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If you actually have the time to read all this, and want to comment on it, I'd love to discuss this with anyone with an open mind.....

Me (6:15:49 PM): most people are just worthless.

Me (6:16:31 PM): they can't even manage their own lives. they worry more about relationships than their future.

Me (6:16:36 PM): goals, dreams, ambitions.

Me (6:16:38 PM): all wasted.

Amy (6:17:18 PM): well no one is better than anyone else kevin

Amy (6:17:25 PM): some people just have more advantages

Me (6:17:27 PM): i don't know i disagree. i used to think like that.

Me (6:17:35 PM): but when you see everyday.

Me (6:17:47 PM): that people don't care about themselves or their country.

Me (6:17:51 PM): it's hard to hold to that opinion.

Me (6:18:07 PM): if better is equivalent to value, then what determines a persons worth?

Amy (6:18:49 PM): its the outside factors that changed how the people act.

Amy (6:18:54 PM): does it matter?

Me (6:18:32 PM): not really.

Me (6:18:39 PM): what matters is knowing this and trying to do something about it.

Amy (6:19:14 PM): my point exactly.

Me (6:18:43 PM): wake people up,.

Amy (6:19:21 PM): I just wish people were more nice.

Me (6:18:57 PM): me too hon.

Me (6:19:05 PM): i'm nice to everyone. i go out of my way for people.

Me (6:19:07 PM): and i get fucked.

Amy (6:19:54 PM): Im going to school to help people, well to help them more than I can now.

Amy (6:20:00 PM): yep, thats what usually happens sadly.

Me (6:19:49 PM): maybe this makes me more worthless.

Me (6:19:55 PM): because i continue to do so.

Me (6:19:58 PM): knowing full well.

Me (6:20:00 PM): the consequences.

Amy (6:20:36 PM): worth doesn't factor

Amy (6:20:40 PM): stupidity might.

Me (6:20:28 PM): eh possibly, but i'd rather be a decent stupid person, than a dickhead.

Me (6:20:55 PM): i'd rather be a decent poor beggar than a bastard rich king

Amy (6:22:25 PM): I would too.

Me (6:22:28 PM): it seems people are more interested in proving that God does not exist, because of what our ancestors did to religion, lhan they are about their own souls. love of money is our American God.

Me (6:23:09 PM): i can disprove evolution, because there's no fucking way possible organic material can come from inorganic material period.

Me (6:23:15 PM): there is no frankenstein cell.

Me (6:23:22 PM): so what?

Amy (6:23:56 PM): i still believe in evolution

Amy (6:24:02 PM): and nothing in science is ever proven

Me (6:24:03 PM): well yes i didn't mean necessarily evolution, however that is a basis for any argument.

Me (6:24:10 PM): i don't believe we evolved from something else.

Me (6:24:15 PM): maybe other animals.

Me (6:24:18 PM): but we have no link.....

Me (6:24:24 PM): billions of people in this world.

Me (6:24:30 PM): yet we can't find a link to a common ancestor?

Me (6:24:33 PM): doesn't make sense.

Amy (6:25:35 PM): its just a mammal

Me (6:25:02 PM): why the fuck can we find all these hominid species.

Amy (6:25:43 PM): I think people dont actually understand evolution

Me (6:25:09 PM): but not one that links us to them?

Amy (6:25:58 PM): see, a lot of people get their thoughts from wannabes

Me (6:25:35 PM): yeah =/

Me (6:25:56 PM): i don't believe we're native to Earth. whether that means we came from Heaven or another planet doesn't matter.

Me (6:26:10 PM): if we are from another planet.

Me (6:26:21 PM): there's no reason we wouldn't have common DNA on Earth.

Me (6:26:25 PM): if there was a big bang.

Me (6:26:32 PM): and we have common elements in this universe.

Me (6:26:35 PM): such as Hydrogen.

Me (6:26:39 PM): the most common element

Me (6:26:56 PM): then why do we think we must be from here and that in the vastness of space

Me (6:27:02 PM): no other planet can support life.

Me (6:27:31 PM): so of course we'd have common DNA. because we were made from the same explosion.

Me (6:28:02 PM): i just don't believe that. science has it's uses, but those uses fall short when explaining our existence.

Me (6:29:11 PM): plus it's unlikely that even if a civilization had millions of years on us age wise as a species that they would have the natural resources required for lengthy space travel.

Me (6:29:39 PM): not to mention the laws of geforces that would kill us going at certain speeds.

Amy (6:30:20 PM): i dont believe we came from a different planet

Me (6:30:16 PM): when i weigh all the facts, i can only surmise that we did not come from another planet, but we did not come from this one either.

Me (6:30:37 PM): something else happened.

Amy (6:31:37 PM): aha

Amy (6:31:42 PM): well all evolution means

Me (6:31:12 PM): i have my faith too. i've had a close spiritual connection with something i've called God since before i knew what church was.

Me (6:31:15 PM): however.

Amy (6:31:50 PM): is a gentic change in the population over time

Me (6:31:29 PM): i'd rather find a scientific basis for my argument.

Amy (6:32:17 PM): i would too

Me (6:31:47 PM): well yes that's the basis for micro evolution.

Me (6:31:55 PM): but

Me (6:31:59 PM): it still doesn't change the fact

Me (6:32:07 PM): that homo erectus died out.

Me (6:32:13 PM): long before our oldest homo sapien.

Amy (6:32:57 PM): i just said what evolution was

Amy (6:33:02 PM): and nothing is ever proven

Amy (6:33:11 PM): other losers fill in the rest with stupid stuff

Me (6:33:05 PM): well yes, but even with these minor changes between classes of species would result in physical evidence.

Me (6:33:24 PM): a species does not die out and leave a gap for 150,000 years.

Amy (6:34:07 PM): no

Amy (6:34:08 PM): not usually

Me (6:33:39 PM): that's just weird.

Me (6:33:41 PM): lol

Amy (6:34:22 PM): :) agreed

Me (6:34:07 PM): when our DNA is measured against other homo sapiens around the world

Me (6:34:14 PM): we can find that at one point in time.

Me (6:34:21 PM): there were only 50,000 of us left at most.

Me (6:34:25 PM): we were almost extinct.

Me (6:34:27 PM): OR

Me (6:34:32 PM): we were born.

Amy (6:35:25 PM): sooner or later i feel that we will become extinct

Amy (6:35:32 PM): we are ruining the world.

Amy (6:35:39 PM): Im sick of people saying its our world, too.

Me (6:35:14 PM): well we'll become extinct either way.

Me (6:35:21 PM): the sun won't shine forever.

Amy (6:36:25 PM): i mean sooner than we expect.

Me (6:36:09 PM): i expect a lot of us will be gone within my lifetime.

Me (6:36:15 PM): between mother nature and human stupidity.

Me (6:37:17 PM): do you know in the 70s there was a global cooling scare?

Me (6:37:23 PM): now it's global warming.

Me (6:37:34 PM): they don't take this shit seriously. they just want funds for their own puposes.

Me (6:37:36 PM): however.

Amy (6:38:12 PM): i know about the 70's

Me (6:37:41 PM): global warming and cooling

Me (6:37:44 PM): is part of nature.

Amy (6:38:21 PM): but global warming is actually happening.

Me (6:37:50 PM): it happens and has happened

Me (6:37:51 PM): for many years.

Amy (6:38:29 PM): no, i think the gases we are using

Me (6:38:03 PM): since the beginning.

Amy (6:38:42 PM): its seriously trapping in the heat and not letting it out.

Amy (6:38:50 PM): thats not natural what is going on right now.

Me (6:38:16 PM): oh of course we speed it up, but it's inevitable hon.

Me (6:38:30 PM): what we do is a minor infraction, when compared to the natural process.

Me (6:38:37 PM): sure we might prolong the inevitable.

Me (6:38:40 PM): but it is still

Me (6:38:43 PM): inevitable

Me (6:38:52 PM): the caps will melt

Me (6:38:55 PM): ice ages will come

Me (6:38:59 PM): thats nature.

Me (6:39:09 PM): we might speed it up 1000 years

Amy (6:39:45 PM): yes

Me (6:39:11 PM): or 10 years

Me (6:39:13 PM): but either way

Me (6:39:14 PM): it happens

Amy (6:39:52 PM): with its normal nature doing it

Amy (6:39:59 PM): but we are fucking it up

Me (6:39:57 PM): my point was that people are using this excuse for funding that isn't even going to be spent in anything that will prolong nature.

Me (6:40:04 PM): it's just pocket money for bureacrats.

Me (6:41:00 PM): and i think that the damage we've done has been vastly exaggerated as well. just my opinion, but i know quite a bit about O3

Me (6:41:12 PM): it's chemical basis, how it replenishes, etc.

Me (6:41:27 PM): i was a chemical engineering major with a post high school education in 4th grade.

Me (6:41:40 PM): i'm not saying this to brag, but i have studied this shit.

Me (6:42:24 PM): read up on O3, and what makes it deteriorate.

Amy (6:43:05 PM): i shall

Me (6:42:33 PM): you might be surprised.

Amy (6:43:15 PM): but you can see it on how other animals behave

Me (6:43:11 PM): animals behave instinctively to nature.

Me (6:43:14 PM): they always have

Me (6:43:21 PM): whether we've used aerosol or not.

Amy (6:44:06 PM): I meant global warming

Me (6:43:46 PM): i know.

Me (6:43:54 PM): thats what i meant as well.

Amy (6:44:33 PM): oh good

Me (6:44:00 PM): global warming and cooling and ice ages.

Me (6:44:05 PM): will always impact other species.

Amy (6:44:40 PM): oh and one think that pisses me off

Me (6:44:08 PM): and their behavior.

Amy (6:44:49 PM): we, humans, are animals

Me (6:44:57 PM): we are classified in the animal kingdom scientifically yes.

Me (6:45:24 PM): there's a lot we can learn from otehr species.

Me (6:46:00 PM): i have points and counterpoints to this though.

Me (6:46:11 PM): i neither agree nor disagree but at the same time both.

Me (6:46:16 PM): if that makes any sense at all.

Me (6:46:17 PM): lol

Amy (6:47:47 PM): sort of

Amy (6:47:54 PM): but eitherway how are we not animals?

Me (6:47:46 PM): well that conversation steps a bit into the supernatural.

Amy (6:48:28 PM): aha

Me (6:48:05 PM): but i believe that humans are a part of one great spirit.

Me (6:48:14 PM): and that our fleshly existence.

Me (6:48:29 PM): is a bad dream we have to get through.

Amy (6:49:14 PM): thats a little unique

Me (6:49:01 PM): every religion has similar viewpoints but not that black and white.

Me (6:49:07 PM): Christ said we are all members of the same body.

Amy (6:50:01 PM): remember, agnostic

Me (6:49:33 PM): yeah.

Me (6:49:41 PM): i study a lot of religions, but i think most of them are shit.

Amy (6:50:16 PM): # 2 every religion has similar viewpoints but not that black and white

Amy (6:50:19 PM): agreed

Me (6:49:52 PM): see the problem with religion is this.

Me (6:49:58 PM): if one comes that is real.

Me (6:50:03 PM): people will only modify it.

Me (6:50:07 PM): to suit their needs.

Me (6:50:12 PM): and control the populace.

Me (6:50:26 PM): Constantine modifed Christianity to suit the Pagans

Me (6:50:29 PM): as a result.

Me (6:50:42 PM): we now have all these people coming forward to discredit Christ.

Amy (6:51:17 PM): oh for sure, how can people be blind to that?

Me (6:50:49 PM): based on his stupid choices.

Me (6:51:19 PM): personally i think Constantine is a good candidate for the Antichrist.

Me (6:51:25 PM): as is Christianity.

Me (6:51:27 PM): today.

Amy (6:52:03 PM): lol

Me (6:51:31 PM): but thats just anotehr topic.

Me (6:51:32 PM): lol

Amy (6:52:19 PM): you have some different views

Me (6:51:56 PM): it would make sense in a fucked up sort of way......

Amy (6:52:54 PM): im sure

Me (6:52:25 PM): we all know the devil is to rome the planet and control it for a thousand years. things are so fucked up right now, that a lot of people believe the end is near.

Amy (6:53:00 PM): alas I dont smoke weed.

Amy (6:53:09 PM): true

Me (6:52:41 PM): and well, a thousand years ago the Romans graced this planet.

Me (6:52:43 PM): and today.

Me (6:52:55 PM): their empire is still seen in almost every aspect of life.

Amy (6:53:37 PM): thats streching it

Me (6:53:17 PM): architecture, religion, social beliefs......

Me (6:53:23 PM): family values.

Me (6:53:27 PM): democracy.

Me (6:53:37 PM): corrupt government.

Me (6:53:43 PM): the Vatican

Me (6:53:51 PM): the list is endless.

Me (6:54:36 PM): everyone says barcodes is the devil's mark (well conspiracy theorists)

Me (6:54:46 PM): during the reign of Hitler something else came out though.

Me (6:54:52 PM): social security cards

Me (6:54:56 PM): at one time it said on them.

Me (6:55:00 PM): not to be used as identification.

Me (6:55:06 PM): but they now identify us for everything.

Me (6:55:07 PM): and

Me (6:55:17 PM): the highest number possible

Me (6:55:18 PM): is

Me (6:55:24 PM): 999-99-9999

Me (6:55:26 PM): upside down

Me (6:55:27 PM): this is

Me (6:55:31 PM): 666 666 666

Amy (6:56:10 PM): oh come on

Me (6:55:37 PM): so is it a number

Me (6:55:39 PM): or a symbol?

Me (6:55:40 PM): haha

Me (6:55:47 PM): just a theory. i don't really believe it.

Amy (6:56:27 PM): lol good

Me (6:55:54 PM): but it's interesting. i came up with it a long time ago.

Me (6:56:10 PM): in revelations

Me (6:56:19 PM): it says we will not be able to exchange goods without this number

Me (6:56:24 PM): we can't even get a job without a SSN

Me (6:57:08 PM): or credit

Me (6:57:23 PM): i don't know. it's an interesting point.

Me (6:57:24 PM): i think

Amy (6:58:01 PM): thats a little interesting

Me (6:57:28 PM): doesn't mean i believe it.

Me (6:57:56 PM): how long have we used numbers to identify people i wonder.

Amy (6:58:39 PM): not a clue

Me (6:58:19 PM): eh me neither. probably a long fucking time.

Me (6:58:21 PM): slaves

Me (6:58:22 PM): etc

Me (6:58:32 PM): even in ancient egypt i'm sure they had a system similar.

Me (6:58:35 PM): but who knows.

Amy (6:59:37 PM): thats actually reall interesting

Me (6:59:16 PM): now we fight a war over in Iraq.

Me (6:59:19 PM): the fertile valley

Me (6:59:25 PM): mesopotamia.

Me (6:59:35 PM): shit my typos are horrible.

Amy (7:00:12 PM): wasn't that the fertile cresent?

Me (6:59:46 PM): yes.

Me (6:59:55 PM): between the tigris and euphrates.

Me (7:00:08 PM): anyways.

Me (7:00:12 PM): we also establish israel.

Me (7:00:15 PM): during WWII.

Me (7:00:17 PM): for jews.

Me (7:00:25 PM): not here's an interesting point.

Me (7:00:27 PM): before Hitler

Amy (7:01:02 PM): that scared people

Me (7:00:30 PM): WWI

Me (7:00:42 PM): we have some international banking schemes going on.

Me (7:00:46 PM): that push us into the war.

Me (7:00:53 PM): we slaughter Germany

Me (7:00:58 PM): sign the Versaille treaty.

Me (7:01:05 PM): and basically turn them into the bitch for the world.

Me (7:01:12 PM): basically a colony paying taxes.

Me (7:01:15 PM): to everyone else.

Me (7:01:17 PM): reparations.

Me (7:01:23 PM): because we started the shit with them.

Me (7:01:28 PM): so along comes Hitler.

Me (7:01:34 PM): pissed at the Jewish international bankers.

Me (7:01:39 PM): i don't know if you can read German

Me (7:01:46 PM): but this was in a lot of his speeches.

Me (7:01:48 PM): so

Me (7:01:56 PM): did the holocaust happen the way we said it did?

Me (7:02:01 PM): or was HItler a pawn?

Me (7:02:06 PM): and a martyr for the Germans/

Me (7:02:12 PM): christians died too

Me (7:02:15 PM): so did muslims

Me (7:02:19 PM): but here

Amy (7:02:56 PM): im confused on what your saying

Me (7:02:32 PM): do you know much about history?

Me (7:02:38 PM): German and American history?

Me (7:02:55 PM): let me see if i can find some translated German history for you later.

Me (7:03:00 PM): but

Me (7:03:03 PM): the Germans

Me (7:03:06 PM): before WWII

Me (7:03:09 PM): and after WWI

Me (7:03:12 PM): were forced to pay reparations.

Me (7:03:16 PM): for a war.

Me (7:03:19 PM): that we started.

Me (7:03:32 PM): they were in their own shit in WWI

Me (7:03:35 PM): we didn't want to fight.

Me (7:03:36 PM): however

Me (7:03:49 PM): international bankers have been controlling the world's stage for a long fucking time.

Me (7:03:55 PM): and possibly started the war in the first place

Me (7:04:01 PM): and despite German warnings

Me (7:04:05 PM): we went to supply Britain.

Me (7:04:08 PM): and crossed enemy waters

Me (7:04:12 PM): despite being neutral.

Amy (7:04:51 PM): so...?

Me (7:04:17 PM): so

Me (7:04:20 PM): when our ships were sunk

Me (7:04:24 PM): America was outraged.

Me (7:04:33 PM): just the excuse the powers that be needed.

Me (7:04:41 PM): to get America pissed off enough to support the war.

Me (7:05:12 PM): same thing now in Iraq. Hussein has nothing to do with Bin Laden, and Bin Laden has nothing to do with the fact that there were incindiary bomb evidence in the world trade center buildings.

Me (7:05:15 PM): molten steel.

Me (7:05:23 PM): that cannot melt.

Me (7:05:33 PM): you can't melt steal by burning jet fuel.

Me (7:05:36 PM): or anything else in the building

Me (7:05:40 PM): it just doesn't happen.

Me (7:05:47 PM): plus the support columns on the building.

Me (7:05:51 PM): had diagonal cuts in them.

Me (7:05:55 PM): demolition style.

Me (7:05:59 PM): yet we fight this war.

Me (7:06:02 PM): that has nothing to do

Me (7:06:06 PM): with Bin Laden anyways.

Me (7:06:10 PM): so we have our ships sunk

Me (7:06:12 PM): in WWI

Me (7:06:15 PM): sway the people.

Me (7:06:17 PM): same as now.

Me (7:06:25 PM): and Germany becomes our bitch.

Amy (7:07:01 PM): you really believe that?

Me (7:06:33 PM): did you watch them fall?

Me (7:06:44 PM): buildings don't fall that way unless they are demolished.

Me (7:06:47 PM): it's not even possible.

Amy (7:07:24 PM): wow

Me (7:06:53 PM): it was a controlled demolition.

Me (7:07:00 PM): and the evidence

Me (7:07:03 PM): points to it.

Me (7:07:06 PM): i've known this from day one.

Me (7:07:09 PM): and is soon as i found out

Me (7:07:12 PM): there was molten steel

Me (7:07:14 PM): in the wreckage.

Me (7:07:18 PM): i knew for sure.

Me (7:07:23 PM): but that has nothing to do with anything.

Me (7:07:25 PM): WWI

Me (7:07:29 PM): we have our ships sunk

Me (7:07:33 PM): we make Germany our bitch

Me (7:07:37 PM): Germans have to work hard.

Me (7:07:40 PM): to pay their taxes

Me (7:07:41 PM): and our taxes

Me (7:07:51 PM): for the Jewish international banking schemes.

Me (7:07:57 PM): so they can have their fucking Israel.

Me (7:08:11 PM): after WWII

Me (7:08:13 PM): years later.

Me (7:08:18 PM): it was all planned i think.

Me (7:08:26 PM): and Hitler who wanted to save his people.

Me (7:08:32 PM): from the crimes the world commited against Germany.

Me (7:08:40 PM): ends up a pawn.

Me (7:08:43 PM): for the new Israel.

Me (7:09:04 PM): at the same time

Me (7:09:07 PM): SSN's come out.

Me (7:09:11 PM): it's just fucking weird.

Me (7:09:28 PM): it have weird intutions about things.

Me (7:09:31 PM): like i said earlier.

Me (7:09:38 PM): i've always had a close bond with something i thought was God.

Me (7:09:41 PM): even before i knew

Me (7:09:43 PM): what God was.

Me (7:09:50 PM): and i've always felt the need.

Me (7:09:53 PM): to question everything.

Me (7:09:56 PM): and research.

Me (7:10:00 PM): not just our history.

Me (7:10:02 PM): but other nations.

Me (7:10:06 PM): from their points of view.

Me (7:10:22 PM): animals react weird to nature.

Me (7:10:28 PM): people react weird to spirituality.

Me (7:10:34 PM): animals know when shit is fucked up.

Me (7:10:37 PM): and i think humans

Me (7:10:40 PM): have a spiritual sense.

Me (7:10:43 PM): that things are going bad.

Me (7:10:56 PM): people seem more and more interested in things that are supernatural every day.

Me (7:11:02 PM): and in the end coming.

Me (7:11:10 PM): it's bizarre.

Me (7:11:13 PM): like somewhere inside of us.

Me (7:11:20 PM): something is trying to say hey motherfucker

Me (7:11:23 PM): open your eyes.

Me (7:11:52 PM): nothing is as it seems.

Me (7:11:57 PM): but who knows.

Me (7:12:24 PM): every political theory i have is based on facts.

Me (7:12:29 PM): i cannot prove the spiritual ones.

Amy (7:13:46 PM): um whoa.?

Amy (7:13:49 PM): thats a lot

Me (7:13:21 PM): haha sorry :-)

Me (7:13:53 PM): do you mind if i blog this strange conversation and change your name to anonymous friend?

Me (7:14:17 PM): i feel like i've had this conversation so many times.

Amy (7:14:54 PM): you can leave me name if you want.

Me (7:14:22 PM): and would rather send someone a link.

Me (7:14:24 PM): lol

Me (7:14:34 PM): cool thanks

Amy (7:15:08 PM): aha

Me (7:15:12 PM): i dont' talk about it often, but in 30 years it's come up a lot.

Me (7:15:16 PM): moreso since i was 14 or so.

Amy (7:16:15 PM): you seem to talk a lot.

Me (7:16:02 PM): if i'm interested in the conversation and i feel that the other person is intelligent enough to have it.

Me (7:16:11 PM): i guess that's a compliment to you :p

Me (7:16:12 PM): lol

Me (7:16:46 PM): mostly i just make people laugh. people respond more to amusement, then intellect.

Amy (7:17:27 PM): just a compliment? are you still my friend on myspace?

Me (7:17:07 PM): i think so.....

Amy (7:17:53 PM): just wondering.

Amy (7:18:09 PM): well I need to go do homework, so good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Me (7:17:47 PM): eh who knows.

Me (7:17:49 PM): take it easy.

Me (7:17:52 PM): and good luck with that.

Amy (7:18:42 PM): thanks

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The overall point i get from this is "most people don't care about the right things... therefore are not helpful to themselves or humanity".

At some point we do have to actually make a value call about what is good, and what is not good. What is worth our time expenditure and what is a waste. I agree. Often there is a so-called "enlightened" opinion that everything is all the same, and nothing or no-one is better than anyone or anything else, and its all just opinion.

That might be true, but i doubt it. I think there a "judgement" (and i mean that in a positive sense) to be made about what is, and isn't worthwhile.

Unfortunately for me that judgement call may not be correct and it may be me that's flawed not the "others". Critical thinking about actions needs to include everyone -not just everyone else besides me. I too may be wasting my time or have the wrong path, and just because I've decided I'm right, doesn't actually make me right.

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Wow, I read about 3/4 of that and it amazes me.

I have a few questions...

1. What does O3 have to do with the current Global Warming debate? O3 is not a Greenhouse Gas. It's ozone. The whole in the ozone layer is a completely unrelated thing from global warming. Decreases in the ozone do not lead to higher temps. They lead to higher levels of UV. Current measurements show no significant rise in UV at ground level.

2. "chemical engineering major with a post high school education in 4th grade." Excuse me?

3. Rome fell 1000 years ago? I assume you mean the Eastern Roman Empire, because the Western Roman Empire collapsed in 476. and the Holy Roman Empire didn;t fall apart until around 1806 or something like that...

4. Jet Fuel burns at 1100 Degrees. Steel melts at 1500 but looses all strength at about 700degrees. That means if flows and can not support it's own weight let alone concrete.

5. Please keep your anti-Semite crap someplace I don't have to read it.

6. I am also disinterested in your revisionist view of the two world wars. Did you know, in some countries of Europe., you can go to prison for some of the things you posted... including Germany?

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