Great...new Trend Perhaps?

[Oh_My_Goth]

First off,Cherny, thanx for responding to that post, I did not know how to, without being mean.....

(because let's face it, men seek out women who don't have kids already unless they themselves have kids or are desperate and can't find anyone else)

This I don't agree with, I know some pretty awesome hot Mamaz that have gotten some hot men.....

I have a couple Mom friends who scored awesome guys, even over a non-Mom hottie.....

But on the teen parent thing, I think it does damage your life to some extent.....

You risk developing physiological female issues earlier in life.....

You do not experience things like other teens do, and sometimes you end up wanting to do those things later in life, and that can be very not good.....

I have meet some AWESOME teen Moms, but even more shitty ones.....

I also believe kids are not for everyone, people can be perfectly fulfilled either way.....

TEEN PREGNANCY IS NOT A WISE THING TO DO, BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS.....LET'S NOT PROMOTE IT IN THE MEDIA

A planed child has a better chance of a happy life, not always, but more often, and that is enough for Me.....

[know_buddy_kares]

Yeah well she was mocking me, no matter how you look at it.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that, if you don't want kids, that's great, but don't :

1.) Bitch about people who do

2.) Bitch when you yourself become a parent unexpectedly, because this is signaling you to mature up, you can use protecting and contraceptives when you have intercourse, and if you don't, well, expect that a new life will enter your life and atleast accept it with grace and not complain about it like a bratty child.

With teen pregnancy, I don't in any way, shape or form promote it or think that these teens are responsible enough to really take on the full parental role.

But, if these young girls are supported and shown how to be a good mom and are praised for trying to be good mothers, than that's just better for their children and for the teen mother's well-being.

They should be educated with the resources that exist out there to help them succeed even with the challenges that face very young parents, and that you can still go to school and have a great job and be an excellent mother.

It teaches them that working hard only betters the lives of them and their child, and though, that as I said, it may not be easy, but it is do-able.

the support you're talking about that should happen should come from the parents of the kids having these babies. not from the rest of society. There's already enough problems in our society, we shouldn't have to cater to dumb ass teen kids that think having a baby is fashionable because some spoiled know nothing brat celebrity is doing it. Just starting an organization to openly cater to the idiocracy that they pull is only going to encourage more to hop on the band wagon before they're truely ready.

If a girl wants to be a mom, then great be a mom, but only when they've grown up and learned to fly on their own...

This is too much of a growing trend of blatant ignorance to be supportive. Natural selection exists for a reason.. because idiot kids like this are only going to make the rest of us work harder to support them.

And why should anyone be supportive of this idea? If they're too immature to fly on their own, statisticly most of them are going to be deadbeat moms. If you cant talk into these kids that having a baby this early is a bad idea... do you honestly think they're going to listen to parenting classes? No, they're going to neglect the kid and go off and be a kid themselves, wich is gonna dammage their baby's social development considerably.And that's a real tragedy to the child, it's dealt a loosing hand before it really even gets a chance. I've seen it first hand, a girl i used to know at 19 would pass her kid off to whoever the hell she wanted to while she went out and partied and slept with guys, acting like a typica 19 year old would without a kid. Most that get pregnant at that age, dont own up to the responsability.

I'm almost willing to put my money on it that britney's sister is going to give up half way through and have an abortion..

almost willing enough to invest in abortion stock.. because if it happens... the abortion business will be BOOMING because of her followers.

[JaneDead]

I'm almost willing to put my money on it that britney's sister is going to give up half way through and have an abortion..

almost willing enough to invest in abortion stock.. because if it happens... the abortion business will be BOOMING because of her followers.

wrong. she already had the baby in june. i only know this because i was looking at a link for something else yesterday and saw that she had the kid.

[know_buddy_kares]

wrong. she already had the baby in june. i only know this because i was looking at a link for something else yesterday and saw that she had the kid.

damn... call me slowpoke

[Oh_My_Goth]

They could have been less 'in you face' about it.....

She should have took a total back seat, and stayed off camera as much as possible.....

She could have avoided being photographed, almost all together, celebs have done it before.....

If she was mature and cared if getting pregnant would effect her young fans,

she would have left the country on a 'vacation' in an undisclosed location.....

Not strut around like life is normal, because that is not the norm, most young teens who get pregnant end up on welfare and have rough lives with no help from anyone.....

[Angel of Death]

That's because there are people in here who don't believe in souls and Jesus Christ.. (look at my sig., go ahead, click on it.)

:rofl: :rofl:

The Flying Spaghetti Monster oh hellz no... Dani has been ranting bout that shit for weeks! That crap is hilarious. Hunhee have you been touched by his noodly appendage? lmao....Sorry I'm done thread-jacking now...we should start our own thread dedicated to the FSM!!

[Destroit]

I still think anyone in here that states that children ruin lives is a complete and utter moron and lacks basic reasoning and is living in a superficial world...yeah, sure, blame helpless babies and children just because their parents are selfish and don't appreciate what life is.

But fuck ups always say things from the rotted parts of their mind...so, whatever.

So apparantly you didn't read anything that I typed...but...

I BLAME PARENTS 110% OF THE TIME! If anything we can go so far as to say that PARENTS ruin their OWN lives by getting knocked up and the lives of their kids. But apparantly, I'm guessing that you must either be sheltered or well taken care of. Do you know what it's like to raise a kid while you're homeless and hopping from COUCH to COUCH not sleeping in the same place every night? Do you know what it's like to have to tell your kid they get ONE Gi Joe for Christmas where the little boy down the block got an XboX 360?

No...I take it you weren't the poor kid on the block growing up like myself and all of my friends but lemme tell you...IT'S HORRIBLE. Most of my friends actually have told their parents that they wish they had been aborted instead of growing up in that sort of childhood. I can quote parents that I know saying that "having a kid ruined their lives" BECAUSE IT CAN. It's SHALLOW and superficial to say that it CAN'T happen. It's shallow to not understand that if you have a kid you want the BEST for that child...and living in a friend's basement with cockroaches, feeding your kid Ramen Noodles EVERY MEAL OF THEIR DAY (has no vitamins and minerals might I add) while your roommate upstairs is blowing pot smoke into said basement because it's their house and at the same time sending your kid to lovely our Detroit Public School district with no father figure in sight is not only "not the best" for your kid...IT'S HORRIBLE. I wouldn't wish it on children in 3rd world countries and yet there's kids here raised like that EVERY day...I know because a lot of them are friends of mine and their mothers dropped out of high school in order to have them. Anyone who still says that "it's superficial to not want kids in this condition" is a total looney basket case.

Hell...I love kids. I love kids to the point where I'm always taking care of OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS FOR FREE...not because I enjoy their company (as I've said before, just me personally, kids wear me down after about a half hour) but because, like with domestic animals, I realize it's not the kid's fault that their parent is a total fuck up loser.

I've sat there and single handedly taught kids to read, I've talked to them, played with them, TAUGHT them all by MYSELF how to behave in society...because their parents sure the hell weren't doing any of that. I don't even LIKE kids...but I'm such a "shallow and superfical" person that I've taken countless hours of my time doing these things with other people's children because I realize how amazing and innocent they are; that they're a life that was plopped down into the nightmare that they're living with their horrible loser drugged out parents and can't do anything about it. I did all this for NOTHING except for the sheer knowledge that I helped the world a little bit. So call me superficial all you want...your words can't phase me because I know they aren't true. I've even done this with neighborhood kids of people I don't know...not even friends or relatives. There was a woman that lived across from me who has TEN KIDS in a TOWNHOUSE and she couldn't even remember their NAMES. I MADE myself play with them even though I COULDN'T STAND THEM (once again kids=annoying, imo, even well behaved ones wear on me. I think it's their high pitched voices. Also since these kids NEVER got one-on-one with their mother they're HORRIBLY behaved and starved for attention 24/7...making them even harder to deal with) I knew as a MATURE ADULT that I needed to help them because if I didn't nobody would.

So here is a paragraph, based on 100% pure honest truth:

IF YOU FEED YOUR KID A STAPLE DIET OF HOT DOGS, BLOW CRACK/WEED SMOKE IN THEIR FACE, YELL AT THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE DRUNK, BEAT THEM BECAUSE IT FEELS GOOD, LET YOUR BOYFRIEND MOLEST THEM BECAUSE "YOU STAND BY YOUR MAN", LET THEM DO BADLY IN SCHOOL AND ALLOW THEM TO CHEAT/SLACK/SKIP THEN BLAME THE TEACHERS BECAUSE YOUR KID IS "PRECIOUS" , REFUSE TO GET A JOB WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE STARVING, LET THEM BE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY BOTH BEHAVIORALLY AND FINANCIALLY YOU DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND HAVE A BIG FUCKING BRIGHT NEON ORANGE & RED TATTOO ON YOUR FOREHEAD THAT SAYS "I WAS A HORRIBLE PARENT AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN KNOCKED UP".

MAN....I don't think I've ever used so many caps in one post. But the above caps paragraph is 100% FACT and I couldn't ever imagine a sane person disagreeing with it. And everything I put in that paragraph I have seen on MULTIPLE (think MORE than dozens of times) occasions with my OWN eyes. It does happen and it's happening in your neighborhood but people are too busy "supporting mothers" than to make it any of their business and stand up against it.

[Destroit]

That's because there are people in here who don't believe in souls and Jesus Christ.. (look at my sig., go ahead, click on it.)

Well put! And may I add that those of us that do believe in souls/God (i.e. myself) realize that it is FOOLISH to believe your soul should completely intertwine with other mortal beings. Right now on Earth we are just inside of our shells, imo, and you can get close to people, sure, but never FULLY wrap yourself in them. The only person/being your soul should be linked interchangably to is God, imo.

But now I'm getting off topic...

[punk_princess]

The DGN buttons are a great new trend.

[JaneDead]

Hell...I love kids.

I don't even LIKE kids...

I MADE myself play with them even though I COULDN'T STAND THEM (once again kids=annoying, imo, even well behaved ones wear on me.

hehe sorry, this was funny to me

[know_buddy_kares]

The DGN buttons are a great new trend.

oh jesus fucking christ!! lmao!!

And as for what you said JaneDead, I noticed the same thing but I chose not to really comment because there's a difference between like and love. It is possible to love something but dislike it, as well as liking something but not loving it. So yeah i can see where she's coming from. Sorta like myspace's "Love kids, but not for me" bag. I love em, got a god son, but man I don't like em enough to actually have them.

[Destroit]

Sorry that my views are emotionally based and make sense...

Oxymoron? The words "emotionally based" and "make sense" don't belong in the same sentence, it's the same as saying Jumbo Shrimp. They definately contrast each other...unless logic is an emotion. Logic makes sense. Emotions, most of the time, defy logic entirely. Unless we're talking about the emotion "irate"...irate is totally kick ass emotion that isn't for wimps...but once again...I am getting off track .

[JaneDead]

And as for what you said JaneDead, I noticed the same thing but I chose not to really comment because there's a difference between like and love. It is possible to love something but dislike it, as well as liking something but not loving it. So yeah i can see where she's coming from. Sorta like myspace's "Love kids, but not for me" bag. I love em, got a god son, but man I don't like em enough to actually have them.

oh, i have loved that which i have not liked many times as well.

[Destroit]

hehe sorry, this was funny to me

Oh I know...and I feel bad sometimes for not inherently liking the company of kids. I see all these women having a ball with their children and think to myself "ohhh...I wish I could like that" but it's like a gay person who continually tries to convince themselves that they're straight - it's not REALLY gonna happen. I can't FORCE myself to enjoy kids...it's just how I am. I tried to force myself to like babies/kids since I was 8 and eventually by the time I was getting out of high school I realized that it was never going to happen.

SO...around kids I basically just put on the best face I can and pretend like I'm happy to see them, showering them with love and attention. It's REALLY funny to my guy friends when this happens...like, me, holding a baby? Come on....it would look totally ridiculous and you know it, it's okay to laugh . People are usually reluctant to hand me their child in fear that I may eat them due to my appearance .

Kids love me for some reason...I mean walking into my house I have to do it all Splinter Cell style...hiding behind garbage cans and cars until the coast is clear. I wish I was like my boyfriend, Raven. You know what he attracts? Kitties. Dead serious. I hate him for it every day...even my OWN kitty likes him more than she likes me *pout*. My GAWD what I would give for kitty attracting powers...I'd volunteer my summers at the Humane Society at 22 Mile and when nobody was looking...I'd open ALL the kitty cages at ONCE.

[JaneDead]

Oh I know...and I feel bad sometimes for not inherently liking the company of kids. I see all these women having a ball with their children and think to myself "ohhh...I wish I could like that" but it's like a gay person who continually tries to convince themselves that they're straight - it's not REALLY gonna happen. I can't FORCE myself to enjoy kids...it's just how I am. I tried to force myself to like babies/kids since I was 8 and eventually by the time I was getting out of high school I realized that it was never going to happen.

SO...around kids I basically just put on the best face I can and pretend like I'm happy to see them, showering them with love and attention. It's REALLY funny to my guy friends when this happens...like, me, holding a baby? Come on....it would look totally ridiculous and you know it, it's okay to laugh . People are usually reluctant to hand me their child in fear that I may eat them due to my appearance .

Kids love me for some reason...I mean walking into my house I have to do it all Splinter Cell style...hiding behind garbage cans and cars until the coast is clear. I wish I was like my boyfriend, Raven. You know what he attracts? Kitties. Dead serious. I hate him for it every day...even my OWN kitty likes him more than she likes me *pout*. My GAWD what I would give for kitty attracting powers...I'd volunteer my summers at the Humane Society at 22 Mile and when nobody was looking...I'd open ALL the kitty cages at ONCE.

well, maybe you tried because you felt that is what was more acceptable or maybe even "expected" of you as a female?

i had a man once tell me that he thought women SHOULD have children and followed that with "don't you agree?" i said no, i think it's a choice, i don't think anyone should have children unless they want to. he believes that because women can (physically) have babies they SHOULD! and i thought how offensive. just because i have 3 doesn't mean i think women should have them too! once again, it's a choice.

my friend's husband does not like children. every time he sees me with mine he gives me this look like "how dare you have so many!" i think it is hilarious he doesn't get why anyone would want any let alone as many as i have.

ok not that any of what i said has to do with anything just think it is funny in it's own way.

[Destroit]

Hey I am all for respecting people who don't want children.

"are an empty shell living a superficial, mundane life."

"childless fuckheads who have no respect for the gift of life."

....

....

WHAT?!?!

Damn...I thank you for respecting me enough to say that my life is superficial and mundane. I haven't been called a "childless fuckhead" in a LONG time...and lemme tell you...it means ALOT to me (aka...do you even read what you write? Serious question.)

[Destroit]

well, maybe you tried because you felt that is what was more acceptable or maybe even "expected" of you as a female?

i had a man once tell me that he thought women SHOULD have children and followed that with "don't you agree?" i said no, i think it's a choice, i don't think anyone should have children unless they want to. he believes that because women can (physically) have babies they SHOULD! and i thought how offensive. just because i have 3 doesn't mean i think women should have them too! once again, it's a choice.

my friend's husband does not like children. every time he sees me with mine he gives me this look like "how dare you have so many!" i think it is hilarious he doesn't get why anyone would want any let alone as many as i have.

ok not that any of what i said has to do with anything just think it is funny in it's own way.

I've been meaning to do this the entire thread but, here you go: +1

I honorably +1 you due to the fact that you have made 100% sheer and unbiased sense this entire thread. Anyone else reading this: Be more like Jane Dead.

And I was meaning to apologize to you and everyone for the slight harshness at the end of my original huge ass post. See...remember how I said irate is a kick ass emotion that isn't for wimps? When I wrote that original post...that's pretty much what I felt so it was hard for me to bite my tongue.

I also, don't think that having children and means your life is meaningless...I just have so many things in my life that I deem to be better than having children in MY PERSONAL life that I couldn't see ME having any unless I was bored. I obviously applaud women who WANT kids and want to raise them to be functional and contributing assets to society...it is a job in itself and SHOULD have meaning behind it...I'm just different and for ME having a kid wouldn't work out unless I was, as I stated, absolutely 100% done with anything fun in my life.

But...notice how I said 100% done with fun in my life? It's a tragedy that so many girls get a little bun in the oven when they're not done living (i.e. living = IMPORTANT! It's why you're here). I understand giving back to the world SOMEDAY by having children...but anyone that WILLINGLY tries to have a kid in high school and is "proud of it" has a few screws loose.

Highschool girls don't care that their kids will one day be adults that the rest of us will have to deal with...all they care about is the fact that they have a cute little dolly that loves them and is warm to the touch and they can say "OOH! This is MY trophy! I'm SPECIAL because I gave birth to this trophy! Wanna hold him?"

That doesn't go for girls who ACCIDENTALLY get pregnant in HS...but if it's intentional, you did it on purpose, and just love the attention from others...then you're psycho. Sorry, the truth hurts like a really big band-aid getting ripped off from time to time, but truth is the band-aid of LIFE.

Oh...and Jane Dead...as for that pinheaded asshole you know? I would have firstedly yelled REALLY loud. That lets men know that A) You must also be manly and B) You mean business and are irate. Then I would have picked up my beer bottle, 'cause God knows I'd probably have one handy, and broke it over his head. Then I would have kicked him in his gonads so damn hard his proctologist would have been forced to remove them from his colon. But EH...that's just ME.

[JaneDead]

I also, don't think that having children and means your life is meaningless...I just have so many things in my life that I deem to be better than having children in MY PERSONAL life that I couldn't see ME having any unless I was bored. I obviously applaud women who WANT kids and want to raise them to be functional and contributing assets to society...it is a job in itself and SHOULD have meaning behind it...I'm just different and for ME having a kid wouldn't work out unless I was, as I stated, absolutely 100% done with anything fun in my life.

and i have so much more respect for people who are honest and say- kids aren't for me, they would ruin MY life, i won't have them. instead of faking it and acting like they like kids/want kids when they know it is the furthest thing from their mind.

i've always known i wanted children. ALWAYS. it is not like i thought my life would mean nothing without them but the truth is, my life does mean so much more with them. i love my kids more than anything ever. and if someone can't feel that way about a child, they for sure should not have one! ever.

i don't think you need to view it as "absolutely 100% done with anything fun in my life" because you can still have fun.

i think it's more accurate to say that you are 100% ready to change how you live your life (how you have your fun) to be able to put a child first, always, no matter what. maybe to you that = no more fun. but really... it's not. it's just your "fun" might have to take on a new meaning.

[JaneDead]

Oh...and Jane Dead...as for that pinheaded asshole you know? I would have firstedly yelled REALLY loud. That lets men know that A) You must also be manly and B) You mean business and are irate. Then I would have picked up my beer bottle, 'cause God knows I'd probably have one handy, and broke it over his head. Then I would have kicked him in his gonads so damn hard his proctologist would have been forced to remove them from his colon. But EH...that's just ME.

he is my chiropractor and we were in his office. no beer bottles handy.

i just made it clear that even though *I* have children i don't believe that *ALL* women should just because they "can". that's sexist and unrealistic. not sure where he was coming from with that point of view. i really didn't want it to go further and it was dropped.

[boshy]

Yeah well she was mocking me, no matter how you look at it.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that, if you don't want kids, that's great, but don't :

1.) Bitch about people who do

2.) Bitch when you yourself become a parent unexpectedly, because this is signaling you to mature up, you can use protecting and contraceptives when you have intercourse, and if you don't, well, expect that a new life will enter your life and atleast accept it with grace and not complain about it like a bratty child.

With teen pregnancy, I don't in any way, shape or form promote it or think that these teens are responsible enough to really take on the full parental role.

But, if these young girls are supported and shown how to be a good mom and are praised for trying to be good mothers, than that's just better for their children and for the teen mother's well-being.

They should be educated with the resources that exist out there to help them succeed even with the challenges that face very young parents, and that you can still go to school and have a great job and be an excellent mother.

It teaches them that working hard only betters the lives of them and their child, and though, that as I said, it may not be easy, but it is do-able.

Not on my tax dollar thank you! Then I won't bitch. The parents of the teens should be expected to provide financial support not the tax payers.

Cher's Mom

[tanuki1985]

Kids love me for some reason...I mean walking into my house I have to do it all Splinter Cell style...hiding behind garbage cans and cars until the coast is clear.

I have the same problem. It's probably because we're nice to them and give them the attention that they lack.

[punk_princess]

Anywho back on the topic of great new trends....

The spin the wheel buttons that tanuki, xanthein, & I had on last saturday at CC were awesome plus its a great way to strike up a conversation with someone you don't know.

[know_buddy_kares]

someone seems a little defensive about this thread....

[Destroit]

Anywho back on the topic of great new trends....

The spin the wheel buttons that tanuki, xanthein, & I had on last saturday at CC were awesome plus its a great way to strike up a conversation with someone you don't know.

I smell a threadjacker! Naughty *tsk tsk*!

And in either case, those buttons are cool, but the best icebreaker is to walk up to someone and ask them how their spleen is. Everyone knows that.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Anywho back on the topic of great new trends....

The spin the wheel buttons that tanuki, xanthein, & I had on last saturday at CC were awesome plus its a great way to strike up a conversation with someone you don't know.

The topic was not about any new trendz, it was about teen pregnancy.....

The title was a bit sarcastic, perhaps that threw you.....