Pray for money and protection from witchcraft, Palin

[phee]

and i know at least a hundred ppl that would disagree with you on that...people from all walks of life...from Cali to NYC...I think that statement is MASSIVELY false...not even an opinion mind you...false...and only made to try and "equalize" everyone under the same banner....you might as well say that everyone is a Pagan, or a Democrat to a degree, whether they admit it, like it, hate it, or trying to change it...

That is what makes it an opinion my friend... not a fact. They are free to disagree... I am so cool with that.

Just as calling Palin a Zealot is an opinion as well.... (I am not saying that I disagree with you on this, I am saying just because you and I agree on something does not make it a fact.)

[phee]

Thankyou sir

As for Palin.... I am not voting for her because of certain directions I see her moving in.... association with groups regarding the protection from witchcraft, saying one thing and doing the exact opposite...

both candidates have plenty of fuel for me not to like them... I guess I am hoping I might see a reason to like one of them sometime.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Question, just as a point of practicality, here: while I'm glad that your spirituality is important enough to you to guide you in your decisions, in what way do you think spirituality should impact the decisions made by those who have none?

I am assuming that you mean MY spirituality in specific rather than spirituality in general, eh?

Well, that's my assumption, so let's run with it.

There are plenty of Atheists, Muslims, Goofballs, Pentecostals, Hindus and other miscellaneous peeps who make decisions that impact me.

I would HOPE that their spiritual beliefs, or lack thereof, has an equally strong impact on THEIR decisions as mine does on my own. Otherwise, what's the point of it all, eh? If it doesn't, if your faith life lives in a dusty box that you pull out only on Christmas, why bother with it at all?

I'm not a fan of the idea of compartmentalization. There are people who do that - people who change who they are depending on the company they keep, the clothes they wear or the places they frequent. I think it makes people schizo. I think you should be the same person, always, to everyone. So I see no reason to act one way in church and another way fifteen feet FROM church. If I did, that would make me, well, a liar.

Everyone has their own set of guiding principles. I think some people's guiding principles are, well, better at guiding than others. Still, I would expect that everyone will stick with their own set of principles, until they've found a reason to do otherwise. Do I expect that *I* would ever be the reason? Meh, not really. I tried converting my husband to vegetarian. Miserable failure. I eat steaks now. I've gotten out of the conversion business, thankyouverymuch.

If you're getting at specifics, I would have to say it depends on the specific situation. Take for example suicide. If you are about to jump off of a bridge, I will try to stop you. That's because I think you are precious, valuable and necessary and I don't want to see you destroy something that is wonderful. ALL of that nonsense there comes from my spirituality.

But, you, and you alone own every decision that you make. I can't, nor do I even want, to take that from you. So, if you want to be lazy and sleep in on Sunday and skip Mass, *shrug* what WOULD I do about it? Drag your ass out of bed? Sheesh.

So, see, in the first example, my spirituality totally stopped you from doing something that went against MY beliefs, not yours. In the second, my spirituality didn't do a thing, except let you sleep in (though I HAVE been known to bribe my lazier friends to go to church with the promise of donuts and coffee). So, unfortunately I would have to say when it came to specifics it depends on the situation. You would think that with ALL of the words I just used, I could have come up with a better answer to your question, but I'm sorry that's the best I've got.

[Rev.Reverence]

There are plenty of Atheists, Muslims, Goofballs, Pentecostals, Hindus and other miscellaneous peeps who make decisions that impact me.

I would HOPE that their spiritual beliefs, or lack thereof, has an equally strong impact on THEIR decisions as mine does on my own. Otherwise, what's the point of it all, eh? If it doesn't, if your faith life lives in a dusty box that you pull out only on Christmas, why bother with it at all?

I'm not a fan of the idea of compartmentalization. There are people who do that - people who change who they are depending on the company they keep, the clothes they wear or the places they frequent. I think it makes people schizo. I think you should be the same person, always, to everyone. So I see no reason to act one way in church and another way fifteen feet FROM church. If I did, that would make me, well, a liar.

Dude...I understand what you are getting at...but that word does not mean like you use it here...

schizo·phre·nia

1 : a psychotic disorder characterized by loss of contact with the environment, by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life, and by disintegration of personality expressed as disorder of feeling, thought (as delusions), perception (as hallucinations), and behavior

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

WOAH...hold on...

*catches breath*

seems they are all linked...eh?

a zealot = fanatic = intense uncritical devotion = something like faith

Linked...yes...equal to one another...no....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

wtf... This is not the thread I was looking at before I hit "Post"

[phee]

**SORRY FOLKS**

Moved the racial discussion from this thread to a racial thread... Since this thread was Palin oriented...

Please continue the discussion there...

thanks

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Root of "zealot"

"The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai (קנאי, frequently used in plural form, קנאים), means one who is zealous on behalf of God. The term derives from Greek ζηλωτής (zelotes), "emulator, zealous admirer or follower". The Zealots were a religious group and were frequently in rebellion."

Fantacism

"The difference between a fan and a fanatic is that while both have an overwhelming liking or interest in a given subject, behaviour of a fanatic will be viewed as violating prevailing social norms, while that of a fan will not violate those norms (although the person may be considered unusual). A fanatic differs from a crank, in that a crank is defined as a person who holds a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or provably wrong, such as a belief in widespread alien abduction. In contrast, the subject of the fanatic's obsession may be "normal", such as an interest in religion or politics, except that the scale of the person's involvement, devotion, or obsession with the activity or cause is abnormal or disproportionate."

and now..faith...

"Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea. Formal usage of the word "faith" is usually reserved for concepts of religion, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and said being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things."

so while Fanatics and Zealots can be equal...someone with faith is not equal to either, though each is considered to be based off faith.

[Rev.Reverence]

Root of "zealot"

"The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai (קנאי, frequently used in plural form, קנאים), means one who is zealous on behalf of God. The term derives from Greek ζηλωτής (zelotes), "emulator, zealous admirer or follower". The Zealots were a religious group and were frequently in rebellion."

Fantacism<---that spell wrong is so funny..haha..

"The difference between a fan and a fanatic is that while both have an overwhelming liking or interest in a given subject, behaviour of a fanatic will be viewed as violating prevailing social norms, while that of a fan will not violate those norms (although the person may be considered unusual). A fanatic differs from a crank, in that a crank is defined as a person who holds a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or provably wrong, such as a belief in widespread alien abduction. In contrast, the subject of the fanatic's obsession may be "normal", such as an interest in religion or politics, except that the scale of the person's involvement, devotion, or obsession with the activity or cause is abnormal or disproportionate."

and now..faith...

"Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea. Formal usage of the word "faith" is usually reserved for concepts of religion, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and said being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things."

so while Fanatics and Zealots can be equal...someone with faith is not equal to either, though each is considered to be based off faith.

Fan is in fact short for Fanatic... I think it was coined when the Beatles were over here from Brittan.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Fan is in fact short for Fanatic... I think it was coined when the Beatles were over here from Brittan.

there is still a major differance between the definition of fan...and definition of Fanatic

[Rev.Reverence]

there is still a major differance between the definition of fan...and definition of Fanatic

I was wrong... it is older... I was correct in the meaning...

Main Entry:

3fan

Function:

noun

Etymology:

probably short for fanatic

Date:

1682

1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator 2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>

[Simon Bar Sinister]

She should try Pastafarianism next!

:D

[Rev.Reverence]

She should try Pastafarianism next!

:D

[Shade Everdark]

I am assuming that you mean MY spirituality in specific rather than spirituality in general, eh?

Well, that's my assumption, so let's run with it.

There are plenty of Atheists, Muslims, Goofballs, Pentecostals, Hindus and other miscellaneous peeps who make decisions that impact me.

I would HOPE that their spiritual beliefs, or lack thereof, has an equally strong impact on THEIR decisions as mine does on my own. Otherwise, what's the point of it all, eh? If it doesn't, if your faith life lives in a dusty box that you pull out only on Christmas, why bother with it at all?

I'm not a fan of the idea of compartmentalization. There are people who do that - people who change who they are depending on the company they keep, the clothes they wear or the places they frequent. I think it makes people schizo. I think you should be the same person, always, to everyone. So I see no reason to act one way in church and another way fifteen feet FROM church. If I did, that would make me, well, a liar.

Everyone has their own set of guiding principles. I think some people's guiding principles are, well, better at guiding than others. Still, I would expect that everyone will stick with their own set of principles, until they've found a reason to do otherwise. Do I expect that *I* would ever be the reason? Meh, not really. I tried converting my husband to vegetarian. Miserable failure. I eat steaks now. I've gotten out of the conversion business, thankyouverymuch.

If you're getting at specifics, I would have to say it depends on the specific situation. Take for example suicide. If you are about to jump off of a bridge, I will try to stop you. That's because I think you are precious, valuable and necessary and I don't want to see you destroy something that is wonderful. ALL of that nonsense there comes from my spirituality.

But, you, and you alone own every decision that you make. I can't, nor do I even want, to take that from you. So, if you want to be lazy and sleep in on Sunday and skip Mass, *shrug* what WOULD I do about it? Drag your ass out of bed? Sheesh.

So, see, in the first example, my spirituality totally stopped you from doing something that went against MY beliefs, not yours. In the second, my spirituality didn't do a thing, except let you sleep in (though I HAVE been known to bribe my lazier friends to go to church with the promise of donuts and coffee). So, unfortunately I would have to say when it came to specifics it depends on the situation. You would think that with ALL of the words I just used, I could have come up with a better answer to your question, but I'm sorry that's the best I've got.

I wasn't looking for a GOOD answer, only an honest one, and that one seems pretty honest, so I thank you for it.