Obese people to pay double fares on airlines

[Tacohitts]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090415/ts_nm/...W5pdGVkYWlydG9j

[jynxxxedangel]

I thought some airlines were already doing this.

[StormKnight (1)]

According to the article, United makes a total of 8 airlines that do this.

[Guest Megalicious]

Well good.

[Slogo]

this is stupid. Some people who are obese do have glandular issues

[TygerLili]

I have no problem with this, but what I don't understand is why the airlines do this, but allow people with infants and toddlers to purchase one ticket and hold the child on their lap. They should have to purchase two seats, and the child should have to be in a car seat and buckled in during take off, landing and turbulence. It's not safe for a parent to hold a child in a moving car, why allow them to do it on a plane? Sitting next to a "loose" baby who keeps kicking me and pulling my hair on a long flight is more annoying than sitting next to an obese person who takes up part of my seat.

[Guest Megalicious]

. They should have to purchase two seats, and the child should have to be in a car seat and buckled in during take off, landing and turbulence.

I couldn't agree more ....

[TitsMcGee]

I have no problem with this, but what I don't understand is why the airlines do this, but allow people with infants and toddlers to purchase one ticket and hold the child on their lap. They should have to purchase two seats, and the child should have to be in a car seat and buckled in during take off, landing and turbulence. It's not safe for a parent to hold a child in a moving car, why allow them to do it on a plane? Sitting next to a "loose" baby who keeps kicking me and pulling my hair on a long flight is more annoying than sitting next to an obese person who takes up part of my seat.

+1

Seriously it is a double standard, babies/kids are cute...fat people apparently are not. I also agree with Slogo, sometimes people are over weight because of an underlying health issues, not because they are lazy slobs. Would you punish a diabetic because they have have diabeties?

[Slogo]

+1

Seriously it is a double standard, babies/kids are cute...fat people apparently are not. I also agree with Slogo, sometimes people are over weight because of an underlying health issues, not because they are lazy slobs. Would you punish a diabetic because they have have diabeties?

And if you and i agree on something in this section...you know something is right.

luv ya tits (in a friendly way)

[TitsMcGee]

And if you and i agree on something in this section...you know something is right.

luv ya tits (in a friendly way)

It has to happen ocassionally lol *hugs*

[Marmee_Noir]

+1

Seriously it is a double standard, babies/kids are cute...fat people apparently are not. I also agree with Slogo, sometimes people are over weight because of an underlying health issues, not because they are lazy slobs. Would you punish a diabetic because they have have diabeties?

I really doubt it is to punish obese people! It's more for the safety and comfort of all passengers. I totally agree that there should be no double standard and infants and small children should have there own safety seats also.. But back to the main subject, I've flown quite a bit and it SUCKS having to share your seat with another person. It's not a slam against them cause they're over weight, it's more of "Why should I pay full price for a seat I'm only able to occupying HALF of..."

It goes into that whole "rights end where rights begin and blah blah blah." If a person is unable to properly fit into a seat, AND there body is invading anothers seat then yes I feel they should have to purchase to tickets! Or I better be getting a partial refund. I paid for my seat and it's MINE!

lol And yes I have had some bad experiences!!!!

[TitsMcGee]

I really doubt it is to punish obese people! It's more for the safety and comfort of all passengers. I totally agree that there should be no double standard and infants and small children should have there own safety seats also.. But back to the main subject, I've flown quite a bit and it SUCKS having to share your seat with another person. It's not a slam against them cause they're over weight, it's more of "Why should I pay full price for a seat I'm only able to occupying HALF of..."

It goes into that whole "rights end where rights begin and blah blah blah." If a person is unable to properly fit into a seat, AND there body is invading anothers seat then yes I feel they should have to purchase to tickets! Or I better be getting a partial refund. I paid for my seat and it's MINE!

lol And yes I have had some bad experiences!!!!

Okay punish was a bad word there, more like reprimand. I just don't think it's right to charge a person for two seats for something they might not have control over, especially when airline seats are already hundreds of dollars. I personally choose not to fly, so I haven't had that many experiences with it. I'd rather drive where I need to go, but thats because I just have a fear of flying.

[Invictus]

It seems reasonable to me, if you're using extra space, you should pay for the extra space. I would say that this should include people bringing young'uns along, however.

[creatureofthenyte]

It seems reasonable to me, if you're using extra space, you should pay for the extra space. I would say that this should include people bringing young'uns along, however.

I agree with this also, it makes sense.

[Homicidalheathen]

unfair and discrimination and penalizing based on judgement.

I had a hard time with a guy once who seemed to want to own half my seat and the ilse as well and he was thin

how about you pay more for being inconsiderate when people have to pee?

(back off spelling nazi's, I just got up )

Edited April 16, 2009 by Homicidalheathen

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It's not about the space. It's about the fuel. Someone who weighs 300pounds cost twice as much energy to move than someone who weighs 150 pounds.

[Rev.Reverence]

It's not about the space. It's about the fuel. Someone who weighs 300pounds cost twice as much energy to move than someone who weighs 150 pounds.

+1

Thank G*D for the Logic!

NOW...I was thinkin' the other week (while watching Discovery or some such affiliate) that this whole "glandular problem" is a HUGE steamy load of fuckin' shit.

SOME people MAY indeed have a glandular activity that makes them unable to be thin. As proof..I offer up Venus of Willendorff. (I has 1 in my locks...Ancestor Veneration)

The show I was watching (about tribes in the Amazon) had 1 fat person for a tribe of like 50 peoples...& she was an OLD lady....but when I walk through a mall in THIS country.....

I think it is the refined sugar & the over eating (you know you are NOT supposed to eat meat everyday)....the FDA lies.. THEY LIE...THEY LIE...THEY LIE!

MY PROOF...I once set out how much food I am "SUPPOSED" to eat everyday...took me nearly 3 days to eat.

AMERICA (in general) EATS TO FUCKIN' MUCH!

*This has been a generalized rant directed at the whiny Americans that will not to be healthy because they'ld rather try to fill the "hole inside" with food...& to the FDA & Medical Establishments that keep tellin' them what they want to hear.*

[torn asunder]

MY PROOF...I once set out how much food I am "SUPPOSED" to eat everyday...took me nearly 3 days to eat.

AMERICA (in general) EATS TO FUCKIN' MUCH!

the problem isn't people eating too much food, it's that they're not active enough.

i lift weights 3-4x/wk, and run 2 miles twice a week. i need to eat a *minimum* of 3000 calories in order to be able to do all that. the guidelines say i should only be eating 2000 for my weight, yet my basal metabolic requirements, (that's just to lie in bed and exist) calculate out to 2200.

guidelines are just that, and they vary greatly depending on the person.

on topic, if you're so big that i have to lean all the way onto the window and constantly tuck my arms in front of me for the entire trip so i'm not touching you, (fuel usage arguments aside) you should have to pay for another seat. i'm sorry, i don't care if you *do* have a glandular problem, if you're so large you don't fit a seat, and encroach into my personal space, you're violating my "rights". and what right do you have to say that i should just shut up and suffer? i paid my money for a full seat, not half of one! you don't have the right to force your body fat onto me, literally and/or figuratively speaking!

same with kids - unless that kid is going to sit on your lap for the entire flight, you need to pay for another seat.

Edited April 16, 2009 by torn asunder

[Rev.Reverence]

the problem isn't people eating too much food, it's that they're not active enough.

i lift weights 3-4x/wk, and run 2 miles twice a week. i need to eat a *minimum* of 3000 calories in order to be able to do all that. the guidelines say i should only be eating 2000 for my weight, yet my basal metabolic requirements, (that's just to lie in bed and exist) calculate out to 2200.

guidelines are just that, and they vary greatly depending on the person.

on topic, if you're so big that i have to lean all the way onto the window and constantly tuck my arms in front of me for the entire trip so i'm not touching you, (fuel usage arguments aside) you should have to pay for another seat. i'm sorry, i don't care if you *do* have a glandular problem, if you're so large you don't fit a seat, and encroach into my personal space, you're violating my "rights". and what right do you have to say that i should just shut up and suffer? i paid my money for a full seat, not half of one! you don't have the right to force your body fat onto me, literally and/or figuratively speaking!

same with kids - unless that kid is going to sit on your lap for the entire flight, you need to pay for another seat.

I dare say..I am active...it is hard to get me to sit still for more than 5-10 minutes.

But your point stands as a valid factor in the obesity rates..that & to much food as well (dude, really, how many peoples do you know that do "Super Size" the meal deal when they should not?) and THEN have an apple pie & a milk shake!

[Onyx]

the problem isn't people eating too much food, it's that they're not active enough.

<snip>

on topic, if you're so big that i have to lean all the way onto the window and constantly tuck my arms in front of me for the entire trip so i'm not touching you, (fuel usage arguments aside) you should have to pay for another seat. i'm sorry, i don't care if you *do* have a glandular problem, if you're so large you don't fit a seat, and encroach into my personal space, you're violating my "rights". and what right do you have to say that i should just shut up and suffer? i paid my money for a full seat, not half of one! you don't have the right to force your body fat onto me, literally and/or figuratively speaking!

same with kids - unless that kid is going to sit on your lap for the entire flight, you need to pay for another seat.

I think you are mostly correct about that, but it's pretty hard to be healthy on an American diet.

The white flour and sugar content makes your insulin levels go nuts, making you crave more white flour and sugar, messes up your triglycerides, lots of bad stuff. It gets out of control where you just get your body so out of whack you literally can not stop. Having good quality protein and cutting out that junk makes you feel sooo much better!

I feel so much better since I cut out most of the white flour and dramatically dropped my sugar intake. (Plus my cholesterol and triglycerides were sky high and now are normal --- yay).

but yes, if you take up 2 seats or are crowding me you need to pay for 2 tickets.

And children (even babies) should NOT EVER be allowed to travel in someone's lap. It's not safe.

Ever had a rough flight? Even a tiny bit of turbulence and baby goes flying off your lap and you've got a head injury or broken arm. Baby or child needs to be ALWAYS be in a flight-approved car seat and buckled in, period. Can't afford another ticket? Do what I did when my kids were little - save up until you can or do not go.

[Saint Germain]

It´s ok, if the neighbor pays the half fares

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

It has nothing to do with Fuel costs for the plane. The fuel used on flying a full plane of people under 220 lbs and a plane that has say, 4 people over 300lbs and the rest of the passengers at 220lbs, is going to be the same amount. It is such a large craft that passenger weight differential, unless it is to an IMMENSE degree, say...20+ people over 300 lbs on the same flight, has no effect on fuel usage.

It's about passenger comfert....and it's also a form of discrimination by the airlines.

I'm over 300 lbs and I don't take up two seats in a plane. Hell...I don't take up two seats on a Grey Hound Bus, which has smaller seats. Does that mean that I should pay for another seat that I am not physically occupying just because of my weight???

[Angel of Death]

I think it is the refined sugar & the over eating (you know you are NOT supposed to eat meat everyday)....the FDA lies.. THEY LIE...THEY LIE...THEY LIE!

MY PROOF...I once set out how much food I am "SUPPOSED" to eat everyday...took me nearly 3 days to eat.

AMERICA (in general) EATS TO FUCKIN' MUCH!

*This has been a generalized rant directed at the whiny Americans that will not to be healthy because they'ld rather try to fill the "hole inside" with food...& to the FDA & Medical Establishments that keep tellin' them what they want to hear.*

...Then why is it I only eat like twice a day, I don't eat a lot when I do, barely ever touch sweets, and walk EVERYWHERE yet I am still about 30 pounds overweight...

[Onyx]

It has nothing to do with Fuel costs for the plane. The fuel used on flying a full plane of people under 220 lbs and a plane that has say, 4 people over 300lbs and the rest of the passengers at 220lbs, is going to be the same amount. It is such a large craft that passenger weight differential, unless it is to an IMMENSE degree, say...20+ people over 300 lbs on the same flight, has no effect on fuel usage.

It's about passenger comfert....and it's also a form of discrimination by the airlines.

I'm over 300 lbs and I don't take up two seats in a plane. Hell...I don't take up two seats on a Grey Hound Bus, which has smaller seats. Does that mean that I should pay for another seat that I am not physically occupying just because of my weight???

Based on the article, it seems you are correct about it not being about fuel. This new regulation would NOT affect you though.

Under the regulations, you would not be charged for two seats because you fit perfectly well into one seat.

"Under the new policy, obese passengers -- defined as unable to lower the arm rest and buckle a seat belt with one extension belt -- will still be reaccommodated, at no extra charge, to two empty seats if there is space available.

If, however, the airplane is full, they will be bumped from the flight and may have to purchase a second ticket, at the same price as the original fare, Urbanski said."

(It seems reasonable to me because if a person can not lower the arm rest they aren't fitting into one seat, are they?

Edited April 18, 2009 by Onyx

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Based on the article, it seems you are correct about it not being about fuel. This new regulation would NOT affect you though.

Under the regulations, you would not be charged for two seats because you fit perfectly well into one seat.

"Under the new policy, obese passengers -- defined as unable to lower the arm rest and buckle a seat belt with one extension belt -- will still be reaccommodated, at no extra charge, to two empty seats if there is space available.

If, however, the airplane is full, they will be bumped from the flight and may have to purchase a second ticket, at the same price as the original fare, Urbanski said."

(It seems reasonable to me because if a person can not lower the arm rest they aren't fitting into one seat, are they?

true...but if they are bumped from the flight...their ticket should be TRANSFERED to the next available flight, just like anyone else...not "forced" to purchase a second ticket. THATS a form of discrimination