I never once felt safe as a child. I also did not experience these things in one neighborhood either. These sorts of things presented themselves to me in both Northern and Southern California, thru 9 homes, 6 elementary schools, two Jr High Schools, three high schools, a tour in the military and then again upon my return to the real world.

Some things are just not as simple as you'd like to make them sound.

[BrassFusion]

nothing you just said supports the idea that the world was less violent "back in the day" than it is now.

[Steven]

nothing you just said supports the idea that the world was less violent "back in the day" than it is now.

Yeah, I dont really care what you just said Erin.

If it helps us to stay on track, I was asked by Syn, (a generalization) if I've ever experienced this sort of human condition up front as opposed to noting it 2nd hand via the media from a safe distance. Of course it was presented in a rather flippant manner because she is a learned person and I'm just a grunt.

But yes, I have, in spades, which fucking sucks to be quite honest with you.

And I also think, that this deterioration is increasing. And I'm not going to make that kind of statement based on statistics or studies that I've read, although I sometimes wonder how that feels, this paper conviction.

[sinmantyx]

Yeah, I dont really care what you just said Erin.

If it helps us to stay on track, I was asked by Syn, (a generalization) if I've ever experienced this sort of human condition up front as opposed to noting it 2nd hand via the media from a safe distance. Of course it was presented in a rather flippant manner because she is a learned person and I'm just a grunt.

But yes, I have, in spades, which fucking sucks to be quite honest with you.

And I also think, that this deterioration is increasing. And I'm not going to make that kind of statement based on statistics or studies that I've read, although I sometimes wonder how that feels, this paper conviction.

Yeah, should have realized you had probably seen some sort of "duel" situation. I know that still goes on...but it's definitely not as acceptable as it once was. At one point, it was considered quite civilized. As far as the mistreatment of women: I'm just happy rape isn't considered a property crime anymore.

It's not that violence is non-existent and never touches any of us "these days"...I haven't been completely isolated from it myself. However, the idea that the world is deteriorating and that the past was somehow less violent is simply untrue.

It anything, our attitudes toward violence has changed. War is no longer simple glory. Rape is no longer considered a man's right or a reasonable aspect of a relationship. Beating your wife and children is not an expectation. We no longer romanticize or tolerate violence in the ways we used to: as a culture.

When people assert that things are so much worse now: they sometimes have some sort of agenda to say that our culture is headed in the wrong direction.: that we need to turn around and embrace social aspects of the past or continue suffering the consequences.

If it gives you comfort to think that the world was less violent at some point in the past, because you've been confronted with violence so often in the present: I guess that works for you.

I would rather find comfort in the fact that, although human beings have the capacity to do great harm and harbor great evil...the majority of people are not rapists and murderers. Groups that years ago would be at each others throats on-sight peacefully co-exist every day. It's not considered reasonable to own another human being. The situations you described certainly invoke disgust in almost anyone who hears them.

There are certainly times in the past where almost anyone who heard the stories would not be concerned.

[BrassFusion]

you can't "feel" that something quantifiable is true just like you can't submit as factual things that can't be tested. it sucks that you've been subject to so much violence. i, personally, have not. and i've spent a shitload of my life in one of the most violent cities in america (supposedly). there are almost seven billion different perspectives on the level of violence now as opposed to a hundred years ago and very few of them will have any credible basis in reality.

things are better in a lot of ways. while it's true that technologies and social advances cause problems of their own, the benefits have been outweighing the negatives lately.

in MY opinion. heh.

[sinmantyx]

...she is a learned person and I'm just a grunt.

...and would you stop with that! Just because I have a bunch of initials after my name doesn't automatically make whatever I say more valid.

Heck: half the research I do when chatting on these boards is done with a google search or two. You have a wealth of life-experience that I simply do not have, and I certainly respect the opinions you have even though I sometimes do not share them.

[sinmantyx]

in MY opinion. heh.

Maybe it's because we're girls who remember watching "romantic" scene in soap operas and movies when we were a child that were depictions of rape. I know that sticks in my mind. ...and in that vein: John Wayne movies can kiss my ass.

I once had an evangelical woman come to my door. She was black. She went on-and-on about how horrible things were "these days" and how this was a sign of the end times. (...and no Steven, I'm not putting you in the same category: I have no idea what your personal views on this are.)

I looked at her kinda funny...and part of me just wanted to say: "Um...you're a black woman." However, I knew saying such a thing would be really rude. I realize it would be a bit racist, sexist and presumptive to assume she had certain sensibilities. I admit, however, I found it incredibly ironic...as she stood on the steps of a house that, when it was built, was zoned "white only".

My mind kept thinking of what I would say if I didn't have my "polite filter" engaged. I just didn't understand how the modern problem of children disrespecting their elders was worse than slavery, forced segregation and secret sterilization by state-sponsored eugenicists...not to mention rivers running red with blood during the civil war, millions of people dying of the plague, etc, so forth...

I don't get it: do people just have selective memories or what?

[sinmantyx]

Oh yeah: to bring this back on topic.

Possible remedy for student writing offensive essay back in the day:

Beat him with a stick that has smaller diameter than your thumb.

(Even wonder where the phrase "rule of thumb" comes from? Linguists aren't completely certain, but the idea makes an interesting tie-in to the rest of the thread.)

What am I thinking?! He's an Asian-American -- what the fuck is he doing in school? Shouldn't he be working on a railroad or something?

[Steven]

Yeah, should have realized you had probably seen some sort of "duel" situation. I know that still goes on...but it's definitely not as acceptable as it once was. At one point, it was considered quite civilized. As far as the mistreatment of women: I'm just happy rape isn't considered a property crime anymore.

It's not that violence is non-existent and never touches any of us "these days"...I haven't been completely isolated from it myself. However, the idea that the world is deteriorating and that the past was somehow less violent is simply untrue.

It anything, our attitudes toward violence has changed. War is no longer simple glory. Rape is no longer considered a man's right or a reasonable aspect of a relationship. Beating your wife and children is not an expectation. We no longer romanticize or tolerate violence in the ways we used to: as a culture.

When people assert that things are so much worse now: they sometimes have some sort of agenda to say that our culture is headed in the wrong direction.: that we need to turn around and embrace social aspects of the past or continue suffering the consequences.

If it gives you comfort to think that the world was less violent at some point in the past, because you've been confronted with violence so often in the present: I guess that works for you.

I would rather find comfort in the fact that, although human beings have the capacity to do great harm and harbor great evil...the majority of people are not rapists and murderers. Groups that years ago would be at each others throats on-sight peacefully co-exist every day. It's not considered reasonable to own another human being. The situations you described certainly invoke disgust in almost anyone who hears them.

There are certainly times in the past where almost anyone who heard the stories would not be concerned.

it doesent give me comfort. it doesent work for me. it disturbs me.

[Steven]

...and would you stop with that! Just because I have a bunch of initials after my name doesn't automatically make whatever I say more valid.

Heck: half the research I do when chatting on these boards is done with a google search or two. You have a wealth of life-experience that I simply do not have, and I certainly respect the opinions you have even though I sometimes do not share them.

its the delivery the gets me Syn. Although I know I am sometimes guilty of it myself.

[Steven]

Maybe it's because we're girls who remember watching "romantic" scene in soap operas and movies when we were a child that were depictions of rape. I know that sticks in my mind. ...and in that vein: John Wayne movies can kiss my ass.

I once had an evangelical woman come to my door. She was black. She went on-and-on about how horrible things were "these days" and how this was a sign of the end times. (...and no Steven, I'm not putting you in the same category: I have no idea what your personal views on this are.)

I looked at her kinda funny...and part of me just wanted to say: "Um...you're a black woman." However, I knew saying such a thing would be really rude. I realize it would be a bit racist, sexist and presumptive to assume she had certain sensibilities. I admit, however, I found it incredibly ironic...as she stood on the steps of a house that, when it was built, was zoned "white only".

My mind kept thinking of what I would say if I didn't have my "polite filter" engaged. I just didn't understand how the modern problem of children disrespecting their elders was worse than slavery, forced segregation and secret sterilization by state-sponsored eugenicists...not to mention rivers running red with blood during the civil war, millions of people dying of the plague, etc, so forth...

I don't get it: do people just have selective memories or what?

she was very probably a Jehovah's Witness.

she was playing the same mental tape that has been played for many many years.

its designed to trigger the fear factor in you, and then later on if you show potential the fear factor is re-admitted in the form of Armegeddon.

if she was a JW, the black woman thing would have flown over her head.

Because she's been trained to ask specific questions and give specific ansers as appointed by a publisher in Jersy and New York. She is taught - NOT - to think for herself.

and I wish you would have made that comment anyway. PC or not - sometimes you need to stri things to get the juices flowing.

[Steven]

you can't "feel" that something quantifiable is true just like you can't submit as factual things that can't be tested. it sucks that you've been subject to so much violence. i, personally, have not. and i've spent a shitload of my life in one of the most violent cities in america (supposedly). there are almost seven billion different perspectives on the level of violence now as opposed to a hundred years ago and very few of them will have any credible basis in reality.

things are better in a lot of ways. while it's true that technologies and social advances cause problems of their own, the benefits have been outweighing the negatives lately.

in MY opinion. heh.

and yet we cling to certain perspectives, seek out certain data, and attatch ourselves to certain agendas, based on how it makes us feel.

even you do this my braniac friend.

[BrassFusion]

and yet we cling to certain perspectives, seek out certain data, and attatch ourselves to certain agendas, based on how it makes us feel.

even you do this my braniac friend.

cocaine make me feel good, so I support its decriminalization. heh. yep. gay people in massachusettes getting married really affects me somehow, deep at my core, so I support that too. feeling guilty about the environment is one of my favorite pastimes, so i believe those stupid stories about global warming.

i also enjoy looking at pictures of mangled fetuses. that gives me a tingly feeling. so i support abortion.

[Steven]

cocaine make me feel good, so I support its decriminalization. heh. yep. gay people in massachusettes getting married really affects me somehow, deep at my core, so I support that too. feeling guilty about the environment is one of my favorite pastimes, so i believe those stupid stories about global warming.

i also enjoy looking at pictures of mangled fetuses. that gives me a tingly feeling. so i support abortion.

And being a snot disguised as being clever apparently makes you feel good too.

[sinmantyx]

And being a snot disguised as being clever apparently makes you feel good too.

I know it makes me feel special!

[sinmantyx]

she was very probably a Jehovah's Witness.

she was playing the same mental tape that has been played for many many years.

its designed to trigger the fear factor in you, and then later on if you show potential the fear factor is re-admitted in the form of Armegeddon.

if she was a JW, the black woman thing would have flown over her head.

Because she's been trained to ask specific questions and give specific ansers as appointed by a publisher in Jersy and New York. She is taught - NOT - to think for herself.

and I wish you would have made that comment anyway. PC or not - sometimes you need to stri things to get the juices flowing.

I know. My mother studied with them for a short period of time, and I certainly have had experiences with people (from various denominations and religions) who are extremely pre-programmed.

I did take her creationist literature though. I really get a kick out of that stuff. I have the longest conversations with my brother who has been interested in "creation-science" for a long time.

-we are so off-topic-

Anyhow, I hope the young man who wrote the essay pulls through this alright. He seems to have the support of his fellow students and is doing himself favors by explaining that his intent was not to alarm anyone.

This is what happens when you tell someone to take down their filters.

[Steven]

I know it makes me feel special!

ok I admit I laughed at this one.....