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Hmm. The 'child health care' bill was based mainly on a ridiculous hike in cigarette taxes. You do know that a large number of poor people are addicted to cigarettes right? So what we gets is either poor people now struggle even worse, or we get people quitting smoking. Now the second is a perfectly desirable situation, except that once people start quitting, where does the tax revenue come from? It is irresponsible to base something so important as child health care on something like taxing smoking. It would be better to increase the gas tax to come up with the same kind of revenue; people more capable of paying taxes will be the ones paying more taxes.

Then again, Congressional Democrats haven't really shown that they care who is being taxed at a high rate, so long as it's everybody.

True that. It's not the rich or middle class paying for this (well some middle class I suppose) it's the damn poor people. So I'm not sure how that is supposed to help, forcing poor people to pay for their own expensive medical insurance instead of giving any kind of option. If they quit than the health insurance goes away, if they smoke than they can't afford either. Reeeeeeeal good logic there by our government :rolleyes:

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Blaming the woman for trying to keep education, health care, and everything else that we as a society have decided is the province of state government in the black is rather silly. Moreover, she is constitutionally mandated to have a balanced budget.

SHE SAID SHE WOULD RAISE TAXES WHEN SHE RAN AGAINST DeVos. People elected her with a 56 per cent win. People got what they voted for.

Taxes are lower than they were under Engler. The increase in taxes equates to about a dollar a day. Hell, that IS 365 dollars a year, but since they are spread out over the paychecks, If you are a weekly check earner, that's seven less dollars per check.

I can cut seven dollars out of my budget. If YOU can't, chances are, you are getting money FROM the state...

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The state government as a whole over the last 10-15 years has been faced with unemployment issues some got higher and some were able to help lower it . No politician has it easy these days. I really wouldn't want their job and perhaps my personal unemployment issues has made me jaded. For that I apologize. I am not republican or democrat by nature but just vote for who I feel would be the best person for the job republican,democrat,independent or some other party.

Granholm has still made some bad choices and things need to change for the better.

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I cannot stand living in Michigan anymore... if re-elected I will need to start riding my bicycle that I do not have to work...cuz she is def. going to want to hike them taxes higher than gosh only knows right now. how awful.

NO! DON'T RIDE A BIKE!! SHE WILL ADD A FUEL TAX TO FOOD!!!

Oh for those that say you are not going to vote for her next time, you are one of two things:

1. You are a moron that has no clue about term limits.

2. You are an asshole that knows she can't run again.

YES YES YES SHE CANT RUIN(not a typo) FOR ANOTHER TERM!!!

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I've voted democrat, and I've voted republican. I want my votes back. Yeah, I am quite displease with our governor. Because an elected official does a poor job doesn't mean they won't get reelected. Take a look at Kwame, Bush, and Granholm. Lot's more where they came from. I'm gonna go have an angry bm and calm down.

Hey, Hey Governor Granholm. Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!!!

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In the summer of 2001, my husband and I were on a trip up to the UP to see it "one last time" before we were to move out of state the following March. Our ultimate destination was the Porcupine mountains at the far west of the state.

When we were just about to enter Munising, site of Munising falls where we were married in 1998, our car threw a rod. We limped into Munising, and got into a service station, where we were informed that the car was DOA.

With only about $800, no vehicle, and miles and miles away from any friends or family, we were in a panic as to what we were going to do. We entered a pub/restaurant intending to find a yellow pages to make some calls. That's when "a woman" who was purported to be intending to run for governor walked by with her entourage. Inwardly, I started brainstorming the possibility of sobbing our story to her, and seeing if she would - even as a publicity stunt - help us out somehow. Rent us a car, anything.

It was Jennifer Granholm. And I pussed out. We ended up spending about $600 of our $800 on a used mini-van that someone sold us cheap out of pity, and used the rest of the money on one night's stay at a cheap motel and gas to go right back home.

I wish I'd have appealed to her. I will wonder the rest of my life what might have happened if I had.

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Not sure i ever read anything saying "i love X politician" until after they were gone. Don't know enough about granholm's actions to comment properly (and i pay pretty close attention to the news, its just a lot more complicated than what the headlines tell you to really know the ins and outs of what a particular politician has and hasn't done) Universally though , anything positive a politician ever does is just ignored, and the negatives amplified.

Economics is something that takes a long time to develop often we incorrectly associate the current economic state with whatever politician happens to be in office. The massive forces at work aren't particularly attributed to any single person , its just to complex and takes too long to develop.

Also often we tend to make judgements based on what affects just our own little lives. When making such a massive decision as who is going to run a state, "the whole" needs to be more important than just how it affects us personally.

Personally, being dirt-poor (and when i say dirt-poor i mean, dirt poor, at least in terms of the USA) I'd like lots of government handouts. I'd prefer politicians that didn't endorce more supports for the poor via government (read tax payer) money. If people want to help out poor people, let them. Don't make it a manditory drain on the economy. Lots and lots and LOTS of studies have shown, poor people just make more poor people. Despite me being a "poor person" i don't want any MORE poor people. Squalor sucks, the motivation to get out of the squalor is the squalor. If you make it easy to "live with" the squalor on anything other than a short-term basis, people just have babies and make more squalor dependant babies.

Me PERSONALLY , i could use some government subsidies increases, but i think its bad for the overall health of the economy and long-term welfare of mankind. (Just mean this as an example of what i mean by taking the big picture into account rather than just my own personal picture) I don't mean to say I'm RIGHT about this specific conclusion, but i think the premise is the correct one.

Didn't actually get to this post until just now, that link is broke.

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