Live Nukes Transported Across Us

[know_buddy_kares]

Actually, they are normally transported by truck or train as per international treaty's signed during the Cold War era.

As to why they were being moved... they were not supposed to be being moved. They were supposed to have been removed from the missiles they were on and put in storage. The missiles were being transported to a disposal facility to be decommissioned and destroyed as part of one of the various disarmament treaty's we have signed. The advanced cruise missles they were on were designed for nukes and can't be used for converntional warheads. So, they have to be destroyed.

Dude, not trying to call you out or anything, but the military is extremely STRICT about transporting ALL nuclear supplies by air, NOT land. It's safety reasons. CIVILIANS transport nuclear stuff by land. I have enough military officer friends to be in the know about this. And isn't it quite funny...

Presidential order #51... look it up everyone... the elections are comming soon, and it seems that there's all of a sudden reports of "terrorists" coming back to blow us up from their "6 year catnap" just before the elections where Bush cannot get reelected, the focus on going to war with Iran now hits, the whitehouse security getting reenforced with a few thousand extra reservists, and now nukes being moved? It may be a tin foil hat theory, but the possibility of this actually happening is too close for my comfort.

[Head Wreck]

well that was a balls up. but its not an uncommon thing.

yanks used to transport nukes by air often in europe during the cold war. someone i know, ex RAF was trained by USAF to basically follow a flightpath as it flew over the UK and cordon of the area/take charge if the plane was downed for some reason.

in this day and age i should see no reason why these things should be moved about. allthough we recently had to dispatch Typhoons to intercept and escorty a Bear out of our airspace. more sabre rattling from the russian federation

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

In 1975 the Transportation Safeguards Division of the Department of Energy was created. They have one job. They are responsible for the transport of all nuclear weapons, components and special nuclear materials (including waste). They transport said materials with specially designed 18wheel trucks.

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Speaking of tin hats. The real funny shit is the tin hat theory going around that we are moving nukes to get ready for a strike on iran... um... no. we don;t need to move anything to strike Iran. I would wager a large sum we already have them targets with subs of the coast. Why the hell would we go to all the cost of moving a Nuke from somewhere here in the states when we have them within range from subs in the Indian ocean or air bases and silos around Europe? Iran has been a primary target for a long time.

[Head Wreck]

i hope to god therel be no nukes used as regards iran.

[nilhil_glory]

any news on our having b52s in the air flying over western europe with nukes as was in the cold war?... i know for a fact russia has nuclear armed bombers flying around 24/7

also I hope this doesnt start the fallout shelter craze that happend in the 50s - 60s

that might actually be one thing to get the economy going again with people buying construction materials and building ....

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[freydis]

Good grief.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

HW, Israel and France have both threatened to use nukes on Iran.

nihil, Russia has indeed started to fly thier bombers again. I don't like it a bit. I don't think it will start a bomb shelter craze again though.

[Msterbeau]

HW, Israel and France have both threatened to use nukes on Iran.

nihil, Russia has indeed started to fly thier bombers again. I don't like it a bit. I don't think it will start a bomb shelter craze again though.

Don't forget to duck and cover. That's very helpful in a nuclear holocaust.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

depends on how far you are from the blast really... If you close enough to the blast to need to duck and cover... you dead. Duck and cover just delays the time it takes to die.

personally... I'm going to open my arms and embrace a quick death in the walls of fire rather than the slow and horrible death that radiation sickness brings.

[know_buddy_kares]

sorry, but honestly, that's the way you came across this time - that was my first impression. if you don't want people to assume, you should make an extra effort to make sure the point you're making is *crystal* clear.

that being said, i wasn't too impressed when i read this - i know i'm going to die someday, and it makes no difference to me whether it's from a wayward nuclear bomb, or a homicidal mainiac, or a bad batch of spinach... what am i gonna do - freak out at everything? i don't think so...

See, I'm not afraid of what I could die from, it's what I could live through that scares the shit out of me.

And as far as gaf is saying with the nuclear stuff... dude wake up, have you noticed the government really doesn't follow the rules it makes? The military does NOT transport nukes by ground. It's top secret operations by default when it happens, just these 6 were leaked out, but it happens alot more often than you'd think. Since it's top secret, you're not going to be able to find anything that says yes, this is an actual practice. But from my involvement with people that were in and around that stuff, anytime they needed to move it from one base to the next for whatever reason, it was done by air.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Dude, I am awake. You beleive what you want to beleive. Nothing I can say will change that, but I would like to leave you with a few notes.

A. I had a rather high security clearance during my 8 years in the Army. You really have no idea what I do and do not know about military operations.

B. Anyone you know who claims to be invovled with nuclear weapons and talks about it is either a liar or really really fucking our national security. Your pick on which it is.

[Scary Guy]

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh." - George Bernard Shaw

[know_buddy_kares]

Dude, I am awake. You beleive what you want to beleive. Nothing I can say will change that, but I would like to leave you with a few notes.

A. I had a rather high security clearance during my 8 years in the Army. You really have no idea what I do and do not know about military operations.

B. Anyone you know who claims to be invovled with nuclear weapons and talks about it is either a liar or really really fucking our national security. Your pick on which it is.

Same goes for you, I was in the Military alot more recently than you were. And any Involvement I had in this subject, it would always be done by air. I'm just going by what I've seen dude. And when you actually think about it, going by air would be the most secure way of doing it. It really is a "no duh" practice.

[machine]

You know, I was really expecting someone to have blamed this on Bush by now....

I know he could not have controlled the happenings that lead to this... but as with so many other events that happen without his control and yet he still gets the blame, I was fully expecting SOMEONE on here to blame the President by now...

On Topic:

It was a mistake. They said so. If this was common practice, do you think you would have heard about it? Nope.

A mistake was made, and it was reported on. Plain and Simple.

[TrixieGothGirl]

Actually, flying nuclear weapons should make you happy, it could be worse, they could transport them by truck. To be quite honest, if they absolutely had to transport these nukes, I'm glad they did it by plane. It's amost impossible to attack to gain control of nukes when they're being flown as opposed to truckin them. The pilots and crew are military members that know eachother well, so some new terrorist can't sneak in as part of the crew or whatever. In these flights, there's no passengers, you either are doing a job, with a well known crew, or you're not up there flying.

Still though, I do wanna bring up the question that what really was the practical purpose of moving them to begin with?

IMO, no other reason than war.

I am very happy to hear that. What I don't like is that the politicians wanted to house the nukes right here in Nv at Yuca Mountain. No one ever wants something like that in their backyard. *yikes*

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

You mean the Nuclear waste dump proposed for Yucca Mountain? They would not be storing actual bombs there, spent fual rods and radiocative medical waste.. but not bombs.

Why would you care about that? I mean... it's in the middle of the nuclear bomb testing grounds. I'm surprised the area doens't glow already for them. and if your downwind from the area.. well... you prolly glow a bit.

[TrixieGothGirl]

I, myself am not really concerned about it, but a while back there was a big uproar about storing that stuff at Yuca Mountain. People in this state do not want it here. It doesn't matter where in Nv that we live.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It surprises me. I mean, over 1000 nukes were setoff in NV back in the 50 and 60's. The storage facility is right in the middle of where are that testing was done... how much worse could it get than how it is now?

[angusfergus]

I believe that if we lived in a system that allowed these things it would be a good idea. But currently we live in an Oligarcy...

Polity, not Oligarchy.

[angusfergus]

It surprises me. I mean, over 1000 nukes were setoff in NV back in the 50 and 60's. The storage facility is right in the middle of where are that testing was done... how much worse could it get than how it is now?

Most people who live in Nevada are ignorant about nuclear testing done in the 50s and 60s, and are probably more concerned about 'spent rods' being code for 'active warheads' or something.