Homicidalheathen Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 So in other words... You are not voting for him because of his racial background..... No more because I don't think he is sincere and is just using it to get in, then he will do whatever he is told by a bunch of rich white assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellion Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 The one thing that always pissed me off is false accusations on others,implying they are racist,some people need to get some facts right,without bs assuming.disliking or hating someone because of their color/race is wrong.we all here know thatthere is nothing wrong at all hating/disliking someone because they are being an assholemaybe an asteroid hitting this planet wll stop racism(being sarcastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I never said anything about excusing racism. I see absolutely nothing wrong with NAACP, UNCF, BET, etc. Those DNA tests were not available when those were founded, so your reasoning is flawed. Until such tests, all the average slave ancestor could tell you was that they were from africa.. that is it. So no, telling african americans that BLACK pride is racist, is stupid. And white pride is racist, imo. As I said, why should I give a damn that you are white and so am I? That doesn't make us brothers if you're a guinea wop greaser and I'm a drunk mick paddy boy. It's simply something for the white majority to rub into the black's face. It's like whites who say nigger means ghetto/ignorant people, as opposed to being a slur against ALL blacks. And I'm Norwegian, for what it's worth. Alex Haley traced his family before DNA tests. You don't have to say you are excusing something to be excusing it. You are not only excusing it, your justifying it. It's called White guilt. Equal Rights apply to EVERY ONE, including whites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightgaunt Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 We need to have racism in this country. If we weren't fighting each other, we might pay attention to what's actually going on in our government, and THAT would be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goth Brooks Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Alex Haley traced his family before DNA tests. You don't have to say you are excusing something to be excusing it. You are not only excusing it, your justifying it. It's called White guilt. Equal Rights apply to EVERY ONE, including whites. First off Haley was guilty of plagiarism, who knows how much of what he traced was true. Second, that's one person out of how many thousands of slave families? Third, don't you dare try to say I'm justifying racism against whites. I lived in St Thomas for 3yrs, the horrendous amount of racism towards whites on that island (And the USVIs as a whole) is mind blowing and scarring, and I lived with it during my early teens. Not one single moment during my time there did I feel any of it was justified. I am not some mamby pamby socialist crybaby who bawls reading La Amistad, or Malcolm X. If someone claimed a Gaelic, Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian Pride whatever was racist, then I would agree with you. To sit there and say that you are proud of being white is just flaunting it into blacks faces that you probably know your ancestry, and they probably don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellion Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 We need to have racism in this country. If we weren't fighting each other, we might pay attention to what's actually going on in our government, and THAT would be a disaster. yeah no one but us non sheeple pay attention to what the bs government is doing hey I am white trash,I guess i am a racist for saying that,LOL good post NG hey Bill Cosby said it right the first time,he rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashlei Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I love crackas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 First off Haley was guilty of plagiarism, who knows how much of what he traced was true. Second, that's one person out of how many thousands of slave families? Third, don't you dare try to say I'm justifying racism against whites. I lived in St Thomas for 3yrs, the horrendous amount of racism towards whites on that island (And the USVIs as a whole) is mind blowing and scarring, and I lived with it during my early teens. Not one single moment during my time there did I feel any of it was justified. I am not some mamby pamby socialist crybaby who bawls reading La Amistad, or Malcolm X. If someone claimed a Gaelic, Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian Pride whatever was racist, then I would agree with you. To sit there and say that you are proud of being white is just flaunting it into blacks faces that you probably know your ancestry, and they probably don't. Your argument is laughable at best. You are justifying and excusing giving one group of people a Right based on the color of their skin, while denying it to anther, i.e. Black's only scholarships are OK, but Whites only scholarships are racists. This is exactly what the equal rights movement was about. Equality for EVERYONE. Attitudes toward race like yours need to be wiped out just as much the cross burning attitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitsMcGee Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Then there are people that make their living off of supposed "racism". Their names: Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton Louis Farrakhan Jeremiah Wright ...you get the idea. Racial controversy (even when there is none in a particular situation) keeps certain people's pockets lined... ain't that the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I love crackas. Mmmm crackas and cheese~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 We need to have racism in this country. If we weren't fighting each other, we might pay attention to what's actually going on in our government, and THAT would be a disaster. In the media one week it's pit bulls as a scapegoat, next, week racism and so on.. gas prices, the Olympics, ... ad infinitum. All just distractions to what's really happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerLili Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Because I had a love for books, often with my nose in one, for science, for things above and beyond the ghetto, I was singled out and picked on. I think that's generally the treatment intelligent kids are given, regardless of their race, and probably the reason many of us today identify with the "goth" scene. It draws more intelligent, more worldly people. Anyway: I grew up in a small town full of very closed-minded people who I could could probably describe as racist, though I prefer to use the term prejudiced, since they hated pretty much everyone who wasn't a white, conservative, straight Christians who believed in very traditional gender roles. I hated every minute of it and couldn't wait to get away. I don't think of myself as a racist, but I don't think of myself as colorblind, either. I think we are all born with a small degree of prejudice against those who are different. You hear small children who are barely old enough talk say things like "Mommy, why is that man brown, he looks funny." They are obviously too young to mean it in an offensive way, but it's human nature to notice how other people are different from ourselves. I will agree that I don't like people who live up to the negative stereotypes associated with their races. I will admit that I hated living in Southfield next to so many black people who seemed all too willing to do the negative things that people associate with black people. Of course they are not indicative of all black people, and if I were a hard-working, intelligent black person I would probably be annoyed with them. Redneck-types certainly annoy the hell out of me. I don't like racial slurs. Period. Ever. I can understand the argument for a certain race "reclaiming" words that have been used against them as racial slurs, but I don't agree with it. Those words exist in the first place to promote hate and discord. Why keep them around at all? I don't think that being multi-racial makes one any less of a racist. Ignorance is ignorance no matter what color or colors you are. Having friends of different races...Well, it's certainly a step in the right direction, as it means you are more open-minded than those who won't associate with other races at all, but it doesn't automatically make you not-racist. I hate the way diversity is portrayed in the media. I hate how they inforce racial stereotypes, and how they so often have to have a "token black/Hispanic/Asian guy/girl". I make little to no distinction between those who make racist jokes and those who find them funny. Just because you aren't clever enough to come up with jokes of your own doesn't mean you're not racist. You're still making fun of others for being different from you. I think racism is a small part of the general problem the people in this country seem to be becoming more and more ignorant all the time. *sighs* Those are my off-the-cuff thoughts on racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Az_ Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Racism is as old as time. The only thing that rids us of racism is understanding, knowledge, compassion, and open mindedness. These things are difficult to come by when we live in a society that champions individuality, competition, and selfishness combined with an increasingly complex world around us. People tend to wind up feeling cut off and isolated from one another. We are hooked into glowing boxes(tv) and fed a diet of violence and fear that keep us scared to turn away. So yeah... racism continues to exist and will continue to do so for a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelingchrome Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 We need to have racism in this country. If we weren't fighting each other, we might pay attention to what's actually going on in our government, and THAT would be a disaster. Here here!!! Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taysteewonderbunny Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I highly recommend a book by Jonathan Marks, published by University of Berkeley Press, 2002: What It Means to be 98% Chimpanzee. Below is paragraph 1 of chapter 3: The most prominent, or at least newsworthy, of our seemingly natural categories is race. We tend to divide people into a few large categories: white, yellow, black, red, or the more politically correct Europeans, Asians, Africans, and Native Americans. And we tend to perceive facial features that stereotypically follow this division: light skin, almond eyes, kinky hair, beaked nose. In fact, these categories do not reflect any natural division of the human species and have principally been the construction of social history. Marks, Jonathan. What It Means to Be 98% Chimpanzee : Apes, People, and Their Genes. Ewing, NJ, USA: University of California Press, 2002. p 51. http://site.ebrary.com/lib/wayne/Doc?id=10048954&ppg=66 Copyright © 2002. University of California Press. All rights reserved. I recommend reading the whole book, but chapters 3, 4 and 10 give good insight into the history of 'race'. Personally, I think what we call 'racism' should be called what it is: xenophobia--fear and hatred of those one perceives as not being like oneself. [edited to add note--the link likely won't work unless you have Wayne State affiliation and usage permissions] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goth Brooks Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Your argument is laughable at best. You are justifying and excusing giving one group of people a Right based on the color of their skin, while denying it to anther, i.e. Black's only scholarships are OK, but Whites only scholarships are racists.This is exactly what the equal rights movement was about. Equality for EVERYONE. Attitudes toward race like yours need to be wiped out just as much the cross burning attitudes. Tell you what, since you are such an advocate of DNA genealogy, you pay for every black to have theirs done. Then they'll know what region of origins they can take pride in, then we can get rid of NAACP, UNCF, BET, and replace them with groups that celebrate specific african tribes, countries, or regions. Until then, get over yourself and stop trying to justify racist actions. Good job ignoring the fact that your piece of proof was a liar, or the simple fact that I seem to have pointed out that my attitude towards race is simply this: Celebrating the colour of your skin is retarded, with the exceptions of slave ancestors who have no bloody choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiko_Dreads Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 *clears throat* 1. THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RACISM 2. PEOPLE OTHER THAN BLACKS CAN BE PROUD OF THEMSELVES 3. IGNORANCE SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY LAW 4. I DONT CARE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE RACIST 5. I MAKE STEREOTYPICAL JOKES, AM I RACIST? 6. VOTING FOR OBAMA (IDK MIGHT NOT VOTE AT ALL) 7.I DONT KNOW RACIST PEOPLE BCUZ MY FAM IS ABOUT 10 DIFFERENET RACES. You cant always change other peoples views becuz they dont want to change. I dont really care about tracing my African heritage bcuz I dont really care that Im "black". Being a certain color doesnt really phase me unless Im being chased by men in white sheets. Voting for Obama, probably not. I might not vote at all becuz I dont care for either canidates. I dont know racist people becuz I know people of all races so being friends with a racist would contridict my way of life. I dont think that making stereotype jokes is racist bcuz comedy comes in all forms. Anybody can be a nigga. If you are black, white, brown, yellow, orange or blue you can be a nigga bcuz you can be ignorant. I dont even care who uses the word nigga bcuz it doesnt mean anything to me as a person. I dont condone using the word nigga bcuz I would consider you ignorant for using it in the first place. These are just my thoughts on the topic. I hope you enjoyed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChylde Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 *clears throat* 1. THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RACISM 2. PEOPLE OTHER THAN BLACKS CAN BE PROUD OF THEMSELVES 3. IGNORANCE SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY LAW 4. I DONT CARE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE RACIST 5. I MAKE STEREOTYPICAL JOKES, AM I RACIST? 6. VOTING FOR OBAMA (IDK MIGHT NOT VOTE AT ALL) 7.I DONT KNOW RACIST PEOPLE BCUZ MY FAM IS ABOUT 10 DIFFERENET RACES. You cant always change other peoples views becuz they dont want to change. I dont really care about tracing my African heritage bcuz I dont really care that Im "black". Being a certain color doesnt really phase me unless Im being chased by men in white sheets. Voting for Obama, probably not. I might not vote at all becuz I dont care for either canidates. I dont know racist people becuz I know people of all races so being friends with a racist would contridict my way of life. I dont think that making stereotype jokes is racist bcuz comedy comes in all forms. Anybody can be a nigga. If you are black, white, brown, yellow, orange or blue you can be a nigga bcuz you can be ignorant. I dont even care who uses the word nigga bcuz it doesnt mean anything to me as a person. I dont condone using the word nigga bcuz I would consider you ignorant for using it in the first place. These are just my thoughts on the topic. I hope you enjoyed them. Pretty much well said. The problem is that some has to dwell on racism and cry about it. Whoever just makes racail jokes and laughs about it, therefor it shows that person moved on. I guess thats what makes you and I different from the others. Oh for phee's question. I wasnt saying that there was anything wrong about talking about one others bloodine for a social matter. Just only implying that to the ones who shove it down others throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Az_ Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Alex Haley traced his family before DNA tests. You don't have to say you are excusing something to be excusing it. You are not only excusing it, your justifying it. It's called White guilt. Equal Rights apply to EVERY ONE, including whites. That would be fine if everyone were starting out on equal footing. But in a society that still pushes people down simply for the color of their skin measures have to be taken to overcome such adversity. Or are you saying that we now live in a society where the idea that blacks are equal in everyone's eyes? Or are you saying that there is no longer any social stigma associated with being black? As long as inequality exists due to matters of race there will need to be actions taken to overcome such racism if we intend to move towards a more equal society. And sometimes that means giving benefit to some and not to others. Sometimes due to social ills we must lend a hand in order to help some overcome the blocks our society creates for them. Hooray for those that overcome them on their own. But until the day arrives that there is nothing of that particular social ill to overcome some are going to need a hand to overcome it. And yes there are other issues that require attention and a hand up. Classism, economic hardship, sexism, and a host of other ills still conflict within our society. So its not an easy measure at all times. Sometimes it is a white person that needs a hand up given their circumstances. But as of right now there is no social hardship from simply being white. So if being white is the sole criteria of determining if they require a hand up its not going to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Tell you what, since you are such an advocate of DNA genealogy, you pay for every black to have theirs done. Then they'll know what region of origins they can take pride in, then we can get rid of NAACP, UNCF, BET, and replace them with groups that celebrate specific african tribes, countries, or regions. Until then, get over yourself and stop trying to justify racist actions. Good job ignoring the fact that your piece of proof was a liar, or the simple fact that I seem to have pointed out that my attitude towards race is simply this: Celebrating the colour of your skin is retarded, with the exceptions of slave ancestors who have no bloody choice. Wow. I'm not the one justifying and excusing racists behavior... you are. I did not address your rebuttal of Haley because Haley was charged and convicted of plagiarism.. not lieing about his heritage. And yes, your views are pretty simple when it comes to race. You really need to learn what the word Equal means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaf The Horse With Tears Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 That would be fine if everyone were starting out on equal footing. But in a society that still pushes people down simply for the color of their skin measures have to be taken to overcome such adversity. Or are you saying that we now live in a society where the idea that blacks are equal in everyone's eyes? Or are you saying that there is no longer any social stigma associated with being black? As long as inequality exists due to matters of race there will need to be actions taken to overcome such racism if we intend to move towards a more equal society. And sometimes that means giving benefit to some and not to others. Sometimes due to social ills we must lend a hand in order to help some overcome the blocks our society creates for them. Hooray for those that overcome them on their own. But until the day arrives that there is nothing of that particular social ill to overcome some are going to need a hand to overcome it. And yes there are other issues that require attention and a hand up. Classism, economic hardship, sexism, and a host of other ills still conflict within our society. So its not an easy measure at all times. Sometimes it is a white person that needs a hand up given their circumstances. But as of right now there is no social hardship from simply being white. So if being white is the sole criteria of determining if they require a hand up its not going to fly. I am saying no such thing. Racism is alive and well in America. What I am saying is, allowing racists activity of any kind is unacceptable. Equality is not achieved if one race has is given Rights that another race is denied. I am saying that excusing racism by people of color or denying that they are even racists does not promote equality. Equality can never be achieved if we just shift special rights from one group to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev.Reverence Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 MY RESPONSE ('cause now I have time) With the election coming up and the word "race" being kicked around a lot these days in the culture, combined with serveral threads on DGN touching on the subject. Just thought it might be a good time to start another thread about this touchy issue... Some things to discuss. Is racism still alive in the U.S./Elsewhere... and if so, what form is it taking? YES, it is alive and well; it seems to be taking whatever form it wants.. not unlike the mythical SATAN (read: PROSECUTOR) Is your family racist? Have you been racist? Are you still racist? NO. Do you know people that are racist without even they knowing are? YUP, and I do not count them as freinds. Does having "friends" of different races make you less racist? Not necessarily. I see a fine line between 'Racism' and 'Discrimination'. This is a 'small' place to stand though. What makes racism "racism" A belief that the differences between people is more important than the similarities. I see it as a lazy mans curse. ... is it off color humor about race? Is it who you are sharing the humor with? Ask Carlos Mencia. I think he's got it right... etc... thoughts? I still don't see that a Frenchman is a different race than a Nigerian... I have heard something hilarious lately....... A line in the intro to "American Dad"... it says: Good Morning USA, I got a feeling that it's gonna be a wonderful day The sun in the sky has a smile on his face and it's shining to salute to the American race. Oh boy, it's well to say: "Good Morning USA." So now WE...the most 'racially' diverse country is now being referred as a "RACE" as a whole... The most racist bunch of asses on the planet... I think this will persist until everyone stops being lazy, ignorant, & idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phee Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 If history has taught us one thing... is that reperations DO NOT WORK.... Look at the 1920's and how the reperations effected Germany... remember what that turned into? I am with Gaf here... We can spend our time feeling guilty and apologizing with money and policy, which will lead to more apologies from other races, and will go into a circle of guilt, reperations, and racism.... OR we can actully try to live up to the idea of equality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev.Reverence Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I am saying no such thing. Racism is alive and well in America. What I am saying is, allowing racists activity of any kind is unacceptable. Equality is not achieved if one race has is given Rights that another race is denied. I am saying that excusing racism by people of color or denying that they are even racists does not promote equality. Equality can never be achieved if we just shift special rights from one group to another. I don't recall when we were SO on the same side in such solidarity Gaf... I have not disagreed with a word. -You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride*, you call us racists. I am white. I am proud. But, you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists? Now watch, I'll be a racist for posting this So what? Ya'll remember in that post where it says the white kids got in trouble for starting a club... it was because they used the wrong wording... had they started a 'Gallic League' or an 'Italian Club', they would have been fine... Please do not argue... go look in the Yellow Pages... there is quite likely a Galic League in your neighborhood... pride* ..be prideful & yea shall surly fall... Pride... HA! I always have laughed at White Pride... as it is most oft purported by people who also tout the Bible as if it was a Novella righten by the hand of the Almighty..... but they do not think long enough to remember that this "pride" is a sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goth Brooks Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Wow. I'm not the one justifying and excusing racists behavior... you are. NUH YOU ARE DOODIE HEAD. seriously now, grow up. I did not address your rebuttal of Haley because Haley was charged and convicted of plagiarism.. not lieing about his heritage. try reading a bit about your piece of proof. And yes, your views are pretty simple when it comes to race. You really need to learn what the word Equal means. There's no such thing as equal in the real world, grow up and get over it. Man may be BORN equal, but that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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