Don't Say "christmas"

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

Oh, don't get me started on Saint Valentine's day! Marc will probably agree with me that the 14th of February has been perverted into a way to sell crap between people in erotic love.

SAINT VALENTINE'S DAY IS ABOUT ALL KINDS OF LOVE! For instance, I love my dad. I should be able to tell him that I love him on the 14th of February without it being weird. Modern culture has made it weird. That pisses me off to no end.

Oh, and "Sweetest Day"?!?! I'm sorry, but if I am in a personal erotic relationship with a woman, and she gets offended that I didn't buy her some meaningless crap on a day TOTALLY ENGINEERED to sell crap, I will have to consider breaking up with her.

Ever read a history book? Saint Valentine's day is about love and marriage between men and women. Valentine, contrary to Roman law, performed Christian marriages rather than the state sponsored weddings in the traditions of the Roman gods. For this, he was beheaded, after being beaten with clubs. He is the patron saint of married couples among other things. Feb. 14th is the day he was killed.

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

Tolerance, you mean, Gaf?

Yeah, one of those wallking back to the pc to see that i had not in fact hit the Add Reply button.

ttogreh · December 1, 2007

Uh, Gaf... there are three possible men named Valentinus who could be Saint Valentine. He was either a priest in Rome, a Bishop in Interamna (Terni), or a martyr in Africa.

Moreover, most of the legends surrounding Valentinus were invented by Geoffrey Chaucer... in the 14th century.

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

Except the parts that were celebrated before Chaucers birth. You should look at more than Wikipedia, it's flawed.

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

That is to say, there is archaeological evidence that points to him being the roman priest that was put to death for the reasons I stated in ... 279? or 269... can't remember which.

ttogreh · December 1, 2007

It doesn't matter, there is no consensus on who the man was, and a great deal of legend was added to his real story, if any.

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

The thing is, even if I am wrong about who he really was and your right that Chaucer added much to his story... You are still wrong. Modern sociaty didn't pervert the holiday intio something it ws never celebrated as. St. Valentine's day is the purest holiday we celebrate.

phee · December 1, 2007

So anyway... Christmas....

creatureofthenyte · December 1, 2007

bah humbug

Scary Guy · December 1, 2007

honestly, i think you do blow this WAAAAY out of proportion.

I do this because I'm required to, if I don't who will speak up?

you misspelled vain.

Maybe, but you still get my point anyway. It's spelled correctly, just the wrong type of vain, so it wasn't underlined in red.

bah humbug

THAT'S THE SPIRIT! :D

Gaf The Horse With Tears · December 1, 2007

Yeah, Christmas...

Merry Christmas

Happy Saturnalia

Happy Kwanzaa

Happy Hanukkah

Joyous Yule

Wesołych Świąt

Habari Gani

Gut Yontiff

Merry Yuletide

In short, Have a good Day in these depressing winter months that for some reason cultures from throughout history have decided to plant a holiday in to raise each others spirits when everyone really just feels like sitting down and eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about themselves.

Msterbeau · December 1, 2007

Yeah, Christmas...

Merry Christmas

Happy Saturnalia

Happy Kwanzaa

Happy Hanukkah

Joyous Yule

Wesołych Świąt

Habari Gani

Gut Yontiff

Merry Yuletide

In short, Have a good Day in these depressing winter months that for some reason cultures from throughout history have decided to plant a holiday in to raise each others spirits when everyone really just feels like sitting down and eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about themselves.

There's something wrong with eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about myself?

phee · December 1, 2007

There's something wrong with eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about myself?

I think it makes your hair fall out and you end up dating hot chicks

Msterbeau · December 1, 2007

I think it makes your hair fall out and you end up dating hot chicks

That explains a lot.

And to stay on topic:

Bean... you boss is a prick who should be thrown out in the cold till his balls freeze.

creatureofthenyte · December 1, 2007

Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas Christmas

Life is too short to think we "have to" walk on eggshells to keep the integrity of someone's fragile ego and sensitivities intact. If I offend someone with my speech, it is not done with malice. If I offend someone, it is only because they offended me first, and they have it coming.

Steven · December 1, 2007

It doesn't matter, there is no consensus on who the man was, and a great deal of legend was added to his real story, if any.

you know, I seem to have heard this same argument attatchd to other historical figures and alleged events as well....kind of convenient argument if you ask me (or even if you dont).

holy shit kiddies Beans rant amde it to page 4!

SANTA I WANT A NEW RED GUITAR FOR CHRISTMAS.

Steven · December 1, 2007

I do this because I'm required to, if I don't who will speak up?
Maybe, but you still get my point anyway. It's spelled correctly, just the wrong type of vain, so it wasn't underlined in red.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT! :D

Dude, your getting boring.

when you try to take a swing at my form of worship or my "God" whom you allegedly think you know on paper or by osmosis or by anythign other than what I personally involve myslef with you fail, because you fail to put it into proper perspective, and you fail to recognize the "me" part of it - your ultimately just throwing out a "so there neaner neaner neaner".

and you misspelled vain.

but if you REALLY want to school me on the whole God trip (you said I took God's name in vain - no explanation, just a charge of that which I dont beleive you really understand) - we can start up another thread out of respect to these peeps and have at it - blast away with everything you've got and we'll see where it goes.

Steven · December 1, 2007

*jumps up and down*... oh you mean in real life. Go to Iraq, I'm sure you'll find someone.

no YOU go to Iraq bro - since your so concerend with Iraqui resentment to the christimas tradition and are so concerend with offending them, go ahead - live your beleifs and stand on teh courage of yrou convictions. Course you'll have to take some time away for your DJ fundraising at the Native American events and leave your shanty that you now live on on the Rezervation.

Head Wreck · December 1, 2007

no point ranting steven.

he threw his toys out the pram and left

Destroit · December 1, 2007

Yeah, Christmas...

Merry Christmas

Happy Saturnalia

Happy Kwanzaa

Happy Hanukkah

Joyous Yule

Wesołych Świąt

Habari Gani

Gut Yontiff

Merry Yuletide

In short, Have a good Day in these depressing winter months that for some reason cultures from throughout history have decided to plant a holiday in to raise each others spirits when everyone really just feels like sitting down and eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about themselves.

You forgot Robotukkah, the holiest of all robot holidays, I can't believe you'd hate on me like that! :cry

:tongue: <-----(kidding obviously)

the eternal · December 1, 2007

Creature of the nyte----you're funny :biggrin:

But next time I want it in the form of a tree.

I hate getting involved in these fights anyway.

I never "win," Steven and I always have two simultaneously different conversatuions, more moderate people get agitated at me and others, my little group gets polarized and isolated and one more thing----

everyone's the same afterwards anyway.

I would've explained to ttrogreh (sp?) about my faith and how there would never be the opposite, because it would be contrarian to our practices, BUT I realized this became too much about me and my religion already.

LOOK, <read Bean's post again>

I do not wish people "Happy Holidays, "Merry Christmas" or anything else because, hey, guess what? Some people don't celebrate any holidays at all, and I'm not going to assume what religious beliefs people have or don't have and I don't know people's sensitivity levels for such things.

If you want to wish people Merry Christmas, go ahead. I can't stop you.

But please do it because you really want to share your joy, not to make some point.

MY TAKE:

Forget Jews, in Michigan there's a hell of a lot more Muslims.

There's also Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses,

atheists, etc.

And you're essentially wishing them a happy holiday that they DON'T celebrate.

That's the part I don't get.

I view it as an extension of the Euro-centric view that we have in this country that everyone's like us,

....or they should be.

And for children, it's just a reminder that they're not part of the norm. And kids have enough to feel insecure about already.

I don't find overly offensive or an outrage, or whatever else you may think,

I just dont think it's right.

If you want to wish me Merry Christmas, knowing that I'm not Christian, go ahead.

I'll actually find it quite funny (though not as funny as if you did it as many times as Creature)

and I'll of course wish you a happy chanukah back :thumbsup:

I got nothing against Christmas. (although SG and Mstrbeau make some very good points IMHO)

I like some of the old carols.

I like a couple newer ones like Christmas Eve Sarajevo by Trans-Siberian.

I like that people seem a little happier.

I like that it's an excuse for family/friends to get together for good times

I even like those dumb office parties

But for someone else to wish me Merry Christmas,

I feel like it's wishing me Happy Birthday on your birthday.

:stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart:

Does that make any sense or am I just boring you all again?

ANYWAY, I leave you with my favorite post of this thread.

This will likely be the first and last time I will attribute that statement to Gaf, but, hey it's Christmastime, right?

Yeah, Christmas...

Merry Christmas

Happy Saturnalia

Happy Kwanzaa

Happy Hanukkah

Joyous Yule

Wesołych Świąt

Habari Gani

Gut Yontiff

Merry Yuletide

In short, Have a good Day in these depressing winter months that for some reason cultures from throughout history have decided to plant a holiday in to raise each others spirits when everyone really just feels like sitting down and eating a gallon of ice cream and feeling crappy about themselves.

My gift to you, Gaf---a bottle of ketchup to feed to lip-eating attention whores.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go and start another picture thread about myself.

the eternal · December 1, 2007

You forgot Robotukkah, the holiest of all robot holidays, I can't believe you'd hate on me like that!
<-----(kidding obviously)

Oooh, we forgot Festivus, for the rest of us!

Here's the ice cream

festivus.icecream.jpg

And a card!

Ok you get two!

Edited to wish a very merry, happy, joy filled, angst-ridden, depressing, aggravating, whatever-you-want-it-to-be nothing to Scary Guy.

Oh, and a very merry unbirthday to you, and you, and you and you and you. <--CLICK IT

Msterbeau · December 1, 2007

But for someone else to wish me Merry Christmas,

I feel like it's wishing me Happy Birthday on your birthday.

This is brilliant.

That is all.

Steven · December 1, 2007

Creature of the nyte----you're funny
But next time I want it in the form of a tree.

I hate getting involved in these fights anyway.

I never "win," Steven and I always have two simultaneously different conversatuions, more moderate people get agitated at me and others, my little group gets polarized and isolated and one more thing----

everyone's the same afterwards anyway.

I would've explained to ttrogreh (sp?) about my faith and how there would never be the opposite, because it would be contrarian to our practices, BUT I realized this became too much about me and my religion already.

LOOK, <read Bean's post again>

If you want to wish people Merry Christmas, go ahead. I can't stop you.

But please do it because you really want to share your joy, not to make some point.

MY TAKE:

Forget Jews, in Michigan there's a hell of a lot more Muslims.

There's also Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses,

atheists, etc.

And you're essentially wishing them a happy holiday that they DON'T celebrate.

That's the part I don't get.

I view it as an extension of the Euro-centric view that we have in this country that everyone's like us,

....or they should be.

And for children, it's just a reminder that they're not part of the norm. And kids have enough to feel insecure about already.

I don't find overly offensive or an outrage, or whatever else you may think,

I just dont think it's right.

If you want to wish me Merry Christmas, knowing that I'm not Christian, go ahead.

I'll actually find it quite funny (though not as funny as if you did it as many times as Creature)

and I'll of course wish you a happy chanukah back

I got nothing against Christmas. (although SG and Mstrbeau make some very good points IMHO)

I like some of the old carols.

I like a couple newer ones like Christmas Eve Sarajevo by Trans-Siberian.

I like that people seem a little happier.

I like that it's an excuse for family/friends to get together for good times

I even like those dumb office parties

But for someone else to wish me Merry Christmas,

I feel like it's wishing me Happy Birthday on your birthday.

:stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart: :stuart:

Does that make any sense or am I just boring you all again?

ANYWAY, I leave you with my favorite post of this thread.

This will likely be the first and last time I will attribute that statement to Gaf, but, hey it's Christmastime, right?

My gift to you, Gaf---a bottle of ketchup to feed to lip-eating attention whores.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go and start another picture thread about myself.

Holy Moly you make posts even longer than me. you must not be a smoker. My inhale is shorter than yours.

anyway....you mentioned winning - winning what? nobody wins in here and EVERYBODY gets agitated at me, its old hat. I didint realize it was needed though, you threw me on that one.

next anyway: i dont think ANYBODY in here is intentionally shooting merry christmas bombs at you whilst knowing yoru faith is different. to me thats an argument that does not apply.

phee · December 1, 2007

This is brilliant.

That is all.

I agree.... brilliant

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