Why Do I Get The Feeling That People Hate Children?

[Homicidalheathen]

Ya gotta remember this in inflicting laws on peoples rights when it comes to birthing children........

Consider abortion in the following four situations?

1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. She finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?

3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

_____________________ANSWERS____________________

If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:

In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.

In the second case, you have just killed Beethoven.

In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.

If you said yes to the fourth case,

YOU HAVE JUST DECLARED THE MURDER OF JESUS CHRIST.

Concerning Laws <> Consider the Case

Classes maybe, yes. But laws....or lisence......no.

I am pro choice, for everyone but me. personally I could never kill something growing inside me, but I was very careful not to get pregnant before I was ready.....I know this is a anti abortion message sort of joke but it applies here.

This is what I find strange. I tried to adopt......they said I didn't make enough money. Well, I didn't really.....it was like 10 grand (I lived in AZ at the time doing hair...) total for all the fee's and stuff at the time.....in the 80's AZ had some strange adoption laws.....I hear it got better.

so I did the next best thing and got pregnant.......hey........its free. They also at the time did not like to give kids to single women who lived in 1 bedroom apartments.

However, I have raised two (twins) beautiful girls who have never done drugs and make str8 a's for the most part and are not violent and crazy. So........why was I not allowed to adopt? It doesn't make any sense to me. Rather some kid sits in a foster home with probably 9 other kids and may be abused or neglected......like thats better???

I hear single women are allowed to adopt more and more now.....which is good. Why bring more kids into the world when there are already enough homeless ones.......?

[Destroit]

Yeah, but a parent should not have to smack their kid, to get them to behave.If the child is raised properly, then the child will not behave in such a way that spanking could be deemed neccesary.

If they resort to violence, then the kid will always fear the parent, and carry that fear into adulthood, adversely affecting the relationships they get into.

Mmmmm I'm more old school, I have to disagree with yer theories. Notice how our parents and their parents and their parent's parents behaved? Also...notice how back then you could spank children? Coincidence? Unlikely.

Also, it's not violence, it's respect. We're not talking about beating your kid into a bloody pulp, that would be violence. Having your kid over your lap, giving them a light spank, then explaining why they received that spank so that the child cuts out the crap? That is respect. Fear = respect in some instances, they go hand and hand like peanut butter & jelly, macaroni & cheese, bling & bling, and you know what? There's nothing wrong with driving a little respect into someone through fear. Fear is healthy, nobody should be walking around thinking they're invincible because they definately aren't.

I mean what the fuck does grounding do? "Go to your room for an hour! (so you can play with your toys and uhmm sit in a room filled with fun stuff to do)" Yeah...'cause that's punishment right there.

[creatureofthenyte]

Mmmmm I'm more old school, I have to disagree with yer theories. Notice how our parents and their parents and their parent's parents behaved? Also...notice how back then you could spank children? Coincidence? Unlikely.

Also, it's not violence, it's respect. We're not talking about beating your kid into a bloody pulp, that would be violence. Having your kid over your lap, giving them a light spank, then explaining why they received that spank so that the child cuts out the crap? That is respect. Fear = respect in some instances, they go hand and hand like peanut butter & jelly, macaroni & cheese, bling & bling, and you know what? There's nothing wrong with driving a little respect into someone through fear. Fear is healthy, nobody should be walking around thinking they're invincible because they definately aren't.

I mean what the fuck does grounding do? "Go to your room for an hour! (so you can play with your toys and uhmm sit in a room filled with fun stuff to do)" Yeah...'cause that's punishment right there.

I can see your viewpoint, even though I disagree with it. However, like I had said in a reply to Steven, I believe it should be the decision of each individual parent as to whether or not to spank their kid. My sister and her husband, don't spank my nephew. Whenever he misbehaves to an extent where they feel punishment is neccessary, what they do with him is: they take away something he enjoys, which could be a number of different things. This has proven highly effective with my nephew. I also recognize that each kid/family is different. And what works for one parent with their kid, may not work for another. For me though, if I were a parent, taking something away from my kid, like a toy for example, as a means of punishing him/her for misbehavior would be the course of action that I would choose to take. I do not believe in spanking.

Steven, this was essentially the jist of what I had originally intended to say, but didn't because the words came out wrong..

[Steven]

I can see your viewpoint, even though I disagree with it. However, like I had said in a reply to Steven, I believe it should be the decision of each individual parent as to whether or not to spank their kid. My sister and her husband, don't spank my nephew. Whenever he misbehaves to an extent where they feel punishment is neccessary, what they do with him is: they take away something he enjoys, which could be a number of different things. This has proven highly effective with my nephew. I also recognize that each kid/family is different. And what works for one parent with their kid, may not work for another. For me though, if I were a parent, taking something away from my kid, like a toy for example, as a means of punishing him/her for misbehavior would be the course of action that I would choose to take. I do not believe in spanking.

Steven, this was essentially the jist of what I had originally intended to say, but didn't because the words came out wrong..

I know that Dude, and its fine, I was not offended and Im cool with yoru point of view, I understand it. I too am "old school" and I agree with chernobyl on this one in terms of the simplicity of the end result being respect. No it does nto work in every situation but in some situations it works quickly and effectively - especially in a house with multiple children (there were 6 kids in my home).

[pharoh]

Please refer to my link above about the spanking...I am definately an advocate when it is needed. We are way to much of a coddled society and kids are given way to much slack period. Like Chernoble and Steven, I am old school. I was raised old school and you know what? I make more money than almost everyone my age, I have what I feel is a great set of morals and values, I'm not a druggie or a drunk, and I am a responsible contributing member of society.

Now I feel parenting classes should be mandatory, but only if as a majority we the people setup the standards, not the the goverment. I am appalledby the fact people here think that there should be "Laws" and "Licenses". I don't care if you have no kids or a hundred....the last thing I want is to be regulated even more by a flawed goverment. All that is doing is setting the people up for more and more of a communistic society and thats just idiotic.

If parents in general would not drop the ball when it came to raising thier children than we wouldn't have this problem. I am going to copy and paste a blog I written awhile ago that I think is relevant to this entire subject matter. If the mods don't think it is then go ahead and remove it and I will open a new thread for discussion, no worries.

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I have been thinking alot lately....about how people are today compared to people back in the day....basicly, society in general. It seems today that a majority of people of have no sense of respect, curtesy, decency and common sense. Everyone is out for themselves, and out to make a quick buck. Our morals, values, and ideals are the results of watered down generations of mothers and and fathers who "Don't want to be like thier parents".

And where does that get us? Well the proof is in the puddin. Just look at the kids today....We live in a society where we are basicly scared to discipline our own children for in fear of being put in jail for abuse....Well I guarantee if you asked the children of today one simple question: "Are you afraid of your parents"? I bet at least 80% of kids today will say no. Personally I think it's good to be afraid of your parents, and so what if your kids will not like you as much growing up....I have an idea, man up and do whats right, who cares if your the cool mom or not, raise your fucking brats proper. You have responsibilities as a parent, do them or don't fucking breed.

I don't care if this makes me sound old or if people don't agree with me. I don't have children, I admit...but if I did I would do everything in my power to make sure they were raised with a good set of core values and respect for others. If they turn out fuck ups, then at least I would of done everything I could of to give them a chance in life to grow up with something most people don't have now adays....see above if you don't know what they are...If you still don't know what they maybee a little bit re-evaluation of one's life might do ya some good.

[TygerLili]

I also HATE when people bring their babies into work for everyone to hold and gush over.

I understand that you've just had a life changing event. If you're happy about it then I am truly happy for you, but I don't want to hold your baby. It makes me uncomfortable, I feel like I am supposed to start cooing "Gitchy gitchy goo" nonsense for the next ten minutes. I don't really like babies. I understand that that we were all babies once, and that to have kids you have to have babies first, but to me they are not cute and they don't do anything but cry and poop. Further more, I don't want your baby to spit up or wipe snot on me or give me it's germs, nor do I want to get it sick with my germs.

When a baby is brought into the work place, it's generally accepted for men to just make some comment like "Aw, how cute!" or "Way to go!" and keep walking. Women, however, it seems are expected to go nuts. When I pass by saying "Aw, how cute!" on the way back to my desk I know the women are all thinking what a bitch I am.

Sorry if I've offended anyone. I don't begrudge anyone the right to have a baby and be proud, but please don't ever ask me to hold it. At this point in my life I don't think that I will ever want kids, but I've always said that if I ever do change my mind I will adopt a kid that's old enough to walk and talk.

[jadnifer]

Ok...here are my thoughts on this issue.

I do like children. Some are annoying yes...but thats what kids do. However...the parenting also plays a huge role in how a child turns out. Heres some examples:

When I was a child...I got spanked when my parents thought that I deserved it. I even remember getting smacked in the mouth a couple of times. Im no worse for wear. I respect my parents and I came out just fine. If they would have let me go thinking that when I did something wrong that it was okay...I would probably be some kind of a drug addict or in jail or something by now.

I was watching an episode of Yes, Dear. If you are not familiar with what it is it is basically two married couples and the wifes are sisters living in the same house and they both have two children. One episode the oldest boy..Dominic started lying and they couldnt figure out how to get him to stop. First they tried just sending him to his room and that didnt work. Then they tried taking toys away from him and that didnt work. Then they thought that maybe spanking would work and they had this hge debate over whether or not it was right to do that or not and they tried doing it and that didnt work. One day the dad told his son that if he didnt lie all day that he would be able to go to the racetrack with him. He lied while he was at work. The mother told the father when he got home and Dominic comes out of his room all ready to go and his dad says that they arent going. Dominic says but you said that we were going to go..and his dad said...I LIED!!! It doesnt feel good does it? Dominic realized what he was doing and his dad left without him. I think that the punishment needs to fit the crime...or NO the child will NOT learn.

As far as children go...I do not hate them. When I get my life fully together I hope to have one or two someday. I dont think its right when people ask why you dont have children yet. That is a personal decision and ultimately NONE of their business. I also dont think its right when people are expected to gush over babies...I do but not everyone does...again its a personal decision and should be respected.