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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461824,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28072481/

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW...S.3284f26e.html

Hundreds rallied outside the Washington Capitol on Sunday to protest a holiday sign erected by a group of atheists that disparages religion as a "myth" and declares there is no God.

A crowd of 500 protesters gathered on the Capitol's steps to decry the sign which Gov. Chris Gregoire had permitted an atheist group to include as part of a Christmas-themed display inside the rotunda.

The sign states, “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”

Freedom from Religion Foundation, the group that installed the sign, said the display was to promote the Winter's Solstice. Dan Barker, co-president of the Wisconsin group, however has also described the display as "an attack on religion," kgw.com reported.

Protesters sang Christmas carols while area Christian pastors participating in the rally prayed. Demonstrators also held signs that bore Christmas-filled messages like "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "We say Merry Christmas." One sign portrayed Gregoire as the grinch.

Steve Wilson, who organized the rally, said he thought the message of the atheist display was offensive to people of all religions.

"When it comes to disparaging my faith on public property, that's where I draw the line," Wilson told the Associated Press.

His mother, Susan, however, emphasized that they were not protesting religions but the atheists sign.

“We’re not with the groups that brought the signs, ‘Atheists go to hell,’” she told The Olympian. “We love everyone and let’s be kind to one another. … This was a way our family decided that we had to stand up for Jesus.”

The rally on Sunday represented only a small dose of national outrage growing over anti-religion displays.

A spokesman of the governor's office has told The Seattle Times it received over 200 calls an hour following the sign's debut last week.

The controversial sign went missing on Friday and turned up a few hours later at a Seattle radio station where one of radio hosts had been discussing the sign.

Gregoire, who is Christian, has said that while she doesn't agree with the message of the display, the state must allow all viewpoints to be represented on public property if one viewpoint is permitted.

“But just because you must represent everyone in the state doesn’t mean that you put up with intolerance from the people that you represent," countered Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson, the pastor of Antioch Bible Church, which has put up a pro-religion sign to respond to the atheist one.

Antioch's sign reads: "There is one God. There is one Devil. There are angels, a heaven and hell. There is more than our natural world. Atheism is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

Both signs are now on display near a nativity scene and other religious displays. The atheist sign now also includes a posting that reads: "Thou Shalt Not Steal, Exodus 20:15."

Bishop Council Nedd, chairman of In God We Trust, a national advocacy group that supports public displays of American history, disagrees that the atheist sign should be allowed in the Capitol.

"These signs have nothing in common with a menorah, a nativity scene or a Christmas tree. They are an attempt by anti-religious bigots to equate a belief in God with enslavement and to ridicule the majority of Americans who believe in God," he said.

Nedd said he wouldn't be surprised if the atheist group demands to place a similar sign next on the National Mall in Washington D.C. That's why he's launching a national effort to stop such an attempt. The organization is mobilizing its 60,000 supporters to lobby their governors and representatives in Washington urging them stop the atheist advertising effort.

"Why do these zealots have the right to post signs on public property attacking their countrymen?" Nedd posed. "Would anyone stand for an equally hate-filled message being posted by the Klan on Martin Luther King's Birthday? Of course not. Yet that is exactly what these atheist bigots want."

"In God We Trust will oppose any effort to place these signs in any state capital or in any government location in Washington, D.C.," Nedd pledged.

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The sign states, “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”

Truer words have never been said.

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The whole thing is ridiculous.....

Why is one always trying to convince the other that they're right?????

Can't everyone just happily live in there own delusions? & that includes the atheists.

I think that perhaps a new thread should be started with that question in mind :jamin=P

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Here's a question: Is there a symbol or icon, similar to a nativity scene, that speaks to Atheism without disparaging other religions verbally? Or is that an impossibility because of the nature of Atheism?

The whole thing is ridiculous.....

Why is one always trying to convince the other that they're right?????

Can't everyone just happily live in there own delusions? & that includes the atheists.

+5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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The whole thing is ridiculous.....

Why is one always trying to convince the other that they're right?????

Can't everyone just happily live in there own delusions? & that includes the atheists.

...I was going to be a smart ass & ask if you were trying to convince them as to the validity of your point of view...

...but then THIS beautiful quote came to mind: :stuart:

Success is thy proof: argue not; convert not; talk not overmuch!
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why the fuck cant people let people go about their day without being a total cockbite to other people "just because"

believe in Yule. great

believe in the Birth of Christ, fine by me

Celebrating Dwali, super.

cant we just let people get on with their day without being a total cockbite

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and once again...just my humble thoughts:

Whether you believe or don't believe, Christmas is a holiday that came here with the Pilgrims. You know, the people that were the ones who established our society here in North America. My ancestors as well as many of yours paved the curvy and tumultuous road to the “current commercialization” of Christmas in blood, sweat, and tears. I choose to believe what I want to, and I don't dog anyone else for believing what he or she chooses to believe.

Christian faith, principles, and beliefs are what drove those that set up the freedoms that WE all currently enjoy. The mindset of humanity, compassion, humility, and honesty (no matter how abused and twisted all the "sorts of religious factions" have made them for their own gain notwithstanding) are for, and will always be for the betterment of mankind. I'm a Christian, and I'm proud of that fact. Not wanting to dive into a never-ending argument of a theological nature, I will say this: I have yet to see a Pagan, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Scientologist, or atheist turn down a Christmas Bonus or refuse to take a Christmas Day off with pay because they "don't believe in Jesus." Put that into your brain. Digest that hypocrisy and talk to me about it some other time. This is a time of year for those of my "ilk" to reflect and celebrate HOW WE CHOOSE.

You won't see me burning any effigies at your next Ramadan, bitching about your jewelry shop closing early on the Sabbath, or catch me banging pots at your next drumming circle to "protest." Freedom of religion for all and freedom of speech for all.. All the time or not at all. Just don't try to “rain on my parade,” or I will tell you to stuff a sock in it. OK? Great, thanks!

To all: Merry Christmas (even if this just means that you and yours have a safe, happy, peaceful day, then I am happy for you). If you, however are going to use this day as a protest against those that do believe, look in the mirror, take a deep breath, and say STFU for me, since I'll be busy having a safe, happy, peaceful day of love, joy, and giving with mine.

Now, if someone does possess the gaul and the conviction to run around disparaging others' beliefs, don't you think that their time could be better spent ACTUALLY DOING SOMETING POSITIVE IN THIR COMMUNITY? (IE; organizing a blood drive, instead of protesting one becuase of "The Red Cross." Picking up trash from the sides of the roads instead of putting it there. Establishing a homeless shelter instead of protesting the church in their community that shelters the homeless) I just wish the bitter folks with nothing better to do could get off their soap boxes long enough to feel the Earth below their feet. For the Earth weeps, because it inhabitants have long since lost their "humanity, compassion, and understanding."

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why the fuck cant people let people go about their day without being a total cockbite to other people "just because"

believe in Yule. great

believe in the Birth of Christ, fine by me

Celebrating Dwali, super.

cant we just let people get on with their day without being a total cockbite

:jamin

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Here's a question: Is there a symbol or icon, similar to a nativity scene, that speaks to Atheism without disparaging other religions verbally? Or is that an impossibility because of the nature of Atheism?

Yes, this:

670px-Atheism_symbol.svg.png

It's stupid, I know. If you mean something more tangible, then no, I don't think so.

That said...sigh. The idiots who put that sign up really need a good kick to the head. There's no reason to disparage anyone else's religion (unless they make a point of trying to take away your rights to worship or not), and much like the stupid-ass crazy-Baptists or the Phelps clan, these atheist dipshits give the rest of us a bad name.

So, from an atheist who really wants to be left alone, to these geniuses, "Shut the fuck up already and leave everyone else alone."

Oh, and that goes, too, for the special ed. kids who brought the "Atheists go to hell" signs.

Fuck, I hate people.

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why the fuck cant people let people go about their day without being a total cockbite to other people "just because"

believe in Yule. great

believe in the Birth of Christ, fine by me

Celebrating Dwali, super.

cant we just let people get on with their day without being a total cockbite

Well met my good man!

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Yes, this:

670px-Atheism_symbol.svg.png

It's stupid, I know. If you mean something more tangible, then no, I don't think so.

That said...sigh. The idiots who put that sign up really need a good kick to the head. There's no reason to disparage anyone else's religion (unless they make a point of trying to take away your rights to worship or not), and much like the stupid-ass crazy-Baptists or the Phelps clan, these atheist dipshits give the rest of us a bad name.

So, from an atheist who really wants to be left alone, to these geniuses, "Shut the fuck up already and leave everyone else alone."

Oh, and that goes, too, for the special ed. kids who brought the "Atheists go to hell" signs.

Fuck, I hate people.

You want to come over for Turkey Dinner on Thursday my old friend? I promise there will be no bible thumping revival like crap. Just a bunch of people having a good time...unless Brenda wins at Totally 80s Trivial Pursuit again, then it could get real ugly! ;)

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why the fuck cant people let people go about their day without being a total cockbite to other people "just because"

believe in Yule. great

believe in the Birth of Christ, fine by me

Celebrating Dwali, super.

cant we just let people get on with their day without being a total cockbite

Dwali! I love Dwali. Damn, I miss working in a residential building of Indian grad students.

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Here's a question: Is there a symbol or icon, similar to a nativity scene, that speaks to Atheism without disparaging other religions verbally? Or is that an impossibility because of the nature of Atheism?

nope, specially since there attacking christian mythos to show there atheist.

could they attack lets say buddhism instead. hmm no the sign was stated as a public protest against christianity.

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Here's a question: Is there a symbol or icon, similar to a nativity scene, that speaks to Atheism without disparaging other religions verbally? Or is that an impossibility because of the nature of Atheism?

Yes, although what that symbol officially is, is what they can't decide on. http://athterisk.org/

nope, specially since there attacking christian mythos to show there atheist.

could they attack lets say buddhism instead. hmm no the sign was stated as a public protest against christianity.

That's because it is the biggest target that exists. Who wants to attack a little pissant religion (other than Scientology, which is such an easy target). People go after the big dog for a reason.

Although I didn't see where it was targeting it specifically. I thought it was just targeting all delus... religion :)

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