Father's Rights?

[jadnifer]

Do you think that a father has enough rights to the say so of whether or not a child is aborted?

I think that the father should have just as much say so as the mother does. I understand that it's the woman's body that has to go through the birth and pregnancy and stuff, but that child also belongs to the father. The mother didnt create that child all by herself. It takes two.

As far as I know, the father has NO rights whatsoever when it comes to that. I dont think that is fair. If the mother doesnt want the baby, who says that the father doesnt and wants to raise and take care of that child.

How do you guys feel about this?

[Msterbeau]

Tough one. Men don't have to carry the baby and give birth. Men don't have to go through all the post birth crap... the likely gain in weight, the disfigurement of the body, the postpartum depression, etc... I'm not necessarily saying a man shouldn't have a right to keeping the child, but some compensation should be due to the mother if she's forced to do so..

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Fine, we will deduct payments to a gym and meds for a year fromt he child support she has to pay.

But what if the man doesn;t want the baby... What if he asks her to abort it? Why does he have to pay child support for a child he in no way wants?

Current laws and customs are extremly anti-Man.

Men have no Re-productive rights at all. No matter what, all the laws give the Woman what ever the hell she wants and makes the Man pay for it.

[Msterbeau]

Fine, we will deduct payments to a gym and meds for a year fromt he child support she has to pay.

But what if the man doesn;t want the baby... What if he asks her to abort it? Why does he have to pay child support for a child he in no way wants?

Current laws and customs are extremly anti-Man.

Men have no Re-productive rights at all. No matter what, all the laws give the Woman what ever the hell she wants and makes the Man pay for it.

Well I agree that a man should have more balanced rights. But if one parent doesn't want it, there's always going to be a fight to avoid paying. I think it would be more equitable that the parent who doesn't want the child can waive their rights to all future visitation for the right to be free of child support. That's probably a whole can of worms unto itself and I'm not touching it because I'm not having any more children... :-)

[Hellion]

There are other choice names for the friend of the court,I know several friends that have been f$#ked over by that corrupt organization,a few have won.IMO I think they use biology and science bs in the decisions,just my own opinion to myself,and for myself.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

You assume Visitation is a parents right. It's not. Visitation is the Child's Right and is in no way legally connected to support. Once the child is born, denial of visitation by a custodial parent is violating the Child's right to know thier parents.

There are no provisions in the law to allow non-payment of support. If you are the parent of a child and are not the one with physical custidy.. you pay support. Period. Oh wait... you can give up your parental rights... as long as you can get someone else to take them.

Our lovely liberal courts see to it too. This has been brought to the courts a few times and it's thrown out becuase there are NO laws for the judges to weigh... Your the father, you pay. if the mother wants to put the child up for adoption, she can. If she wants to abort, she can.

A man gets no say.

[Shade Everdark]

You assume Visitation is a parents right. It's not. Visitation is the Child's Right and is in no way legally connected to support. Once the child is born, denial of visitation by a custodial parent is violating the Child's right to know thier parents.

There are no provisions in the law to allow non-payment of support. If you are the parent of a child and are not the one with physical custidy.. you pay support. Period. Oh wait... you can give up your parental rights... as long as you can get someone else to take them.

Our lovely liberal courts see to it too. This has been brought to the courts a few times and it's thrown out becuase there are NO laws for the judges to weigh... Your the father, you pay. if the mother wants to put the child up for adoption, she can. If she wants to abort, she can.

A man gets no say.

Just a question: is there anything in this country, to you, that isn't a liberal's fault? Anything at all?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yes.

The Constitution

The Bill of Rights

The EPA

Victory (not that we have seen it in a long time)

Happiness

Life

Liberty

the Pursuit there of...

You show me a liberal activist group and I will point out which Right of yours they are fighting to suppress or take away.

[phee]

Yes.

The Constitution

The Bill of Rights

The EPA

Victory (not that we have seen it in a long time)

Happiness

Life

Liberty

the Pursuit there of...

You show me a liberal activist group and I will point out which Right of yours they are fighting to suppress or take away.

Dude you crack me up

[Head Wreck]

its the so called "liberals" in this country i live in that are turning it into a shithole with no employment, general apathy, decline in education standards, rising violent crime rates (which they just love to froth about), red tape preventing police from doing anything usefull, failing healthcare system, failing pension system, the "nanny state", health and safety overkill, blame culture....

as a liberal, i dispair at what others who fly the same flag do. and that worrying polotician that jumps on every liberal zeaolot cause DOES NOT BLINK, she worries me a lot.

[the eternal]

You're a liberal?

[saechalyn]

Do you think that a father has enough rights to the say so of whether or not a child is aborted?

Nope.

Is that fair? Nope. Is it ever going to be fair? Nope.

At the end of the page, women are the ones who get pregnant and give birth. That, to me, is the trump card.

Here's part of the problem- a lot of men choose not to involve themselves in the process until it is too late. They don't talk to their girlfriends about how they feel about this issue, don't ask her if she's on birth control and don't ask her if she is taking it regularly. They don't educate themselves about contraception and instead leave it all up to her, and now she's pregnant and all of a sudden they feel passionately about what to do. If couples would TALK TO EACH OTHER about this issue before they have sex, it would eliminate a lot of heartache down the line.

NOW- this obviously would not solve everything. People lie. People change their minds. Pregnancy is often one of those situations where a person does not know how they will react until it happens to them. And that's where the unfairness comes in.

It is absolutely not fair when a man who does not want a child gets "oopsed" by a woman who decides she's gonna trap herself a husband by skipping her pills or poking holes in the condoms. It's also unfair when a pregnant woman is convinced by her boyfriend not to have an abortion and he promises her the moon and the stars and how they are going to have a storybook life and then he skips town the day after the baby is born. The moral? When you screw, sometimes you get screwed.

[SuZQZ]

Nope.

Is that fair? Nope. Is it ever going to be fair? Nope.

At the end of the page, women are the ones who get pregnant and give birth. That, to me, is the trump card.

Here's part of the problem- a lot of men choose not to involve themselves in the process until it is too late. They don't talk to their girlfriends about how they feel about this issue, don't ask her if she's on birth control and don't ask her if she is taking it regularly. They don't educate themselves about contraception and instead leave it all up to her, and now she's pregnant and all of a sudden they feel passionately about what to do. If couples would TALK TO EACH OTHER about this issue before they have sex, it would eliminate a lot of heartache down the line.

NOW- this obviously would not solve everything. People lie. People change their minds. Pregnancy is often one of those situations where a person does not know how they will react until it happens to them. And that's where the unfairness comes in.

It is absolutely not fair when a man who does not want a child gets "oopsed" by a woman who decides she's gonna trap herself a husband by skipping her pills or poking holes in the condoms. It's also unfair when a pregnant woman is convinced by her boyfriend not to have an abortion and he promises her the moon and the stars and how they are going to have a storybook life and then he skips town the day after the baby is born. The moral? When you screw, sometimes you get screwed.

Well stated. I especially like, "The moral? When you screw, sometimes you get screwed." Be responsible, even in the throws of passion, and hopefully this will not be an issue.

[saechalyn]

Well stated. I especially like, "The moral? When you screw, sometimes you get screwed." Be responsible, even in the throws of passion, and hopefully this will not be an issue.

Yep!! Newsflash people, sex comes with certain risks. You cannot eliminate the risks, but you CAN take steps to reduce them. If you don't understand that and don't accept that even if you DO takes steps to reduce risk, sometimes it goes wrong anyway, then you have no business having sex.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

There is a rising tide of Men's Rigths groups. People are starting to listen... I don't think we will ever have a fair system but I do beleive we are about, hopefully, to at least give Men some semblance of Rights.

[phee]

But what if the man doesn;t want the baby...

To put it simply.... and this is something that I have learned from experience... Then you shouldn't have sex if you are not willing to put up with the chances of having a baby, I am not saying that all sex should be for procreation by any means, just understand that if you play you pay... men and women alike.

This is different then an accident, when you drive a car you accept the possiblity of an accident, an accident would be an STD or breaking a pelvic bone breaking.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yep!! Newsflash people, sex comes with certain risks. You cannot eliminate the risks, but you CAN take steps to reduce them. If you don't understand that and don't accept that even if you DO takes steps to reduce risk, sometimes it goes wrong anyway, then you have no business having sex.

The problem I have with your thoughts... they amount to "Fuck the men"

There are far too many cases of women trapping men with a baby... 18 years of support payments because some spoiled brat wants a baby.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

To put it simply.... and this is something that I have learned from experience... Then you shouldn't have sex if you are not willing to put up with the chances of having a baby, I am not saying that all sex should be for procreation by any means, just understand that if you play you pay... men and women alike.

This is different then an accident, when you drive a car you accept the possiblity of an accident, an accident would be an STD or breaking a pelvic bone breaking.

Again, you are simply writing off the man... like he is a second rate citizen.

[phee]

The problem I have with your thoughts... they amount to "Fuck the men"

There are far too many cases of women trapping men with a baby... 18 years of support payments because some spoiled brat wants a baby.

Then he shouldn't sleep with her.

[saechalyn]

The problem I have with your thoughts... they amount to "Fuck the men"

There are far too many cases of women trapping men with a baby... 18 years of support payments because some spoiled brat wants a baby.

And there are far too many women who are abandoned to raise a child alone by men who made a vow then changed their minds or met some younger piece of ass and took off with her. They are pretty fucked as well.

I never said I agree with mandatory child support payments. That is a completely separate issue. I was just thinking about the original topic of whether or not to give birth in the first place.

[phee]

Then he shouldn't sleep with her.

To ameand this.... there is a kink in my ideas about this... to put it simply, a woman who lies to have a baby (telling a man that she is using birth control and then sabotaging it by not taking the pills, punching holes, etc...) I have no solution to someone simply being a liar.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

And there are far too many women who are abandoned to raise a child alone by men who made a vow then changed their minds or met some younger piece of ass and took off with her. They are pretty fucked as well.

I never said I agree with mandatory child support payments. That is a completely separate issue. I was just thinking about the original topic of whether or not to give birth in the first place.

support payments are not a seperate issue. Sometimes, it's the main issue. Be it from the man or the woman's point of view.

My God, there is an ongoing court case right now because a woman is sueing a man for 18 years of child support he never paid. He was a sperm donor at a clinic.

[phee]

support payments are not a seperate issue. Sometimes, it's the main issue. Be it from the man or the woman's point of view.

My God, there is an ongoing court case right now because a woman is sueing a man for 18 years of child support he never paid. He was a sperm donor at a clinic.

Really? that's just sad....

[phee]

Again, you are simply writing off the man... like he is a second rate citizen.

Maybe when women earn the same in the workplace we can balance the reproductive rights.... like a trade.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Men have no reproductive rights. It's wrong. I honestly don't have a full idea of how this can be fixed. One law or court case can not define, let alone decide this issue. I just know that it is a problem that we as a people neet to do something about.