School Field Trip to Teacher's Lesbian Wedding Sparks Controversy

[Rev.Reverence]

That just proves the point... it should be up to the parent and not the teacher....

...hence the conclusion I have come up with...(it was a Communications Breakdown).

[Rayne]

...yeah...the pup could RUN the sorter...but I meant like the verbal aspect...& drawing them on command & what nots...

Yep, First girl had it early ... she did everything early - frighteningly weird. Girl was walking at 8 months and talking complete sentences by 12 months.

Second girl I think was about 2 or so, they tested her at 2 1/2 the season before entering pre-school (just before her 3rd birthday) and she drew a circle and square on command with no issue ... but she had JUST started walking.

First boy was a bit behind in the cognitive skills, but right on with the other things.

Second boy seems to have pretty much everything the others learned in pre-school down already.

[Rev.Reverence]

Yep, First girl had it early ... she did everything early - frighteningly weird. Girl was walking at 8 months and talking complete sentences by 12 months.

Second girl I think was about 2 or so, they tested her at 2 1/2 the season before entering pre-school (just before her 3rd birthday) and she drew a circle and square on command with no issue ... but she had JUST started walking.

First boy was a bit behind in the cognitive skills, but right on with the other things.

Second boy seems to have pretty much everything the others learned in pre-school down already.

The baby has more people in it's group to nurture it...I have seen the pattern emerge that the youngest is often the most advanced...(barring the prior emergence of a Genius)..but still the youngest will often approximate the abilities of the more advanced sibling.

[TygerLili]

I think it's inappropriate for a class to take a field trip to see a teacher get married. Period. It doesn't matter whether it's a same-sex or heterosexual wedding. A teacher's personal life should have nothing to do with school business.

If I had a six-year-old child, and a friend of the family invited me and my child to their same-sex marriage, then sure, no problem, we'd go. A wedding is not an appropriate field trip outing.

Someone's probably already said something similar, but I didn't feel like reading through 70+ comments, so forgive me if this is redundant.

[sass_in_the_pants]

SO inappropriate and unprofessional.

And we wonder why American kids are under-educated?

[Rev.Reverence]

SO inappropriate and unprofessional.

And we wonder why American kids are under-educated?

How are those related?

...I, by all means agree that our children on a whole are pretty damned ignorant, not to mention rude & cruel.

..I see it as a cultural experience.

...new experiences = learning...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I think that is one of the requirements for entering first grade.

Look, Michigan's First Grade Social Studies Expectations!

Science - First Grade

English/Language Arts - First Grade

Math - First Grade

All the grades can be found here.

Of course, each state is different.

This could start it's own thread... but how many kids meet those goals? Have you looked into just how many students this system leaves behind.

[Rayne]

This could start it's own thread... but how many kids meet those goals? Have you looked into just how many students this system leaves behind.

Not any schools other than the one my kids attend, which isn't the local public school. I actually elect to drive them the 25 minutes to Milan every day rather than put them in the local elementary school in the district, which is just around the block from us.

Better schools and better ratings mean a lot to me.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

By the way.. most kids do know their shapes before age 6. Many children can pick up a square block when asked before they see the inside of a school. Yet, if you toss 15 square blocks, all of different colors, into a box and then add one block that is a rectangle into that box... shake them up and pour them out... many children will have a hard time finding that rectangle.

In 1st grade they are starting to learn the basics of many of the higher concepts. Basics. Simple versions of concepts that get more and more complex as they raise in grade levels.

These people tossed 1st graders into the spotlight of one of the most complex inter-personal sociological questions of our time as it crosses paths with the complex political machine that is our form of government.

The complexity's of where they were and what they were involved in was so far above them that they didn't, nay, couldn't understand what was really going on around them.

There was no educational value to this outing. It was a waste of Tax payers money. A waste of precious time to teach these children the real basics they need in order to make the maximum of their time in school so as to succeed later in life.

Look at our schools and the "education" children get today when compared to other countries. A report came out today.. our kids are less likely to graduate high school than we were. Even if they do, when compared to every other industrialized country, their education isn't worth the ink on their diploma.

How the hell is this stupid political stunt helping them over come that?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Not any schools other than the one my kids attend, which isn't the local public school. I actually elect to drive them the 25 minutes to Milan every day rather than put them in the local elementary school in the district, which is just around the block from us.

Better schools and better ratings mean a lot to me.

Michigan is one of the few states that allows you to do that and still.. your local public school gets Federal money to teach your child.. that goes to another school....

[Rayne]

Michigan is one of the few states that allows you to do that and still.. your local public school gets Federal money to teach your child.. that goes to another school....

Eh, small price to pay for a MUCH better education, in my opinion.

[sass_in_the_pants]

How are those related?

...I, by all means agree that our children on a whole are pretty damned ignorant, not to mention rude & cruel.

..I see it as a cultural experience.

...new experiences = learning...

Going to City Hall is a cultural experience? What culture is that, exactly? Where to next, the Secretary of State?

I would like to see educational institutions, I dunno, educating, rather than taking my children into their personal lives.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Eh, small price to pay for a MUCH better education, in my opinion.

If more people supported School vochures... you child's school would get that money to help pay for your child's education, not the school that he/she isn't going to.

[Rev.Reverence]

How the hell is this stupid political stunt helping them over come that?

...I was only saying there are things to learn everywhere...not that this would fix that...

...perhaps if parents payed more time talking about the world & teaching their children their children would not be left behind...

...perhaps if parents answered as many questions as possible...instead of throwing the kids in the day care & latch key till it is time to go home & play video games...& I know peoples gotta' work, but DAMN...the video games are out of control...(note: I did not say the problem, I said "out of control")

...& that statistic (I don't know where you got it)...goes to show...America is slippin' in just about every way...

...& "Average" don't cut it in this world anymore...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

and perhaps, if parents forced the teachers to... teach, rather than take them on stupid field trips to help out political causes our children might be doing better. Maybe if we worried more about measuring a childs progress (this whole no red ink and no failing grades bullshit) we might start teaching again.

Our schools have been going down hill for 50 years.

High School Graduation Rates Plummet Below 50 Percent in Some U.S. Cities

High School Dropout Rates Not Improving

Today’s High School Students Less Likely to Graduate Than Their Parents

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

BULLSHIT&SHENANIGANS!

What age do you buy one of these for a child?

Kindergarden Shape Wrokssheets

These are Kindergarten homework sheets that parents and teachers can download to work with their children on. Shape recognition and pattern recognition.

Make a nice sand which out of your bullshit and shenanigans and eat it.

[Rayne]

Kindergarden Shape Wrokssheets

These are Kindergarten homework sheets that parents and teachers can download to work with their children on. Shape recognition and pattern recognition.

Make a nice sand which out of your bullshit and shenanigans and eat it.

When we lived in elsewhere, my girls went to Kindergarten at the local public elementary school. They did things like this which bored them to death. They had two years each of Head-Start (in the same city) and were already doing the district's first and second grade cirriculum's. I actually ended up taking my second daughter out of Kindergarten about halfway through the year (half due to her medical reasons), since Kindergarten is not mandated in Michigan. She had no problem starting first grade the next year.

I think it's all in how they are taught and what. Obviously a kid coming from two years of pre-school will *probably* be on a higher level than a kid who hasn't any. Sometimes parents can match and sometimes the kids just learn (like my youngest with his older siblings -- the oldest was teaching the four year old basic multiplication the other day, I doubt he remembers it, but he was having a blast!). I think most public school base their cirriculum that children have not had any previous schooling.

The school my kids go to do yearly tests three times a year to track their individual progress and based on those tests they get placed in three different levels of class. Basic, Standard and Proficient. I have one in each this year. One of my kids has Dyslexia, last year she got extra tutoring after school for an hour based on those test scores. I can also log in to the school's main site and see each test score, each grade on homework assignments, a running tally of the overall grades for each subject and comments from teachers.

They don't only focus on academics though, which I think is great. They have lesson's in Moral Focus (it's an entire grade on their report cards) and study a different Virtue each month. This month is Respect.

It's all according to each school individually what gets taught and how. There's a school in the same system that is closer to our house, but they have complaints and bad test scores compared to the one my kids attend. I choose the better school, even if I have to drive further. And in my experience some schools are better than others and worth the extra effort.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I can't disagree with any of that... I just wish we all could afford to give our kids that education.

[Goth Brooks]

Maybe the teacher just loved her students and wanted them to share in her joyful moment?

Or has there never been a class field trip to a hetero teacher's wedding, ever?

[Rev.Reverence]

Maybe the teacher just loved her students and wanted them to share in her joyful moment?

Or has there never been a class field trip to a hetero teacher's wedding, ever?

....that's what I'm saying...

[Oh_My_Goth]

Kindergarden Shape Wrokssheets

These are Kindergarten homework sheets that parents and teachers can download to work with their children on. Shape recognition and pattern recognition.

Make a nice sand which out of your bullshit and shenanigans and eat it.

My five year old is waaaay beyond that.....

[Goth Brooks]

i was reading first grade level at 5, never looked back.

[phee]

Maybe the teacher just loved her students and wanted them to share in her joyful moment?

Or has there never been a class field trip to a hetero teacher's wedding, ever?

There are ways to do that, that don't involve a field trip

[Goth Brooks]

There are ways to do that, that don't involve a field trip

That didn't answer my question phee.

Just the fact that the parents signed off on the permission slips is already proof (in my eyes) that taking students to a teacher's hetero wedding is perfectly ok, because that seems to be what they expected. So it's ok to take kids to a hetero wedding but not a homo one? Screams discrimination and hate to me.

This is the real world, men fuck women, women fuck women, and men fuck men. This isn't some sick porno, this is how things are. It isn't indoctrination, it's SHOWING kids how the real world is.

[phee]

Yes they have been to hetro weddings on a field trip, and that is just as wrong IMO