Obese people to pay double fares on airlines

[torn asunder]

...Then why is it I only eat like twice a day, I don't eat a lot when I do, barely ever touch sweets, and walk EVERYWHERE yet I am still about 30 pounds overweight...

you're in starvation mode, likely, and believe it or not, also likely need to eat more, to lose weight. search thru some of the posts in the health forum, we discuss a lot of that stuff there!

[Marmee_Noir]

true...but if they are bumped from the flight...their ticket should be TRANSFERED to the next available flight, just like anyone else...not "forced" to purchase a second ticket. THATS a form of discrimination

If you would read what it says! It said that if the plane is full that the passenger would be bumped to the next flight! And may have to purchase a second ticket... A second ticket as in buying another seat. Two seats.

And this is so not a discrimination... This is making sure that all customers are comfortable.

There are no weight restrictions. It's based on how well you fit into the designated seat space.

Now I will admit to one thing.. I do think this could make people uncomfortable and embarrassed, being told they have to purchase two seats, and I think that is where most of these nonsense arguments about it being discrimination are coming from. So I believe that the airlines really truly need to make sure thing are done in a delicate non-public-embarrassing way.

[TygerLili]

Or, what they airline could do is require that passengers who can't fit in a regular seat purchase a first class ticket, since those seats are wider anyway. That way no one gets bumped or embarassed, and everybody wins.

[TitsMcGee]

Or, what they airline could do is require that passengers who can't fit in a regular seat purchase a first class ticket, since those seats are wider anyway. That way no one gets bumped or embarassed, and everybody wins.

I could roll with that...you get a cookie for the idea.

[TheOsakaKoneko]

I am pretty okay with this upon reading their definition of 'obese'... If you literally CANNOT sit in one seat with a seatbelt on - even with an extension - you will need two seats, and if you literally need 2 seats, 2 full seats by yourself (ie not overflowing into the seat and person next to you, but requiring that no one sit there), it seems fair that you have to buy 2 tickets. When I first heard this I heard they were going by the technical definition of obese...just overweight... My parents have a wii fit and it tells me I'm obese. I know I could lose a few a few dozen pounds, but I don't know...I don't really feel obese. (Maybe I should..) As long as someone my size wouldn't have to pay double, I don't see the issue...I'm never taking up more than my space, even with my skirts and pettis on I fit nicely into just one.

[Head Wreck]

just hit them with a bagage excess if its not health related

[Rev.Reverence]

I am pretty okay with this upon reading their definition of 'obese'... If you literally CANNOT sit in one seat with a seatbelt on - even with an extension - you will need two seats, and if you literally need 2 seats, 2 full seats by yourself (ie not overflowing into the seat and person next to you, but requiring that no one sit there), it seems fair that you have to buy 2 tickets. When I first heard this I heard they were going by the technical definition of obese...just overweight... My parents have a wii fit and it tells me I'm obese. I know I could lose a few a few dozen pounds, but I don't know...I don't really feel obese. (Maybe I should..) As long as someone my size wouldn't have to pay double, I don't see the issue...I'm never taking up more than my space, even with my skirts and pettis on I fit nicely into just one.

*hands you a "Perfect-How-You-Are" card*

[candyman]

So what are they going to do about loud and annoying people? I understand that you cannot silence Pauly Shore on the movie...but what about the others? I can fall asleep on a fat person...loud people keep me awake!

[Head Wreck]

or kids kicking the fucking chairs.

both ways this trip. fucking British all girls boarding schools on their annual skiing trip. and every time i had my chair kicked repeatedly all the way through.

(ITS FUCKING DARK OUT THERE GET SLEEP.

jeesus. they hand out amphetamines as part of the inflight teens menu now?

[Destroit]

If you can prove from a note from your physician that you are obese BECAUSE and SOLELY because of a glandular medical condition (or otherwise), then you should be exempt from this.

If you are 90% of obese people and are obese from your own doing and lazy lifestyle/eating habits...you gotta pay. That's my opinion.

[Destroit]

...Then why is it I only eat like twice a day, I don't eat a lot when I do, barely ever touch sweets, and walk EVERYWHERE yet I am still about 30 pounds overweight...

Answer: Twice a day is slowing down your metabolism. You want smaller meals throughout the day. Also, you're probably eating the wrong things (I'm guessing). ALSO...walking alone is not enough to lose substantial weight. It's true that walking can HELP you KEEP the weight off...but if you are trying LOSE, then walking is doing absolutely nothing for you, unless you walk like 5 hours everyday . Try running/jogging for an hour a day (weight training totally Chuck Norrises your metabolism into ultra drive also so I recommend it highly), change your diet, and eat smaller meals throughout the day and you will be slim, sexay, and shapely in no time. I promise.

Edited April 22, 2009 by Chernobyl

[Constantin]

actually weight training isnt that good for you unless you want to bulk up i talked about this with my buddy from the marines it doesnt increase strength and power just size of your muscles your better off jogging doing pull ups and push ups and crunches and some toning excersizes too. its getting warm out and im about to start working out with my buddy.

also to add the airlines should just add bigger seats heck they have handicap accomedations and most planes dont fly with with every seat takin now an days with this ressecion going on. so why cant they just take out 40 uncomfortable seats out and put 30 slightly larger seats in. heck im not obese and when i went to the fillmore last i had a hard time sitting in there chairs because they were made when people i guess didnt weigh more then a hundred pounds.

Edited April 23, 2009 by Constantin

[torn asunder]

actually weight training isnt that good for you unless you want to bulk up i talked about this with my buddy from the marines it doesnt increase strength and power just size of your muscles your better off jogging doing pull ups and push ups and crunches and some toning excersizes too. its getting warm out and im about to start working out with my buddy.

sorry, that's flat out B.S.

weight training is good for anyone physically able to safely do so. if you know what you're doing, you can tailor your workout so as to either increase strength, increase muscle size, or just "tone up" and burn calories. and honestly, what do you think pushups and pullups are? they are "bodyweight weightlifting"!

and seriously, are you saying that weightlifting won't increase strength? or power? that *is* what you wrote, correct? perhaps you'd like to tell that to olympic powerlifters, or football/basketball/baseball players, etc...

not trying to be a jerk at all, but if you don't really understand the physical processes involved in weightlifting, spreading inaccurate rumours isn't going to help anybody. i'd be happy to clear some things up for you, if you'd care to talk in pm's!

[Constantin]

sorry, that's flat out B.S.

weight training is good for anyone physically able to safely do so. if you know what you're doing, you can tailor your workout so as to either increase strength, increase muscle size, or just "tone up" and burn calories. and honestly, what do you think pushups and pullups are? they are "bodyweight weightlifting"!

and seriously, are you saying that weightlifting won't increase strength? or power? that *is* what you wrote, correct? perhaps you'd like to tell that to olympic powerlifters, or football/basketball/baseball players, etc...

not trying to be a jerk at all, but if you don't really understand the physical processes involved in weightlifting, spreading inaccurate rumours isn't going to help anybody. i'd be happy to clear some things up for you, if you'd care to talk in pm's!

take a look at bruce lee never lifted a weight in his life and yet had so much power and as for the olympic power lifters and sports athletes you ever hear of h.g.h or human growth hormone well its a steroid that most of those types of people you listed take power lifters escpecially i watched a doc about it why do think they can lift 500+ lbs and shit like that the human body doesnt naturally get that size or have that strength.

and also i had a personal trainer once who put me on a workout regiment and i followed it and nothing happend but in 5 monthes of doing regular activities and no weights just running around playing hackey sack and turning the radio on and just moving around i lost 45lbs so i think i know a lol bit of what i am talking about and cher didnt loose her weight with weights it was ddr which required her to move the key is movement, motion or just doing more shit.

and as far as the doc i watched i will find it for you so you can see its about steriod use in america. alot of interesting things i learned in there.

here is a link to the doc its on megaupload so there is a limit on how much you can watch before it stops and makes you wait 54 minutes to continues but its the best i could do on short notice.

http://www.ineedpopcorn.com/play.php?id=003077

Edited April 23, 2009 by Constantin

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

sorry, that's flat out B.S.

weight training is good for anyone physically able to safely do so. if you know what you're doing, you can tailor your workout so as to either increase strength, increase muscle size, or just "tone up" and burn calories. and honestly, what do you think pushups and pullups are? they are "bodyweight weightlifting"!

and seriously, are you saying that weightlifting won't increase strength? or power? that *is* what you wrote, correct? perhaps you'd like to tell that to olympic powerlifters, or football/basketball/baseball players, etc...

not trying to be a jerk at all, but if you don't really understand the physical processes involved in weightlifting, spreading inaccurate rumours isn't going to help anybody. i'd be happy to clear some things up for you, if you'd care to talk in pm's!

I think what he was trying to say was that an obese person should not start lifting weights to loose weight, as that doesn't work well, and it's unhealthy to start off first.

in that, he is correct, Torn. You are much better off, if you are largely overweight, to work on toning and loosing weight instead of working on dead lifts, militarty squats, and such, which can hurt you in the long run as you are putting too much strain on your body.

[torn asunder]

take a look at bruce lee never lifted a weight in his life and yet had so much power and as for the olympic power lifters and sports athletes you ever hear of h.g.h or human growth hormone well its a steroid that most of those types of people you listed take power lifters escpecially i watched a doc about it why do think they can lift 500+ lbs and shit like that the human body doesnt naturally get that size or have that strength.

and also i had a personal trainer once who put me on a workout regiment and i followed it and nothing happend but in 5 monthes of doing regular activities and no weights just running around playing hackey sack and turning the radio on and just moving around i lost 45lbs so i think i know a lol bit of what i am talking about and cher didnt loose her weight with weights it was ddr which required her to move the key is movement, motion or just doing more shit.

and as far as the doc i watched i will find it for you so you can see its about steriod use in america. alot of interesting things i learned in there.

here is a link to the doc its on megaupload so there is a limit on how much you can watch before it stops and makes you wait 54 minutes to continues but its the best i could do on short notice.

http://www.ineedpopcorn.com/play.php?id=003077

look, i talk to guys on a regular basis who are all natural (non-steriod users - one of whom is 60 years old!), and can deadlift and squat 400+ pounds and they're not giants in any way. they have muscle mass, and they look strong, but are nothing like the "mr. universe" guys. seriously and trust me, watching one single documentary that talks about steroid use in no way makes you knowledgeable on the subject.

as for power lifters, dude, olympians are carefully tested, and can't use steriods or they'll be disqualified. if you really want to get into a link contest about this, i can post non-steriod power lifter videos all day long. shall i?

as for you losing 45# how much fat did you lose vs. muscle mass? muscle weighs more than fat, so in 5 months, it's entirely possible that you gained muscle, lost fat, and your weight stayed the same. of coursethe question is, while you were on that training regiment, what was your diet like - what were you eating? did you even track it? did you research the regiment you were put on, to see if it was any good? did you do any research at all, or did you just go through the motions on a bunch of machines? how much effort did you put into your lifts? there are so many variables...

i'm sorry if i'm being harsh, but it really gets on my nerves when people badmouth something that's healthy for +90% of the population, and can be greatly beneficial on several different levels, when they have no idea about the subject. i'm glad that "just running around playing hackey sack and turning the radio on and just moving around" seemed to work for you, but in no way is that something you can try to use to help someone else lose weight, gain strength, and become healthier.

[torn asunder]

I think what he was trying to say was that an obese person should not start lifting weights to loose weight, as that doesn't work well, and it's unhealthy to start off first.

in that, he is correct, Torn. You are much better off, if you are largely overweight, to work on toning and loosing weight instead of working on dead lifts, militarty squats, and such, which can hurt you in the long run as you are putting too much strain on your body.

well, i don't think that's what he was trying to say, as he started talking about bruce lee, who is in no way obese.

i can only agree with that for people who are quite obese - even moderately obese people can benefit from things like bodyweight squats (which can essentially be nothing more than sitting on a chair and standing, over and over), modified pushups (or even wall-pushups). the more muscle mass you have, the easier it is to lose weight, because muscle requires more energy than fat, and thusly increases resting metabolism, which means you burn more calories just sitting or lying. increased muscle strength also helps heavy people to exercise more/longer, which can allow them to burn more calories, etc...

and for the record, according to bmi charts, i'm obese, or damn close. my max deadlift is up around 285# at present (and will be much higher by neaxt year), and i don't use steriods or hgh...

please read up a bit more on the topic, before condemning it...

[torn asunder]

and i just realized i got terribly off-topic.

i will shut up now, please carry on with the original topic at hand...

[Constantin]

look, i talk to guys on a regular basis who are all natural (non-steriod users - one of whom is 60 years old!), and can deadlift and squat 400+ pounds and they're not giants in any way. they have muscle mass, and they look strong, but are nothing like the "mr. universe" guys. seriously and trust me, watching one single documentary that talks about steroid use in no way makes you knowledgeable on the subject.

as for power lifters, dude, olympians are carefully tested, and can't use steriods or they'll be disqualified. if you really want to get into a link contest about this, i can post non-steriod power lifter videos all day long. shall i?

as for you losing 45# how much fat did you lose vs. muscle mass? muscle weighs more than fat, so in 5 months, it's entirely possible that you gained muscle, lost fat, and your weight stayed the same. of coursethe question is, while you were on that training regiment, what was your diet like - what were you eating? did you even track it? did you research the regiment you were put on, to see if it was any good? did you do any research at all, or did you just go through the motions on a bunch of machines? how much effort did you put into your lifts? there are so many variables...

i'm sorry if i'm being harsh, but it really gets on my nerves when people badmouth something that's healthy for +90% of the population, and can be greatly beneficial on several different levels, when they have no idea about the subject. i'm glad that "just running around playing hackey sack and turning the radio on and just moving around" seemed to work for you, but in no way is that something you can try to use to help someone else lose weight, gain strength, and become healthier.

well were to start when i was going to the gym i ate a regular high protein diet when i stoped i ignored what most of the books and dietary things had to say and put myself on a high carb diet because my budget was thin i could only afford ramon noodle for a carb now i know whole wheat would have been better but what can you do when your poor. i always made sure i had veggies to mix in it and about twice to three times a week i would eat meat with my ramon usually chicken which i have read recently is a healthy source of protein with good fats in it. as far as hunger pains went from adjusting to eating a bit less and cutting all the meat out i would smoke a joint and drink a beer which if you read on that a beer a day can be healthy i did drink plenty of water too. i did loose a lil bit of muscle mass with the weight but that is expected when you loose weight your body has to adjust i didnt need the extra muscle any more i wasnt carrying the extra weight. also i was going for a natural look using weights is good when your already at a target body size and your fat percentage is were it should be then yeah go ahead and use some weights build up but if your trying to loose weight what your saying is good will only build upon what you have the person will have a bit more strength but remain stocky looking like all those power lifters you see just watch worlds strongest man competitions and you will see what i mean you can tell some of those guys use to be chunky they still have what looks like a gut even though its muscle.

and to quote from hh

Weights changed my physique somewhat permanently I have bigger arms now even when i don't lift.

did the weights for my upper and skate/bike for the lower for years and I was huge. Kinda masculine even. I never thought it could happen to me but it did/does.

end quote

weights may not be what the person trying to loose weight needs thats all i am getting at

[Invictus]

take a look at bruce lee never lifted a weight in his life and yet had so much power and as for the olympic power lifters and sports athletes you ever hear of h.g.h or human growth hormone well its a steroid that most of those types of people you listed take power lifters escpecially i watched a doc about it why do think they can lift 500+ lbs and shit like that the human body doesnt naturally get that size or have that strength.

and also i had a personal trainer once who put me on a workout regiment and i followed it and nothing happend but in 5 monthes of doing regular activities and no weights just running around playing hackey sack and turning the radio on and just moving around i lost 45lbs so i think i know a lol bit of what i am talking about and cher didnt loose her weight with weights it was ddr which required her to move the key is movement, motion or just doing more shit.

...snip...

Had to throw my own .02 in here, although torn asunder covered most of it.

1stly, yes, Bruce Lee did in fact lift weights. The injury that landed him in bed for a period of months was the result of going way too heavy on barbell good mornings. This is just one website that talks about Bruce Lee's weight training. Google Bruce Lee weight training and you'll find plenty more.

2nd, I've been weight training for about a year on and off without HGH or Steroids and I can deadlift 405# for 5 reps.

3rd, I was almost 300lbs before I started weight training, and now with proper eating and lifting I dropped all the way to 230 and kept most of my muscle mass, and now I'm up to 253 at the same bodyfat as I was at 230. So yes, lifting can help you loose weight and retain muscle if you use them properly and eat enough while doing so.

[Constantin]

Had to throw my own .02 in here, although torn asunder covered most of it.

1stly, yes, Bruce Lee did in fact lift weights. The injury that landed him in bed for a period of months was the result of going way too heavy on barbell good mornings. This is just one website that talks about Bruce Lee's weight training. Google Bruce Lee weight training and you'll find plenty more.

2nd, I've been weight training for about a year on and off without HGH or Steroids and I can deadlift 405# for 5 reps.

3rd, I was almost 300lbs before I started weight training, and now with proper eating and lifting I dropped all the way to 230 and kept most of my muscle mass, and now I'm up to 253 at the same bodyfat as I was at 230. So yes, lifting can help you loose weight and retain muscle if you use them properly and eat enough while doing so.

ok so i am wrong about bruce sorry i will admit defeat there

but do you think a women would want all that muscle or a person not trying to look like arnold there is weight loss and weight training they are designed for 2 different outcomes

[Invictus]

If you lift, but don't eat more than maintenance, you won't gain mass, but you will gain strength. You just probably won't gain strength as fast as the guy eating above maintenance. Plus women don't have as much testosterone, so it's hard for them to get truly big without supplementation thereof. Actually, if you'd like to take this over to the weightlifting thread or to PM's, I'd be happy to continue the discussion. I think we've probably threadjacked this enough.

[Onyx]

ok so i am wrong about bruce sorry i will admit defeat there

but do you think a women would want all that muscle or a person not trying to look like arnold there is weight loss and weight training they are designed for 2 different outcomes

Most women don't have the testosterone to develop that bulky muscle mass. You'd have to really be obsessive about it.

I've lifted weights (really want to get back into it again) and it made for long-lean, toned muscles, plus I was able to eat a LOT more calories because you burn more at rest. The nice thing is, it doesn't take that much time to start seeing results either. Nothing else worked that fast for me as far as exercise.

[~Tszura~]

So what are they going to do about loud and annoying people? I understand that you cannot silence Pauly Shore on the movie...but what about the others? I can fall asleep on a fat person...loud people keep me awake!

Even though I don't like it, I can understand this policy if it has something to do with science and safety issues. If it's just to make the next person a little more comfortable, sorry, then this policy sucks. In the face of wankers who won't shut up, crying babies, and people who stink, snuggling up next to some extra poundage is the least of my worries on a long flight.

I come from a large family, in size and girth, so I realize I am a little biased. When you see the pain on a family members face, however, who has just been asked to get off a ride for being too big, then you may feel different, too.