Hydrogen Injection

[Goth Brooks]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v312/jug...t=VIDEO_006.flv

its an on demand system no storage or accumulation of gasses its all fed directly into the breather, as its produced,

its sweet i got an electronic fuel injector enhancer,

basically a black box with a knob on it to lean out the

gasoline to air mixture , once everything is warmed up

you turn to the lean side till it starts to miss ,

then you back off a little.

set the cruze control and i can go fully lean to get 19.4 mpg

as opposed to the 12.6 with out the hydrogen generator.

I have a 1994 jeep grand cherokie limited,,

full time all wheel drive 5.2 V8 i guess the mpg meter is standard, i can switch to adverage milage or just set it for temp and compass .

I dont know if its accurate, but the 12.6 to 19.4 change was inpressive and very promissing

on a side note 5 weeks ago when i started researching these generators they went for $50 on ebay.

as i learned more by reading the sales adds

i decided to get one rather than try to build one.

but when i had the money to buy one they had gained popularity and price to $500

after several attempts at low bidding i found this one as a kit, at a reduced price,

I guess they skrewed up because it came fully assembled

took about 20 min to install.

I did add the EFIE to fool the computer, for $30 now they are 55 plus.

i just need to rack up some miles and see how much gasoline I have to replace. but alas, no money till next week .

[ttogreh]

I think that mixing hydrogen in to a gasoline engine is pretty cool. For instance, you can generate the hydrogen at home, with an electrolyzer, either run it off of the wall out let (second hand coal), or from like a solar panel on your roof, or a wind mill in your back yard.

Just add water.

Now, sure, you can also buy the hydrogen, but that DEFINITELY came from natural gas, so it would drive up your heating bill if a lot of people started adding bought hydrogen to their fuel systems.

[SaGa]

i think dgn should just be a self sufficiant goth commun

we have so much do it yourself talent im sure we could be off the grid and drive without paying hicked up gas

[Onyx]

Hydrogen and gasoline - sounds really super explosive. eh? I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable driving around with that combo.

[Goth Brooks]

Hydrogen and gasoline - sounds really super explosive. eh? I think I'd be a bit uncomfortable driving around with that combo.

"its an on demand system no storage or accumulation of gasses its all fed directly into the breather, as its produced,"

Basically you add water, turn it on and the hydrogen is produced/burned immediately.

No more or less dangerous than nitrous, imo.. and I believe it's far cheaper and far more efficient. I believe, I haven't researched it at all.

[ttogreh]

So the hydrogen is produced from the car's electrical system? Hmm... I wonder if the extra wear and tear on the alternator and battery may make such a set-up a "robbing Peter to pay Paul" sort of thing...

[Msterbeau]

What makes the hydrogen?

[Rev.Reverence]

*looks like a confused caveman*

COOL...I think..

*scratch*

[Goth Brooks]

What makes the hydrogen?

electrolysis.

http://www.umpquaenergy.com/hydrogengenerator/tero_cell.pdf

this isn't the generator he has, but a similar system.

[Msterbeau]

electrolysis.

http://www.umpquaenergy.com/hydrogengenerator/tero_cell.pdf

this isn't the generator he has, but a similar system.

Read towards the bottom... There's no way any current alternator can produce what's needed to even insignificantly effect

And to quote:

"A common misconception is to think that you can dilute oxyhydrogen gas with air and run the

engine with very small amounts of gas. Oxyhydrogen gas is in itself a perfectly proportioned

mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gasses, which combusts perfectly leaving no hydrogen or oxygen

but only water vapor and heat. Adding any air will make it combust imperfectly and release less

energy for same volume of gas. "

I think it's bullshit. Manufacturers would have long ago tried this if it made sense.

[Rev.Reverence]

Read towards the bottom... There's no way any current alternator can produce what's needed to even insignificantly effect

And to quote:

"A common misconception is to think that you can dilute oxyhydrogen gas with air and run the

engine with very small amounts of gas. Oxyhydrogen gas is in itself a perfectly proportioned

mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gasses, which combusts perfectly leaving no hydrogen or oxygen

but only water vapor and heat. Adding any air will make it combust imperfectly and release less

energy for same volume of gas. "

I think it's bullshit. Manufacturers would have long ago tried this if it made sense.

Isn't it viable then to make a better alternator?

Research/Development feasibility?...(question to you mechanic/science folks)

[Msterbeau]

Isn't it viable then to make a better alternator?

Research/Development feasibility?...(question to you mechanic/science folks)

Not from what I read. You need an 80hp alternator. That's crazy. You end up wasting far too much energy to make your hydrogen. Also... water is heavy... and where are you going to store all the water you need?

[Goth Brooks]

Manufacturers would have long ago tried this if it made sense.

[tinfoil hat]OMFG The Big Manufacturers are all in bed with BIG OIL!!!!![/tinfoil hat]

[Rev.Reverence]

[tinfoil hat]OMFG The Big Manufacturers are all in bed with BIG OIL!!!!![/tinfoil hat]

So you think there is a possible way around it...the alternator that is.

[Msterbeau]

[tinfoil hat]OMFG The Big Manufacturers are all in bed with BIG OIL!!!!![/tinfoil hat]

That article you pointed to says otherwise. Manufacturers can't defy physics. This thing is just another 200mpg carburetor.

[Goth Brooks]

That article you pointed to says otherwise. Manufacturers can't defy physics. This thing is just another 200mpg carburetor.

I'm not the one doing the experimenting with the system, and I haven't read into it enough. So I can't even give an opinion on it one way or the other.

[Rev.Reverence]

That article you pointed to says otherwise. Manufacturers can't defy physics. This thing is just another 200mpg carburetor.

Please explain this term/concept...

[Msterbeau]

I'm not the one doing the experimenting with the system, and I haven't read into it enough. So I can't even give an opinion on it one way or the other.

So you didn't even read the link you posted? Not that I read it all... but I at least got as far as the pertinent info on cars and the gizmo this whole thread is about. It's bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. If there's a measurable improvement from the device, it's not through what it says it is.

[Msterbeau]

Please explain this term/concept...

http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

[Goth Brooks]

So you didn't even read the link you posted? Not that I read it all... but I at least got as far as the pertinent info on cars and the gizmo this whole thread is about. It's bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. If there's a measurable improvement from the device, it's not through what it says it is.

I read through some of it, but not all of it.

As for it being bullshit, the guy doing the experiment is the one shelling out the cash, doing the experimenting and posting his results for his friends with no hidden agenda. If he says he saw a 6mpg increase in his vehicle, I have no reason to doubt him.

[Rev.Reverence]

SO A 200mpg carburetor is BS...

& I got REALLY lost trying to read through that link you guys are talking about...in case you did not notice..

[AstralCrux]

I'm aware of something simiar that my dad is working on. He's increased gas mileage, but I don't understand how it works in the slightest. It's only been tested in short trips, though I'd be glad to help test a long one.

Hydrogen from water can be used, but like I said- I have no clue how he's doing it. (I have figured that they are adding a chemical to the water)

[ttogreh]

Well, actually, they are adding a catalyst to the water. See, for electrolysis to work effectively, a simple solution like baking soda or an acid added to the water allows the electricity to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen.

Using the electricity from the car's electrical system and injecting the gas into the cars aspiration probably WOULD make the engine burn the gasoline more efficiently.