Should Abortion Be Legal?

[phee]

ohhh....so now your going to tell EVERYONE here that women aren't held mostly to those four social views??

where the fuck have you been since the 1930's?? Guam??

and no, Gaf...you have yet to prove me wrong on ANYTHING...all you do is prove that you pay no attention to the mass of society around you.

The original claim was I believe that women "can't" run the country... not that "society is not ready".... but I am not sure....

[freydis]

ohhh....so now your going to tell EVERYONE here that women aren't held mostly to those four social views??

where the fuck have you been since the 1930's?? Guam??

and no, Gaf...you have yet to prove me wrong on ANYTHING...all you do is prove that you pay no attention to the mass of society around you.

Any reason you have to act on those stereotypes?

Quit being a dick, and maybe people will stop jumping down your throat.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

ohhh....so now your going to tell EVERYONE here that women aren't held mostly to those four social views??

where the fuck have you been since the 1930's?? Guam??

and no, Gaf...you have yet to prove me wrong on ANYTHING...all you do is prove that you pay no attention to the mass of society around you.

So, you are saying that even though it has been proven that Sarah Palin's oldest daughter was pregnaunt with the child she currently carries when her younger sibling was born... she is still somehow the mother?

but to answer your question... No, I don't beleive women are held to those 4 views by everyone. I hold no delusion that equality of sexes has been met but I do hold that major progess has been made toward it. Someday, people like you who do hold those views, will no longer be around.

and before you try to say you don't hold those views.. please go read your post toward grayhalo. and perhaps make a public apology for being such an ass toward her.

[freydis]

So, you are saying that even though it has been proven that Sarah Palin's oldest daughter was pregnaunt with the child she currently carries when her younger sibling was born... she is still somehow the mother?

but to answer your question... No, I don't beleive women are held to those 4 views by everyone. I hold no delusion that equality of sexes has been met but I do hold that major progess has been made toward it. Someday, people like you who do hold those views, will no longer be around.

and before you try to say you don't hold those views.. please go read your post toward grayhalo. and perhaps make a public apology for being such an ass toward her.

Actually, I think the original comment was to Tygerlili..... but thats neither here nor there. It's still piss poor treatment.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

So, you are saying that even though it has been proven that Sarah Palin's oldest daughter was pregnaunt with the child she currently carries when her younger sibling was born... she is still somehow the mother?

but to answer your question... No, I don't beleive women are held to those 4 views by everyone. I hold no delusion that equality of sexes has been met but I do hold that major progess has been made toward it. Someday, people like you who do hold those views, will no longer be around.

and before you try to say you don't hold those views.. please go read your post toward grayhalo. and perhaps make a public apology for being such an ass toward her.

why don't you learn how to READ a post...and I won't be apologizing to anyone for being right.

[Rev.Reverence]

The sub point about rape/incest that is sometimes brought up i don't quite understand. If we are saying "only in cases of rape" for instance. Not on the surface at least. I assume the "only in cases of rape/incest." assumes abortion is "wrong" (aka the unborn cells/fetus/baby/whatever) has rights. So how the pregnancy happened, in terms of the unborn "rights" would seem immaterial. Not the fetus's fault how it came to be, right?

Exactly the way I felt on it this time I rethought it (I do that nearly every time a hot topic {no pun intended} like this one comes up)... hence I have a slightly altered answer to what I have posted before... giving the choice no matter what; that is unconditionally...

Interesting how there are, as of this writing, zero undecided. You know people have strong feelings when the undecided vote is non-existent after that many total votes.

What I was going to say!

[Rev.Reverence]

It's not sexist to tell people the truth..and the truth is that the way women are portrayed in this country...either as sex objects, "oh, woe is me" feminist, over-emotional psychos, or power-grubbing bitches, America is FAR away from having a female president. If you don't like it....do something to change it....but you don't...nor can you

ohhh....so now your going to tell EVERYONE here that women aren't held mostly to those four social views??

Yup... I'll stand right up and attest to that effect.

You need to quit projecting your paranoid view... I'm not even that bent Cousin.

The way I see it... the minority of women actually act these 4 ways....

^{P.S. wait till O_M_G sees this!}

[SaGa]

a women can run the country. to be married to that women might be a bit odd on the other hand. cant imagine the guy being much of a dom to the president.

[phee]

a women can run the country. to be married to that women might be a bit odd on the other hand. cant imagine the guy being much of a dom to the president.

I saw that episode of Commander N' Chief.....

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Yup... I'll stand right up and attest to that effect.

You need to quit projecting your paranoid view... I'm not even that bent Cousin.

The way I see it... the minority of women actually act these 4 ways....

^{P.S. wait till O_M_G sees this!}

ok...i'll play that game cousin....you have read your PM lately, right??

ok...I have comments here, even from one of these so called "offended" people, that backs my statements about women "sex objects", and it being one of the reasons why a woman WON'T be running this country anytime soon.

Goth_Brooks: "If I wasn't already going to vote McCain, the MILF factor totally won me over."

Gaf: "Her oldest son is in the Army... infantry and ships to Iraq on the 11th.

and yeah... she's a MILF"

Fin: "Well, whomever wins the election will deliver either a

VPILF

or a

FLILF

Goth_Brooks(when posting pictures of Sarah Palin)

"I'D HIT IT"

the "much revered Sarah Palin" is called a MILF, even by Gaf.

MILF, for those that are unaware, is short for Mother I would Like to Fuck. It is a degrading title for any woman, and an extremely sexist thing to say.

However, the point of the matter is that, even if used as a joke, there is ALOT of socially degrading views of women out there that make my statement of "a woman WON'T be running this country anytime soon" more then just an opinion.

and for the record...I NEVER said that a woman CAN'T run the country....I said that for quote a while, that a woman WON'T run it....and it's because of statements like "Sarah Palin is a MILF"

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Not talking to anyone in particular:

Relax. Seriously. Just about any "point" is fine within reason, short of clearly racist or some other really vile stuff. But using insulting language and tone is not. This is not a public street corner, its a private message board with civility rules.

If a certain level of civility is not something you (meaning anyone reading this) do not want (or didn't read the user agreement when you signed up) that's fine. No hard feelings. Just find one of the 1000s of message boards that don't have civility rules to make your points on.

"You are wrong and here is why...." is fine.

"You are wrong because your an ass." is not.

Better would be "I disagree because I feel [civil disagreement explanation]...."

Just as examples, no one actually did this, but the overall tone is, in many cases, very unfriendly. DGN is not here for that. Its NOT here for that. Its not a soap box, its a quasi-private message board, meant to be fairly civil, regardless of the subject.

If you have a problem with some one's post , and you think its offensive. Two wrongs don't make a right. Use the REPORT button if necessary rather than be insulting in response.

[SaGa]

and there isnt women who think obama looks completely fuckable. the door does swing both ways. bye generalizing that men are sexist. you make it sound like women cant be to.

im sure many women have said they whould love to fuck obama if given the chance.

[Hellion]

When I found out that my sister was pregnant again yeah I was pissed ,but since she was 7 and a half months due,and she decided to give it up to adoption I agreed, no big deal now,but all I know is if I say one little thing to my mother and one or two other relatives,shit will hit the fan at mach 10.deciding right now if I should,but unfortunately a mega amount of drama will definately occur.at least she is doing the right thing.

[Rev.Reverence]

Yup... I'll stand right up and attest to that effect.

You need to quit projecting your paranoid view... I'm not even that bent Cousin.

The way I see it... the minority of women actually act these 4 ways....

^{P.S. wait till O_M_G sees this!}

This little thing is a QUALIFIER.

THIS one is called a KEY WORD.

[freydis]

Personally, I dont think I could do it, myself. Unless the fetus had some sort of problem (disease, whatever). However, I just dont think I have the right to tell someone else what to do with their body.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Better abortions every few months and torn up wombs, than 20 kids and a permanent spot in the welfare line.

No, actually, I don't think that's better.

[Michiko_Dreads]

Abortions should be legal and kept a womans choice unless married in which husband and wife both have to consent, just like in sterlization.

I dont care for all the blah blah bullshit on why anyone thinks abortions should be illegal because I feel that you do not understand why abortions became legal in the first place. If we make abortions illegal we will be setting ourselves back to when women were having abortions in alleys and bleeding to death because they can't support another life.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Michiko_Dreads

[Guest greyhalo]

Not talking to anyone in particular:

Relax. Seriously. Just about any "point" is fine within reason, short of clearly racist or some other really vile stuff. But using insulting language and tone is not. This is not a public street corner, its a private message board with civility rules.

If a certain level of civility is not something you (meaning anyone reading this) do not want (or didn't read the user agreement when you signed up) that's fine. No hard feelings. Just find one of the 1000s of message boards that don't have civility rules to make your points on.

"You are wrong and here is why...." is fine.

"You are wrong because your an ass." is not.

Better would be "I disagree because I feel [civil disagreement explanation]...."

Just as examples, no one actually did this, but the overall tone is, in many cases, very unfriendly. DGN is not here for that. Its NOT here for that. Its not a soap box, its a quasi-private message board, meant to be fairly civil, regardless of the subject.

If you have a problem with some one's post , and you think its offensive. Two wrongs don't make a right. Use the REPORT button if necessary rather than be insulting in response.

Thanks, Troy. You are the voice of reason here.

At least I was a good girl and bit my tongue...

[Enishi]

After glancing at this thread, I started reading around a bit and found some articles about abortion in ancient societies which I thought were sort of interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/legal/history_1.shtml

http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/book-sum/contra1.html

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortion...entabortion.htm

I think abortion should be legal for most part, but strongly dislike the idea of third trimester abortions...

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

and there isnt women who think obama looks completely fuckable. the door does swing both ways. bye generalizing that men are sexist. you make it sound like women cant be to.

im sure many women have said they whould love to fuck obama if given the chance.

NEW THREAD!!!!

[Destroit]

ok...i'll play that game cousin....you have read your PM lately, right??

ok...I have comments here, even from one of these so called "offended" people, that backs my statements about women "sex objects", and it being one of the reasons why a woman WON'T be running this country anytime soon.

Goth_Brooks: "If I wasn't already going to vote McCain, the MILF factor totally won me over."

Gaf: "Her oldest son is in the Army... infantry and ships to Iraq on the 11th.

and yeah... she's a MILF"

Fin: "Well, whomever wins the election will deliver either a

VPILF

or a

FLILF

Goth_Brooks(when posting pictures of Sarah Palin)

"I'D HIT IT"

the "much revered Sarah Palin" is called a MILF, even by Gaf.

MILF, for those that are unaware, is short for Mother I would Like to Fuck. It is a degrading title for any woman, and an extremely sexist thing to say.

However, the point of the matter is that, even if used as a joke, there is ALOT of socially degrading views of women out there that make my statement of "a woman WON'T be running this country anytime soon" more then just an opinion.

and for the record...I NEVER said that a woman CAN'T run the country....I said that for quote a while, that a woman WON'T run it....and it's because of statements like "Sarah Palin is a MILF"

It is very offensive to refer to Sarah Palin as a MILF, imo. I've heard girls be like "Obama's hot" but that's not deragatory because they're refering just to his physical attributes, not saying shit like "Man I'd really like to lay him down and fuck him!"

I will say when that thread was posted and people started posting sexy pictures of her saying MILF and "I'D HIT IT" kinda shit, I rolled by eyes and at the screen and hit the back button right away. Just kinda immature really.

But then again stating things such as "I don't see a woman running the country anytime soon" definately doesn't help the cause and can be damaging and I was just as offended by it in initial reaction as I was about the Sarah Palin MILF thread, imo. It wasn't exactly the viewpoint, because when you restate it with this: "and for the record...I NEVER said that a woman CAN'T run the country....I said that for quote a while, that a woman WON'T run it....and it's because of statements like "Sarah Palin is a MILF" I understand now what you meant, and it's not offensive when you restated your point, but the first time I saw the statement the way it was worded and the situation it was used in made it seem like it was sexist/offensive. Just my two cents.

[Fin]

It is very offensive to refer to Sarah Palin as a MILF, imo. I've heard girls be like "Obama's hot" but that's not deragatory because they're refering just to his physical attributes, not saying shit like "Man I'd really like to lay him down and fuck him!"

I will say when that thread was posted and people started posting sexy pictures of her saying MILF and "I'D HIT IT" kinda shit, I rolled by eyes and at the screen and hit the back button right away. Just kinda immature really.

But then again stating things such as "I don't see a woman running the country anytime soon" definately doesn't help the cause and can be damaging and I was just as offended by it in initial reaction as I was about the Sarah Palin MILF thread, imo. It wasn't exactly the viewpoint, because when you restate it with this: "and for the record...I NEVER said that a woman CAN'T run the country....I said that for quote a while, that a woman WON'T run it....and it's because of statements like "Sarah Palin is a MILF" I understand now what you meant, and it's not offensive when you restated your point, but the first time I saw the statement the way it was worded and the situation it was used in made it seem like it was sexist/offensive. Just my two cents.

I believe most of those statements were made in jest as a way to lend a bit of levity to an already heated political debate here on the board.

Sincerest apologies that you were negatively impacted by the "Palin = MILF" thread.

And for the record, even if I secretly was attracted to a female candidate, that certainly would have no impact on whether or not I thought she could appropriately govern. The time is long overdue for a woman to represent the U.S. government in the executive branch. I am not yet convinced that women is Governor Palin, but I will certainly give her my full attention as she tries to court my vote.

[Destroit]

I believe most of those statements were made in jest as a way to lend a bit of levity to an already heated political debate here on the board.

Sincerest apologies that you were negatively impacted by the "Palin = MILF" thread.

And for the record, even if I secretly was attracted to a female candidate, that certainly would have no impact on whether or not I thought she could appropriately govern. The time is long overdue for a woman to represent the U.S. government in the executive branch. I am not yet convinced that women is Governor Palin, but I will certainly give her my full attention as she tries to court my vote.

Yeah, I obviously have no problem with people thinking other people are hot, just when you start throwing things up like MILF and I'D HIT IT it starts to cross that line . I'm not saying you know, I'm gonna go cry in my coffee over the thread but it was a little immature. It takes a lot for me to be offended, and I wasn't offended, just let me make note of people's true colors so to speak .

[Fin]

Yeah, I obviously have no problem with people thinking other people are hot, just when you start throwing things up like MILF and I'D HIT IT it starts to cross that line . I'm not saying you know, I'm gonna go cry in my coffee over the thread but it was a little immature.

Immature? On this board? Never.

[Rev.Reverence]

Immature? On this board? Never.

*touches Fin's shoulder*

Tag your it...

*runs fast*