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What fellow P.O.W.?

Um Dramesi...the guy I quoted...(the quote said right in it...I lifted it STRAIT from this article.

At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.

There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."

On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."

"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.

"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.

"Why? Where are you going to, John?"

"Oh, I'm going to Rio."

"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"

McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

"I got a better chance of getting laid."

Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."

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Has anybody read the entire 10 pages yet? It is scary....

BUT

I am sure that there are just as many horror storys, quotes from reliable sources, and facts about Obama... right? (Honest question not sarcasm)

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Has anybody read the entire 10 pages yet? It is scary....

BUT

I am sure that there are just as many horror storys, quotes from reliable sources, and facts about Obama... right? (Honest question not sarcasm)

I'll read it later...I only read the first page worth of scrolling...(I can see you wish to talk about it, YES?)

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I'll read it later...I only read the first page worth of scrolling...(I can see you wish to talk about it, YES?)

Yes

If one can dismiss everything... EVERYTHING in there that quickly.... I assume that they read the whole thing, and can dismiss attacks on other people just as quickly.

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In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.

Honestly.. stopped reading right there.

Bush refused a flight physical, disqualifying him from flying.. keeping him out of Vietnam.

McCain went to Vietnam.

p.s. - isn't one person telling someone what another person said, uhm.. hearsay? inadmissible, in most cases, in court.

He saw 9/11 gave Bush and his failed presidency a second life.

This person writes for a living? Bad grammar, bad.

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John has made a pact with the devil," says Lincoln Chafee, the former GOP senator, who has been appalled at his one-time colleague's readiness to sacrifice principle for power. Chafee and McCain were the only Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts. They locked arms in opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And they worked together in the "Gang of 14," which blocked some of Bush's worst judges from the federal bench.

"On all three — sadly, sadly, sadly — McCain has flip-flopped," Chafee says. And forget all the "Country First" sloganeering, he adds. "McCain is putting himself first. He's putting himself first in blinking neon lights."

...WOW...That sais allot.

Lincoln Davenport Chafee (pronounced /ˈtʃeɪ fiː/ CHAY-fee) (born March 26, 1953) is a former United States Senator from Rhode Island. Running as a Republican, he lost his re-election bid in 2006 to Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse. In the summer of 2007, he left the Republican Party and became an independent.[1] He is currently a visiting scholar at Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies.

A Rhode Island native educated at Phillips Academy and Brown University, Chafee worked as a professional farrier for seven years before entering state politics in 1985. He was a delegate to the Rhode Island State Constitutional Convention, a member of the Warwick, Rhode Island city council, and later the mayor of Warwick. Chafee was appointed to the United States Senate in 1999 upon the death of his father, Senator John Chafee, and in 2000 was elected to a full six-year term.

Senator Chafee is now a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama for president.

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Has anybody read the entire 10 pages yet? It is scary....

BUT

I am sure that there are just as many horror storys, quotes from reliable sources, and facts about Obama... right? (Honest question not sarcasm)

Not that I have come across.....

But McCain has had allot more time to be a douche than Obama.....

From what I have read, it makes Me nervous to imagine him in office.....McCain that is.....

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Not that I have come across.....

But McCain has had allot more time to be a douche than Obama.....

From what I have read, it makes Me nervous to imagine him in office.....McCain that is.....

The experience people talk about McCain having... I don't think it helps my view of him

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Has anybody read the entire 10 pages yet? It is scary....

BUT

I am sure that there are just as many horror storys, quotes from reliable sources, and facts about Obama... right? (Honest question not sarcasm)

Yeah, there are.

either way, its all going down the shitter.

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Because Rolling Stone is just the place to get factual information...

..what..just because their focus is music...does not mean they can not go out & report on other things...they hit upon a variety of subjects...what, do you think; they can not fact check? Do you know how many HIGH priced Lawyers/Attorneys would be breathin' down their throat if they printed rumors as facts when dealing with the Stars that they work with / report on?

.....SO what are you gonna' say WE should not read the articles in Playboy for "Factual" content?

:p

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..what..just because their focus is music...does not mean they can not go out & report on other things...they hit upon a variety of subjects...what, do you think; they can not fact check? Do you know how many HIGH priced Lawyers/Attorneys would be breathin' down their throat if they printed rumors as facts when dealing with the Stars that they work with / report on?

.....SO what are you gonna' say WE should not read the articles in Playboy for "Factual" content?

:p

there are articles in playboy?

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