Great...new Trend Perhaps?

[xbittergracex]

I know Britneys little sister is in the media now....and I wonder how long it was going to take until being a teen parent became a mainstream trend. I know among some cultures...its pretty common. But the media hasn't exactly glamorized it...oh but it will. And now...we have new myspace comments to prove it.

there you go. I'm do NOT mean to insult anyone who is or may have been a teen-parent. MY mother was 17 when I was born....but I don't think its something that needs to be promoted or glamorized. I think that little picture I got off a myspace comment page gives us a little taste of what we're in for. I for one am not having children. Lock up your girls!!!

[damagedangel]

I know Britneys little sister is in the media now....and I wonder how long it was going to take until being a teen parent became a mainstream trend. I know among some cultures...its pretty common. But the media hasn't exactly glamorized it...oh but it will. And now...we have new myspace comments to prove it.

o.O Oy. We certainly do not need a "celebrity" glamorizing teenage motherhood. Scary.

[Miranda]

Fucking-A....

[Rayne]

o.O Oy. We certainly do not need a "celebrity" glamorizing teenage motherhood. Scary.

I was thinking the same thing when I heard about it. I was a teen Mom ... and it was THE HARDEST thing I have ever done. I'm not proud I was ... but I am proud I lived through it.

[Misanthropy77]

Right on. It is hard enough being a parent at the age I am NOW, let alone if I had been a teenager. My mom was 16 when she had my older brother..and I give a huge thumbs up to any teen mom who decided to stick with it and raise her baby..but that doesn't mean teen parenthood is something that should be condoned. Excellent topic!!

[xbittergracex]

Excellent topic!!

thanks. i was really shocked when i saw that picture.

[Misanthropy77]

thanks. i was really shocked when i saw that picture.

For sure, and I don't blame you!

[Destroit]

That's HORRIBLE. I had a friend Rachel that got pregnant in high school. She used to be the drummer in my band, we used to go the mall, go party, go to Royal Oak, etc. Had a baby when she was 16...? BOOM. Never came out again. Just baby this, baby that, baby, baby, baby. It was horrible.

I haven't talked to her in years because she's a mom. I can't really she works 60 hours a week at some factory just to hold a shitty apartment roof over her and her kid's head. I mean, she could be in college right now actually studying and preparing for a career, but what is she doing? Taking care of that baby (who's probably about five now, I shouldn't call him a baby, but I haven't seen him since he was like two).

It's stupid, that's not to say ridicule teen moms obviously for what happened to them, try to support them and their kid when you can, but don't promote them literally missing out on some of the best years of their lives. That's what happens, you're stuck with a kid and suddenly the fun goes away and there's no more partying and having good times like people that age should be doing. That, and how are you even going to graduate easily with a kid? Even highschool, that would be hard to do.

This country is so going to hell in a handbasket if this kind of shit is promoted .

[Misanthropy77]

That's HORRIBLE. I had a friend Rachel that got pregnant in high school. She used to be the drummer in my band, we used to go the mall, go party, go to Royal Oak, etc. Had a baby when she was 16...? BOOM. Never came out again. Just baby this, baby that, baby, baby, baby. It was horrible.

I haven't talked to her in years because she's a mom. I can't really she works 60 hours a week at some factory just to hold a shitty apartment roof over her and her kid's head. I mean, she could be in college right now actually studying and preparing for a career, but what is she doing? Taking care of that baby (who's probably about five now, I shouldn't call him a baby, but I haven't seen him since he was like two).

It's stupid, that's not to say ridicule teen moms obviously for what happened to them, try to support them and their kid when you can, but don't promote them literally missing out on some of the best years of their lives. That's what happens, you're stuck with a kid and suddenly the fun goes away and there's no more partying and having good times like people that age should be doing. That, and how are you even going to graduate easily with a kid? Even highschool, that would be hard to do.

This country is so going to hell in a handbasket if this kind of shit is promoted .

Agreed, and well said!

[tanuki1985]

*claps*

Very well said, Cher.

I knew way too many people who had kids early on. I had a "friend" who had a kid during the summer between 7th and 8th grade. Unfortunately, the baby died, but in a way, I was thankful that the poor baby didn't have to live a life with a 12-year-old mom, let alone that weirdo. :/

I'm not kidding when I say this, but I believe that I am only one of few from my graduating class who does not have a kid now. And I'm only 22. Almost every one of these girls has a MySpace that says, "lol my bf and i hav sutch a gr8 liafe eye luv him and me kidz lol." It's like they live shitty lives now, but they want to make sure no one knows that. They want everyone to think that they have the best life ever, when we know that they are in fact struggling to pay the bills and raise their kid(s). In a way, they're trying to glamorize it.

I also get annoyed when I see movies about teenage pregnancy that glamorize the whole situation or give perfect fairy tale endings. For instance, take the movie "Saved." Be warned that I am about to give away some spoilers about this movie, so don't read ahead if you do not want to read that. Sure, the movie shows how fucked the girl's life after getting knocked up, but the ending is good and everyone is happy at the end when the kid is born. The movie doesn't go on to show how much this girl's life sucks after becoming a teenage mom and how hard it is trying to raise this kid alone while suffering through 70 hours of work each week and living in her parents' basement just to eat. It doesn't show her skip out on college or drop out after half a semester because she can't handle it. I've seen several Lifetime movies with similar endings.

Teenage pregnancy is such a tragic thing, and I agree that it would be lame for society to promote it. But of course, Shitney Spears' smiling little sister is going to be shown in tabloid magazines carting her offspring around while her moronic boyfriend follows closely behing blindly.

Mind you, I am NOT saying that teenage pregnancy automatically = trash. I applaud those who were teenage moms and made it despite all the hardships. I am merely saying that society should not glamorize such a difficult situation. Then again, society likes to also glamorize being "ghetto thugs," but that's a whole different story...

[Angel of Death]

My cousin had her 1st child at the age of 16 and her 2nd when she was 18. She still lives with her mom, she can't ever really do much. She is constantly having to worry about kids so much she can hardly do ANYTHING for herself. Yes she is lucky to have the support of her parents. Considering she is no longer with the father she wound up pretty lucky there too, because he loves his kids and baby-sits them when she has to work and no one else can take the. He takes them on the weekends as well.

I think if you have a child at that age and keep it thats great, especially if you can take care of it...BUT it should NOT be glamorized. ..

..that is all

[xbittergracex]

Hmmmph.

Jamie Lynn Spears Birth, Teen Pregnancy Increase Concern Experts: ‘Babies Need And Deserve Adult Parents’

[know_buddy_kares]

That's HORRIBLE. I had a friend Rachel that got pregnant in high school. She used to be the drummer in my band, we used to go the mall, go party, go to Royal Oak, etc. Had a baby when she was 16...? BOOM. Never came out again. Just baby this, baby that, baby, baby, baby. It was horrible.

I haven't talked to her in years because she's a mom. I can't really she works 60 hours a week at some factory just to hold a shitty apartment roof over her and her kid's head. I mean, she could be in college right now actually studying and preparing for a career, but what is she doing? Taking care of that baby (who's probably about five now, I shouldn't call him a baby, but I haven't seen him since he was like two).

It's stupid, that's not to say ridicule teen moms obviously for what happened to them, try to support them and their kid when you can, but don't promote them literally missing out on some of the best years of their lives. That's what happens, you're stuck with a kid and suddenly the fun goes away and there's no more partying and having good times like people that age should be doing. That, and how are you even going to graduate easily with a kid? Even highschool, that would be hard to do.

This country is so going to hell in a handbasket if this kind of shit is promoted .

Well said... having kids are good and all... but if you're not ready and settled already with your career choice.. this happens, and it literally ruins your life. So much opportunity.. gone... possibilities.. gone.... the ability to enjoy the remainder of one's youth... GONE...

But sadly, punk kids under 22 don't tend to see this.. they know everything after all.. and won't see what they lost. Though maybe the joy of raising a kid makes up for it? I mean who knows.. each person is unique.. but 60 hours a week to just be able to afford shitty living conditions, and killing any social life at all isn't healthy in my opinion. Even parents we have here on dgn like Phee for example, still manage to have somewhat of a social life on ocasion, but then i assume phee had his feet planted already and got to enjoy his youth.. sorry to bring you up in this, just needed an example of someone who had their act together.

Raising a kid aint easy, it does take sacrifice, but these pop stars with all their money and lack of responsability are giving a wrong image for people who don't have all that privilage they have, so they don't see the massive abyss of suck that you have to sacrifice everything for just to raise a kid if you're not well planted.

There is nothing wrong with having kids early on in life if one is truely ready for it, but it's been a growing trend it seems. Now it's really hard to find someone my age who aint delusional or has that extra baggage of kids. Most people flaunt their ignorant mistakes as if they're something special..

In this situation I blame the parents.. sorry.. I do.. a girls desire to want to have a baby is natural yes... well most times.. but that desire can grow way out of control if the parents don't give them enough attention as a kid. I've noticed that amongst alot of ex friends (ex friends for reason they can't have a social life anymore because they got pregnant early) they were extremely neglected by their own parents. The one's who weren't neglected.. turned out half assed alright. And saying someone turns out half assed alright today is saying alot compared to the stupidity of many others lately..

[Corpse_Ecstasy]

I am a mom and you know, becoming one has made me realize other mothers around me.

Firstly, I am glad that these teens are atleast having their babies and trying to raise them. Yeah teen parent hood shouldn't be PROMOTED, but should be SUPPORTED.

Maybe if people would give motherhood the credit it needs, we wouldn't have so many deadbeat moms and fucked up people in society.

And you know what? I cannot stand when people say that parenthood "ruins your life", unless you are a parent you have no fucking right saying this & if you are a parent saying this, you are a poor excuse for one.

By saying this, you are disrespecting new life and are an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life.

Yeah sure kids aren't for everyone, but don't knock people who have a child/children, regardless of what age they start having children, whether they are planned or not...I take it as an insult, because you are bad mouthing BABIES, new lives that are born in beautiful perfection with emotions and warmth...do you know how immature and disgusting that makes an adult sound when they dishonor babies and mothers? Its putrid.

My daughter has done anything but ruin my life. She is my best friend and soulmate and that's how all mother's should view their children, not only due to the flesh and blood that binds, but because that's what being a TRUE adult is.

And, being a mom is the hardest and most rewarding job. Your boss doesn't love you at the end of the day, but your child does and always will.

They don't ruin your opportunities in life or cram your life. They awaken you to what life is truly about.

I rather be at home raising my daughter and loving her than going out to ridiculous clubs with the same old people and drama...I'd rather be learning from her and teaching her plus furthering my education than getting caught up in college bullshit of nothing but partying and acting retarded and taking a major that, in the end, has nothing to do with my current career.

Single moms that work are awesome. Stay at home moms are awesome. They go above and beyond childless fuckheads who have no respect for the gift of life.

RESPECT mothers no matter their age, race or religion. And, respect their children.

[JaneDead]

That's HORRIBLE. I had a friend Rachel that got pregnant in high school. She used to be the drummer in my band, we used to go the mall, go party, go to Royal Oak, etc. Had a baby when she was 16...? BOOM. Never came out again. Just baby this, baby that, baby, baby, baby. It was horrible.

what would be MORE horrible though is if she had the child and dumped it off on family to raise/take care of so she could still party. i think it is unfortunate when teens have children because of how hard it can be them and the children, but it is great that she stepped up as a "mom" and put "party girl" to rest.

I haven't talked to her in years because she's a mom. I can't really she works 60 hours a week at some factory just to hold a shitty apartment roof over her and her kid's head.

i don't think having a child should end your [social] life, so it's sad when people have children and feel they can't do anything else anymore but again -if she is working her ass off to raise the child, that's great to hear. being responsible (at any age) for your child is key.

[Goth Brooks]

I need to hurry up on my vasectomy so I can trick some of these stupid lil pieces into letting me give them their baby.

[Destroit]

I am a mom and you know, becoming one has made me realize other mothers around me.

Firstly, I am glad that these teens are atleast having their babies and trying to raise them. Yeah teen parent hood shouldn't be PROMOTED, but should be SUPPORTED.

Maybe if people would give motherhood the credit it needs, we wouldn't have so many deadbeat moms and fucked up people in society.

And you know what? I cannot stand when people say that parenthood "ruins your life", unless you are a parent you have no fucking right saying this & if you are a parent saying this, you are a poor excuse for one.

By saying this, you are disrespecting new life and are an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life.

Yeah sure kids aren't for everyone, but don't knock people who have a child/children, regardless of what age they start having children, whether they are planned or not...I take it as an insult, because you are bad mouthing BABIES, new lives that are born in beautiful perfection with emotions and warmth...do you know how immature and disgusting that makes an adult sound when they dishonor babies and mothers? Its putrid.

My daughter has done anything but ruin my life. She is my best friend and soulmate and that's how all mother's should view their children, not only due to the flesh and blood that binds, but because that's what being a TRUE adult is.

And, being a mom is the hardest and most rewarding job. Your boss doesn't love you at the end of the day, but your child does and always will.

They don't ruin your opportunities in life or cram your life. They awaken you to what life is truly about.

I rather be at home raising my daughter and loving her than going out to ridiculous clubs with the same old people and drama...I'd rather be learning from her and teaching her plus furthering my education than getting caught up in college bullshit of nothing but partying and acting retarded and taking a major that, in the end, has nothing to do with my current career.

Single moms that work are awesome. Stay at home moms are awesome. They go above and beyond childless fuckheads who have no respect for the gift of life.

RESPECT mothers no matter their age, race or religion. And, respect their children.

WOW...one sided much?

Hell...there was even a study in the news stating that couples who CHOOSE not to have children actually are consistantly 7-10% happier and feel as though they have "more fufilling lives" than couples who have children. Furthermore their relationship has a 16% higher chance of surviving.

I'm a "childless fuck"? Yeah...'cause THAT'S maturity right there...at it's finest. I'm "an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life" due to the fact that I'd like to ENJOY my existance instead of being a feminine sheeple baby factory and shit out a bunch of kids from my crotch? Yeah REAL mature statement there too, lemme tell ya, good parenting fodder right there . Such a good impact on society when you teach your daughter that same brainless inside-the-box dribble and she goes out into society a whole new Paris Hilton .

It also takes $230,000 to raise a kid to be 17 years of age, good luck coming up with that money when you haven't even finished HIGH school. Because teenage moms haven't finished high school and really shouldn't be having kids. I mean hell there was even a PACT between 17 girls at a high school to get pregnant before the end of the year so they could be like Spears' little sister...if there's anyone who DOESN'T think that's absolutely psychotic, then I feel so totally horrible for your brain and others that have to put up with it.

Look...I'm not dissing KIDS...but I diss mothers on a daily basis. Dissing kids is like dissing the hostage in a bank robbery, does NOT make sense. But mothers? RESPECT? YEAH THE FUCK RIGHT...I don't respect mothers unless they prove to me just that...that they're MOTHERS. Most of the women I know who plopped out babies are the same ones that feed them nothing but hot dogs and McDonald's, smoke/drink while they're pregnant, BLOW WEED/CRACK (I've seen it plenty of times before anyone decides to tell me I'm overexaggerating) SMOKE in their babies FACES, don't teach their kids but screech and hollar for no reason (the reason being they're mentally kids themselves), just tell them "don't do that!" and never explain to them why, are too busy trying to snag a man to support THEIR mistake instead of spending time with their kids, leaving their kids with people so they can go out and get drunk, put their kids on ritalin/adderol trying to say they have "behavioral problems" instead of actually TRAINING AND PARENTING THEIR KIDS! How NOVEL, actually raising your kids? GTFO...serious!? These "women" I'm describing, just LOVE talking about their babies and how much they love them and that they're SUCH good mothers. Seriously. Now tell me...tell me NOW...how I'm supposed to respect ALL mothers? You're saying I need to respect those mothers, too? Out of all the mothers I know (hundreds) I can't count off five that I know personally that are halfway DECENT. I know all of these mothers because I'm CONSTANTLY having to raise their kids for them, so trust me, I know all sorts of things about how shitty mothers can be.

Also...having a baby DOES NOT make you special or give your life meaning...if anything your life becomes BORING and mundane. I can't even begin to IMAGINE how absolutely boring and empty my life would have to be to think that kids are fun to be around, never the less want one. Sitting around watching Dora the Explorer and playing patty cake all afternoon isn't my idea of a having a ball and living a fufilling live. So yes...HAVING babies doesn't make anymore special than anyone else...graduating college with a doctorate in Nuclear Physics makes you special, being president makes you special, being on TV or in movies makes you special, being an active member in your community makes you special, being a millionaire makes you special, being Mother Theresa makes you special, coming up with the Theory of Relativity makes you special. I could go on. But having a guy stick his dick in your cooter saying "Oh SHIT...I forgot to pull out" and then having the stick turn blue in a month does not make your life more special or meaningful, I'm sorry it really doesn't. I could say that being a GOOD mother makes you special, and that is true, but as I stated before in my life I've met hundred of women with hundreds of children and I can only name off about five that I think did a good job, mine being one of 'em (obviously...since I'm not brainwashed by society into being a sheeple, am 22 with perfect credit and a condo, and give more than I take).

Also, as a parenting tip your child should never be your "best friend and soulmate" because they don't need a "best friend" they need a fucking MOM! That's how kids work...they're supposed to go get their best friend from down the STREET (i.e. another little kid their age, not someone who is supposed to be the responsible adult raising them). Hell...I couldn't even imagine how few people I physically would have to have in my life to want to call a two year old my best friend, because I personally would be best friends with even the mailman or the creepy lady down the street before I went around saying my best friend was a toddler. It's VERY psychologically damaging to your child to treat them like your friend...you're supposed to be authoritative and directing...not comforting, spoiling, and pampering. Let their friends do that...it's what they're there for. Kids who have moms that are best friends 9 times out of 10 will grow up and be horribly dysfunctional with a bad outlook on the world, a huge ego with nothing to back it up, the feeling that they're special (when in fact nobody is special), and also spoiled (which translates into being bad with money in their adulthood and claiming bankruptcy because they ran up $50,000 in credit card debt, happened to my cousin because her parents were her friends). Don't believe me? Go look it up.

Also...I like my body without stretch marks, thanks. I don't want my stomach to get wrinkly and baggy just to have a kid who doesn't even care (kids don't really care that their mom had them, as a matter of fact some kids are pissed by it like I was). I like my titties where they're at thanks, that would be NOT around my belly button. Good place for 'em, imo.

Also, it doesn't really matter that your kid unconditionally loves you. ALL kids unconditionally love their parents, once again, not special. The only love in the world that's worth anything imo is the kind you have to work for.

Furthermore, nobody's kids matter to anyone but them and their grandparents usually, and that's the gist of it. Your child will not carry on your legacy because THEY die too eventually. Case in point, I want you to take a second and tell me the name of your great-great-great-great grandmother, what she did with her life, what she looked like, what she liked/disliked. Can't? Exactly. Because nobody in the entire universe remembers anything about your great-great-great-great grandmother except God, and I can prove that because you're her "legacy" and not even you know.

Lastly...by having a baby you did not create life. Unless you created your ovaries and your man's sperm...you didn't make shit, you simply blended together ingredients in a receipe that the CREATOR (that's why people call him/her that) came up with. Don't believe in God? Then you're just catering to Mother Nature...but in short you didn't "create" anything. The original creator and/or evolution did, you're just falling for the trick basically. You can't create something if A) You didn't come up with idea and B) Millions upon billions of people did it first. So mothers, please, stop trying to take credit from God for "creating life", it's sacreligious, kthnx. You were basically a pawn, or tool as I like to call it, in the great scheme of the universe, just another bolt in the machine.

So ends my rant....I did good due to the fact that I wanted to use some choice words and refrained as best I could because I have never been so offended and single handedly pissed off at such an ignorant, brainless and intentionally hurtful post in all my time posting on DGN. Maybe I'm just sick of having people tell me I'm worthless just because I'd like to actually live a meaningful existance where I do awesome things like have time for college, making more money, traveling the world, having guys find me attactive (because let's face it, men seek out women who don't have kids already unless they themselves have kids or are desperate and can't find anyone else), having a nice house, writing my novels, mixing my industrial, painting my art, traveling to Chernobyl/Amsterdam/Japan/Germany on a regular basis, having life molding experiences, going to the club instead of being stuck home with screamingly ANNOYING AND ANGER INDUCING children, and well...having a life basically.

So I apologize for my meaningless existance due to the fact that I'd like to have a life and enjoy what the good Lord gave me. I also apologize for the fact that I must be CRAYAYAZY for NOT thinking that being a teenage mother is okay because it isn't. Babies need adults not teenagers. Teenagers need time to grow INTO adults. Babies shouldn't be making babies. That is that and that is FACT. Don't make me link the several statements that back me up on this.

I also take comfort in the fact that if and when I am bored enough with living and am settled down enough to handle it and I decide to actually have one child, that child will live in a WONDERFUL and nurturing household with TWO parents (because when I was little I hated my existance due to the fact that my mom was a single mom and hated both parents because of it, so don't think that it doesn't affect children. It's not fun when you're 8 years old and everyone is accusing your mom of being either a slut of a lesbian because you're the only little girl in class who can't come to the Daddy-Daughter Dance being you're the only little girl in class that doesn't have one) in a HOUSE not an apartment/trailer so that they can have nice parks in the area, decent neighborhood friends, good schools, and a big backyard to play in and so I could have a garden and teach them how to work the earth. At that point I will have gotten the party out of my system (because it's a VERY important aspect of your life...the "social" step that people go through between the ages of 14-25ish) drank gallons upon gallons of liquor, had my face in plenty of glamourous party pics, smoked lbs of weed, out smarted the cops, had outlandish and unforgettable adventures, have friends so that my kid can play with theirs, etc. What's a teenage mom supposed to tell their kid when it comes to stories about their lives? Be like "yeah well, mommy uhmm...she did a lot of partying in HER day...awww who am I kidding? I skipped out on the FUN of life and had YOU...*sigh*"

[JaneDead]

Look...I'm not dissing KIDS...but I diss mothers on a daily basis. Dissing kids is like dissing the hostage in a bank robbery, does NOT make sense. But mothers? RESPECT? YEAH THE FUCK RIGHT...I don't respect mothers unless they prove to me just that...that they're MOTHERS. Most of the women I know who plopped out babies are the same ones that feed them nothing but hot dogs and McDonald's, smoke/drink while they're pregnant, BLOW WEED/CRACK (I've seen it plenty of times before anyone decides to tell me I'm overexaggerating) SMOKE in their babies FACES, don't teach their kids but screech and hollar for no reason (the reason being they're mentally kids themselves), just tell them "don't do that!" and never explain to them why, are too busy trying to snag a man to support THEIR mistake instead of spending time with their kids, leaving their kids with people so they can go out and get drunk, put their kids on ritalin/adderol trying to say they have "behavioral problems" instead of actually TRAINING AND PARENTING THEIR KIDS! How NOVEL, actually raising your kids? GTFO...serious!? These "women" I'm describing, just LOVE talking about their babies and how much they love them and that they're SUCH good mothers. Seriously. Now tell me...tell me NOW...how I'm supposed to respect ALL mothers? You're saying I need to respect those mothers, too? Out of all the mothers I know (hundreds) I can't count off five that I know personally that are halfway DECENT. I know all of these mothers because I'm CONSTANTLY having to raise their kids for them, so trust me, I know all sorts of things about how shitty mothers can be.

wow, where do you hang out? *laughs* i don't know one single mother like this thank god! a woman would NOT be my friend if she was like this ^^ i have absolutely no respect for parents like this and no room in my life for that kind of bullshit.

you don't know me very well or you could count me as a mother that is MORE than half way decent. you'll just have to take my word for it.

if there is ONE THING i do well in this world - it is being a good parent.

[Destroit]

wow, where do you hang out? *laughs* i don't know one single mother like this thank god! a woman would NOT be my friend if she was like this ^^ i have absolutely no respect for parents like this and no room in my life for that kind of bullshit.

you don't know me very well or you could count me as a mother that is MORE than half way decent. you'll just have to take my word for it.

if there is ONE THING i do well in this world - it is being a good parent.

I don't doubt your skill, it's just I have yet to see it. But am I right? I don't have respect for those kinds of women, I don't understand how I'm "supposed" to have repect for "all mothers" as Corpse Ecstacy stated, when there's mothers like that in the world.

If you're a good parent like you say you are then keep rockin' it and keep up the good work .

Oh...and yeah...those people were either from Ferndale, Royal Oak, Harrison Twp (the trailer park at Crocker & Jefferson), Hazel Park, south-side of East Detroit / Warren, and last but not least: drug houses in Detroit. Bet ya couldn't guess on that last one . The drug house ones I all ran into when I was a teenager myself hanging out in seedy areas like that doing seedy shit...but I stand as a testament that those women with children not only exist but they do so in MASS numbers. And I won't lie, most of them were still under 18. It would make you throw up on yourself if you REALLY knew...but most people don't expose themselves to that like I did.

[know_buddy_kares]

omg jesus fucking christ on a god damn pogo stick cher! I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!! FUCKIN A RIGHT!!!

That was a long read, but well worth it... i award you with manny leg humpings!!!

*humps cher's leg for such a fucking awsome post of TRUTH*

*EDIT* -adding a pic for truth of what happened...

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

yeah, what he said! (well, i'll let him deal w/ the leg humpings, for I am not worthy to perform such things for the almighty Chernobyl)

[Homicidalheathen]

God am I glad I waited. Having kids makes ya so busy and tense...I never would have learned shamanism...finished college...travelled the us and mexico and parts of canada...um no.

[JaneDead]

oops i had more to add:

Also...having a baby DOES NOT make you special or give your life meaning...if anything your life becomes BORING and mundane. I can't even begin to IMAGINE how absolutely boring and empty my life would have to be to think that kids are fun to be around, never the less want one. Sitting around watching Dora the Explorer and playing patty cake all afternoon isn't my idea of a having a ball and living a fufilling live.

i have 3 kids and my life didn't become mundane and boring; different, but not mundane.

and i don't sit around watching dora (the kids do that, sometimes, but not much tv actually-they're not allowed). people who do nothing more than sit by a tv with a kid or make the kid sit by a tv so they do something else are not parenting.

i am not a person who thinks having a child is necessary or that everyone should or that if you don't your life means nothing.

i think it is great when people realize the last thing they want is a child and don't have one. i have TONS of friends without kids, that will never have kids. i have more friends without kids, than with. i don't look down on them for that, i could care less. just as they could care less that i have 3.

i also think it is great when someone thinks it would be amazing to have a child and then have one. to each their own. it doesn't make anyone "better" or more in the "right" to have or not have a child.

it's a choice, always will be.

So yes...HAVING babies doesn't make anymore special than anyone else...graduating college with a doctorate in Nuclear Physics makes you special, being president makes you special, being on TV or in movies makes you special, being an active member in your community makes you special, being a millionaire makes you special, being Mother Theresa makes you special, coming up with the Theory of Relativity makes you special. I could go on. But having a guy stick his dick in your cooter saying "Oh SHIT...I forgot to pull out" and then having the stick turn blue in a month does not make your life more special or meaningful, I'm sorry it really doesn't. I could say that being a GOOD mother makes you special, and that is true, but as I stated before in my life I've met hundred of women with hundreds of children and I can only name off about five that I think did a good job, mine being one of 'em (obviously...since I'm not brainwashed by society into being a sheeple, am 22 with perfect credit and a condo, and give more than I take).

i don't think ANY of that makes ANYONE special.

being a parent does not make you special. being a good parent is necessary but does not make you special either.

graduating college or being president or a millionaire does not make you special either. that is a matter of status or success. neither of which make you special.

but if those things make someone FEEL special than so be it.

but they don't MAKE you special.

Also, as a parenting tip your child should never be your "best friend and soulmate" because they don't need a "best friend" they need a fucking MOM! That's how kids work...they're supposed to go get their best friend from down the STREET (i.e. another little kid their age, not someone who is supposed to be the responsible adult raising them).

i agree with this 110%. kids are not your friends. or your best friends. or your buddies. they are your kids and you are their parent. there should not be a friendship there. i can see saying you are close and they can rely on you - but that goes with being a parent.

Kids who have moms that are best friends 9 times out of 10 will grow up and be horribly dysfunctional with a bad outlook on the world, a huge ego with nothing to back it up, the feeling that they're special (when in fact nobody is special), and also spoiled (which translates into being bad with money in their adulthood and claiming bankruptcy because they ran up $50,000 in credit card debt, happened to my cousin because her parents were her friends). Don't believe me? Go look it up.

i know a girl JUST LIKE THIS> i'd have to say having your mom as a best friend=bad news.

Also...I like my body without stretch marks, thanks. I don't want my stomach to get wrinkly and baggy just to have a kid who doesn't even care (kids don't really care that their mom had them, as a matter of fact some kids are pissed by it like I was). I like my titties where they're at thanks, that would be NOT around my belly button. Good place for 'em, imo.

you're funny. it's true.

but some of us don't mind all that. and it doesn't even always happen to your body. none of that happened the first time around for me... but by the 3rd child... yeah

i have a friend who doesn't want children just for this reason. and i could have never cared less about all that. matter of personal opinion and preference really. sometimes even vanity.

Furthermore, nobody's kids matter to anyone but them and their grandparents usually, and that's the gist of it.

that's not true at all. any child that ever came into my life has mattered deeply to me. i love children and to me they ARE special. even if they are not my own.

though i am not fond of horrible little brats. i know they are horrible little brats because they have horrible little parents. kids only know what they are taught after all. but i am not fond of them none-the-less.

i think people without kids can be just as one sided as people with kids.

i know you said USUALLY not ALWAYS but i am taking from what you are saying as that you may believe childless people all feel like you do and that people with children all feel the same too.

and we don't.

Maybe I'm just sick of having people tell me I'm worthless just because I'd like to actually live a meaningful existance where I do awesome things like have time for college, making more money, traveling the world, having guys find me attactive (because let's face it, men seek out women who don't have kids already unless they themselves have kids or are desperate and can't find anyone else), having a nice house, writing my novels, mixing my industrial, painting my art, traveling to Chernobyl/Amsterdam/Japan/Germany on a regular basis, having life molding experiences, going to the club instead of being stuck home with screamingly ANNOYING AND ANGER INDUCING children, and well...having a life basically.

that's kind of harsh. people with kids can live a meaningful existance too. and just because a woman has a child or 2 or 3 or 4 doesn't make her any less attractive than someone who has none. first and foremost beauty comes from WITHIN. if you are ugly on the inside who gives a fuck what's on the outside.

i have 3 kids and any man who would want to date me is NOT desperate. just saying...

though i do know guys that will not date a woman with a "ready made family" and that is fine too.

i wouldn't want to date a man that feels that way anyways.

but i would never fault him for his preference.

Babies shouldn't be making babies.

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[JaneDead]

I don't doubt your skill, it's just I have yet to see it. But am I right? I don't have respect for those kinds of women, I don't understand how I'm "supposed" to have repect for "all mothers" as Corpse Ecstacy stated, when there's mothers like that in the world.

If you're a good parent like you say you are then keep rockin' it and keep up the good work .

Oh...and yeah...those people were either from Ferndale, Royal Oak, Harrison Twp (the trailer park at Crocker & Jefferson), Hazel Park, south-side of East Detroit / Warren, and last but not least: drug houses in Detroit. Bet ya couldn't guess on that last one . The drug house ones I all ran into when I was a teenager myself hanging out in seedy areas like that doing seedy shit...but I stand as a testament that those women with children not only exist but they do so in MASS numbers. And I won't lie, most of them were still under 18. It would make you throw up on yourself if you REALLY knew...but most people don't expose themselves to that like I did.

oh no, you are right. i do not have respect for those "mothers" because frankly i don't think having a kid makes you a "mother" that means you gave birth. being a mother means putting all that foolishness aside and taking care of another life first.

so no, i don't have respect for all mothers. just as i don't have respect for all people. you earn respect, don't have it handed to you just because of your title in life.

don't know how you ever surrounded yourself with "women" like that. no offense but that is total trash and like i said, i'd have no part of that bullshit! and i believe you, i would throw up to know/be around/witness that shit.

[know_buddy_kares]

Janedead, i think the big difference between what you're saying from your experinece and what people are objecting to has slipped by you.. your experiences tell me that you were well on your feet and were ready by then, the people we're knocking aren't even done being kids yet. BIG difference, we are not knocking adult mothers who had a stable enough life and were ready for it.. we're knocking faggot kids that aint even done with highs school, let alone college (and in present times, yes... you NEED college to get a job that doesn't pay you shitty wages)

We're not totally anti kid and anti parents, true i never want any, but it sounds like you enjoyed your youth fully before you started poppin em out. What we were arguing against is poppin em out when the mother's are too young and haven't settled their lives yet like colledge education, a guy that will actually be a dad, ect (not knocking single moms, but having that 2nd parent is a BIG help) I would know... my dad left when i was in high school, and shit changed alot, my mom became super busy trying to support us and keep the house.. things became very hard and stressful for the whole family without my dad, though he was never there emotionally, the paycheck from his job helped.. once he was gone.. shit got bad instantly with managing food.. spagetti everynight cuz it's affordable? yup... barely made enough to pay off the house we lived in? yup..

kids gave me shit at school? yup... it had a very very hard effect on me personally dropping down to only having one parent even though my dad wasn't really a father figure anyway, he was just the man that paid for shit and that was it. A father figure is needed for the child's sake. I highly reccomend anyone to not do it by themselves. but yet people are stupid, and the stupid fuck everything up in life.

Kid are a big responsability that these yougn'ns don't understand. Yes, having them before they've settled their feet or even graduated high school, and without the 2nd parent there to help... will ruin their lives, even if they don't see it that way. I don't care what anyone's opinion is, people shouldn't have kids before they themselves have grown up some, because lets face it... it's only gonna fuck up the life of the innocent child from the get go. And to me, that's the biggest tragedy.