Whats Your Political / Social Concern?

[ttogreh]

What is wrong with you? I told you, it was OAPEC. Not OPEC. Moreover, the fact that the embargo was against all western countries reinforces my argument, rather than weakening it.

As for whether or not American industry suffered because of a lack of oil, seeing as after the oil shock, there was a headlong rush towards energy efficiency in heavy industry would seem to betray your opinion.

Oil is the yardstick. It simply is. Now with solar, wind, natural gas, nuclear, coal, and other alternatives coming online, America may be able to recapture its economic destiny in the next thirty or so years.

[Steven]

I know a politician can't be everything to everyone all the time. Heck, I can't even do that, and I'm freaking AMAZING!

And it is SO hard for me to pick which issues have priority, because of course, if education takes center stage, then the environment falls down on the list, and so on and so forth.

So, like everything in life, I have to distill this down to which issues REALLY matter most to me.

I would have to agree with Steven that the integrity of the family (or lack thereof) I find very troubling.

Of course Iraq is a priority, and everyone is talking about an exit strategy for Iraq, but dang, I still haven't heard an exit strategy for Korea!

I like to use the family and social issues thereof as a central starting point......to me everything else trickles off that which we are taught to vaule and nurture. I feel as if we do everything

in reverse, we try to tackle issues with theory and systematic responses that only go so far and ignore the root causes of man made greed and lust.

Ttogreh made a statment about Americas future economic destiny being rooted in alternative energy sources.

I dont think our destiny is rooted in anything but disaster in America. And I think our time has come and gone allready, our super power status suspect, and our ability to re-create ourselves in times of whoa extremely over rated.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

What is wrong with you? I told you, it was OAPEC. Not OPEC. Moreover, the fact that the embargo was against all western countries reinforces my argument, rather than weakening it.

As for whether or not American industry suffered because of a lack of oil, seeing as after the oil shock, there was a headlong rush towards energy efficiency in heavy industry would seem to betray your opinion.

Oil is the yardstick. It simply is. Now with solar, wind, natural gas, nuclear, coal, and other alternatives coming online, America may be able to recapture its economic destiny in the next thirty or so years.

I'm not sure whats wrong with me. Why don;t you go off on another of your insulting rants and tell me?

You never mentioned OAPEC. Read your posts.

And again, the embargo of 1973, not 1972, was in responce to the West's support of Israel. Both OPEC and OAPEC imposed the Embargo. Though OPEC gives it's reason to be the failure of negotiations with the Seven Sisters over pricing. It had nothing to do with dropping the Gold standard.

[ttogreh]

I told you it was OAPEC months ago. We have had this conversation before. As for 1973 instead of 1972, I was typing faster than my self editing can process.

The gold standard was failing for thirty years before it was finally scrapped. The oil standard is the real power behind fiat currency, and you know it.

Oh, and Steven... world views based on the eventual and inevitable disaster of the American experience are very perilous. Simply put, if you are right, why should I change my current behavior, and if you are wrong, you can just say that it will happen sooner or later.

Edited February 22, 2008 by ttogreh

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Thank you for telling me what I think. I will be sure to scrub all thoughts I have that don't put their jack boots on and step into your line... to get out of my head.

pfft.

I am going to keep reading history from every point of view I can find and try to come to some conclusions that take, if not all, at least most factors into consideration. I will even take into account those factors that don't support my world view.

You can carry on cherry picking facts you want and drawing thin lines to connect them.

[Steven]

Oh, and Steven... world views based on the eventual and inevitable disaster of the American experience are very perilous. Simply put, if you are right, why should I change my current behavior, and if you are wrong, you can just say that it will happen sooner or later.

well Im not really challanging you here Ttogreh, so Im not exactly sure what your asking of me with this repsonse.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Wow this thread is growing in popularity. I wonder why we don't have town meetings like this, or a central location where people who actually give a fuck about us, can gather facts about our opinions and concerns so something can be done about it......

Not to say the Internet should "replace" real-life gatherings, but its a useful tool for them that don't have the time/energy or inclination to do so. Even if we went to every town meeting within a 50 mile radius of our homes, we still wouldn't be able to have certain discussions with certain people that are easily had , whenever we have time, online.

Upon further pondering , beyond the economy (being far and away the no 1 issue for me) i think political education and teaching in such a way as to get people interested in the subject would what I'd want to see next. Much of the stuff that happens politically/socially/scientifically happens totally under the radar of most people, to busy watching American Idol. If people had more interest in subjects of substance and interest in "The real world" in general, things would i think naturally improve. Its a very long term issue, not solved by any one administration or generation.

Not sure what i would call it "Sociopolitical enthusiasm encouragement" ? Hrmm.