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[Rev.Reverence]

I like tea...

...it can be very soothing.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Not everything has to be a fuckin' argument...

A more true thing has never been said. I would love to just be able to talk about this stuff.

Rhodes: If you were looking ahead at your own personal budget and it looked like your incoming revenue was going to go down significantly, would you increase your spending on non-essentials? Or would you see what you could cut out of your budget so you could survive?

More on topic.

I don't know if I have mentioned this before... On 9/12 the Tea Party is marching in Washington DC. As of last night 394,000 have confirmed reservations to go.

Also, I am the new Chairman of the Media committee for my local chapter. Go me.

Edited April 29, 2009 by Gaf The Horse With Tears

[Rev.Reverence]

A more true thing has never been said. I would love to just be able to talk about this stuff.

Rhodes: If you were looking ahead at your own personal budget and it looked like your incoming revenue was going to go down significantly, would you increase your spending on non-essentials? Or would you see what you could cut out of your budget so you could survive?

More on topic.

I don't know if I have mentioned this before... On 9/12 the Tea Party is marching in Washington DC. As of last night 394,000 have confirmed reservations to go.

Also, I am the new Chairman of the Media committee for my local chapter. Go me.

Ah...now THAT...might get a few heads out of asses down there.

Congratis!...Chairman Gaf.

Kinda' sux that a bunch of peoples who are pissed about the tax increases & misspending have to take off work & buy gas & plane tix & hotel rooms & such...just to be heard.....such irony.

(edited because there's no such thing as a "bunk of peoples")

Edited April 29, 2009 by Rev.Reverence

[peelingchrome]

I don't know if I have mentioned this before... On 9/12 the Tea Party is marching in Washington DC. As of last night 394,000 have confirmed reservations to go.

Also, I am the new Chairman of the Media committee for my local chapter. Go me.

That's awesome to hear, man, keep up the good work!

I just looked up the trip and it's about 550 miles from my town... if anybody wants to go it'd be one long day of driving, or two short days of driving with a camp-out near Pittsburgh in between. That's a while from now and I have much logistics to work out (I'm still without a job or a car), but I'd love to sit down with some peoples and try to make plans to go and add some support. I'd LOVE to see this protest hit a million people, just like back in the 60's and 70's during the protesting heyday.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

A more true thing has never been said. I would love to just be able to talk about this stuff.

Rhodes: If you were looking ahead at your own personal budget and it looked like your incoming revenue was going to go down significantly, would you increase your spending on non-essentials? Or would you see what you could cut out of your budget so you could survive?

More on topic.

I don't know if I have mentioned this before... On 9/12 the Tea Party is marching in Washington DC. As of last night 394,000 have confirmed reservations to go.

Also, I am the new Chairman of the Media committee for my local chapter. Go me.

as much as I dis-agree with the ideas of these Tea Parties in general...congrats Gaf.

however, to answer your question....I would see what I could cut out of my budget....but then again, my budget does not affect MILLIONS of lives on a day to day basis, nor can cause the collapse of the world economy.

Now, since you have seen fit to pull in the idea of personal budget....we'll use that for an example, shall we?

When I was running Godfallen Promotions, I spent over 5 grand in the first 3-4 months to get it up and running: trip to Chicago, multiple shows, payouts, contacts, business purchases, etc. Thats not to count my living expenses. Over the two years that Godfallen Promotions was a running entity, I would have to say that close to 7-8 grand was spent, easily, on business expenses. My income was MUCH less, as I had quit my job at Applebees for personal reasons, and worked full-time on getting my business up and running. No sponsors. No financers. Nothing.

Now, here I am, in my mid 3rd year of being a booking agent and promoter. I have connections across the US. I have at least 1 decently known band under the Isle of Rhodes Ent. banner. I have interests from bands all over the midwest, as well as out in the west and east coasts. I have several higher earning shows before the end of winter this year, as well as a series of show trades between MI, IL, IN, and OH that will hopefully spark a new fire into the midwest music scene. My expenses are almost nihl, and because I DID spend so much money in my first two years, a decent amount of the industry knows me. I have done less them most of my local competition, but am known in larger circles and have the chance to MAKE more money with my business now then they have in the past 3 years...and we're in a FAILING economy that is seeing a SLIGHT rise, if any, right now.

and WHY is this happening??....Because I spent an ass load of money to make sure people knew me, and I worked my ass off for little to no reward, knowing that it would pay off in the long run.

so...in a nutshell...I am not scared of the mass spending right now. Because they ARE working their ass off to find solutions to these problems, and it will pay off in the long run. Most people don't want to be patient because they are suffering NOW, and thats understandable, but you can't start a good orchard without spending a half ton of money and work. Spend the money, do the work, and pay attention, and in the future, you'll yield more then enough fruit.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

as much as I dis-agree with the ideas of these Tea Parties in general...congrats Gaf.

however, to answer your question....I would see what I could cut out of my budget....but then again, my budget does not affect MILLIONS of lives on a day to day basis, nor can cause the collapse of the world economy.

Now, since you have seen fit to pull in the idea of personal budget....we'll use that for an example, shall we?

When I was running Godfallen Promotions, I spent over 5 grand in the first 3-4 months to get it up and running: trip to Chicago, multiple shows, payouts, contacts, business purchases, etc. Thats not to count my living expenses. Over the two years that Godfallen Promotions was a running entity, I would have to say that close to 7-8 grand was spent, easily, on business expenses. My income was MUCH less, as I had quit my job at Applebees for personal reasons, and worked full-time on getting my business up and running. No sponsors. No financers. Nothing.

Now, here I am, in my mid 3rd year of being a booking agent and promoter. I have connections across the US. I have at least 1 decently known band under the Isle of Rhodes Ent. banner. I have interests from bands all over the midwest, as well as out in the west and east coasts. I have several higher earning shows before the end of winter this year, as well as a series of show trades between MI, IL, IN, and OH that will hopefully spark a new fire into the midwest music scene. My expenses are almost nihl, and because I DID spend so much money in my first two years, a decent amount of the industry knows me. I have done less them most of my local competition, but am known in larger circles and have the chance to MAKE more money with my business now then they have in the past 3 years...and we're in a FAILING economy that is seeing a SLIGHT rise, if any, right now.

and WHY is this happening??....Because I spent an ass load of money to make sure people knew me, and I worked my ass off for little to no reward, knowing that it would pay off in the long run.

so...in a nutshell...I am not scared of the mass spending right now. Because they ARE working their ass off to find solutions to these problems, and it will pay off in the long run. Most people don't want to be patient because they are suffering NOW, and thats understandable, but you can't start a good orchard without spending a half ton of money and work. Spend the money, do the work, and pay attention, and in the future, you'll yield more then enough fruit.

What exactly do you disagree with? Freedom of Speech? The Constitution? Term limits for Congress? A fair and simple tax code like the Fair Tax? The 10th Amendment? Fiscal responsibility for government?

BTW... according to reports that came out in the last two days... the GDP is already shrinking faster than the best forcast said it would.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

for your information... I don't disagree with the Freedom of Speech or anything else...but I DO have major problems with how you are all going about it. The Freedom of Speech was not written to allow a half ton of people that don't know very much about economics, beyond "bad" and "good", to bitch, whine, and complain like a kindergarten field trip gone wrong. The Freedom of Speech was written with the intent in mind that no one would be supressed by the goverment in what they could express in writing or in speech.

The Tea parties have NOTHING to do with Freedom of Speech, and to hide behind it like a shield is wrong and goes against everything our forefathers wrote it with.

[Rev.Reverence]

*face---->palm*

[ttogreh]

I have to disagree with you, Rhodes, that the tea-baggers are not engaging in what the founders intended. The right to peacably assemble for any reason is a sacred part of our republic, and while I smirk and make fun of the grossly misinformed nature of most of the teabaggers, I will defend to my death their right to act like morons.

Dissent is patriotic.

[Rev.Reverence]

I have to disagree with you, Rhodes, that the tea-baggers are not engaging in what the founders intended. The right to peacably assemble for any reason is a sacred part of our republic, and while I smirk and make fun of the grossly misinformed nature of most of the teabaggers, I will defend to my death their right to act like morons.

Dissent is patriotic.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

I have to disagree with you, Rhodes, that the tea-baggers are not engaging in what the founders intended. The right to peacably assemble for any reason is a sacred part of our republic, and while I smirk and make fun of the grossly misinformed nature of most of the teabaggers, I will defend to my death their right to act like morons.

Dissent is patriotic.

peacably assemble....you do realize that holding a sign, screaming at the top of your lungs, that whole tea incident, and the HUGE amount of Obama bashing are no where near what was called a Peaceful assembly to our Forefathers. The meeting of the Contiental Congress and the Signing of the Declaration of Independance...those were Peaceful Assemblies. The Senate and Congress are Peaceful Assemblies. The right that people have, as citizens of the the US, to sit in on any judgement of bills and meeting of Senate and Congress is the right to peacefully assemble.

[Rev.Reverence]

peacably assemble....you do realize that holding a sign, screaming at the top of your lungs, that whole tea incident, and the HUGE amount of Obama bashing are no where near what was called a Peaceful assembly to our Forefathers. The meeting of the Contiental Congress and the Signing of the Declaration of Independance...those were Peaceful Assemblies. The Senate and Congress are Peaceful Assemblies. The right that people have, as citizens of the the US, to sit in on any judgement of bills and meeting of Senate and Congress is the right to peacefully assemble.

Really? I mean...really, really?

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Really? I mean...really, really?

yeah...according to the way everything was written...you have a right, as an US citizen, to attend anything from City Council meetings to meetings of Senate or Congress. You can't state your opinin publically in some of them...but you have the right to attend.

[Rev.Reverence]

yeah...according to the way everything was written...you have a right, as an US citizen, to attend anything from City Council meetings to meetings of Senate or Congress. You can't state your opinin publically in some of them...but you have the right to attend.

They ain't gonna' let no 500 peoples in at once...no matter how quiet we be...

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

They ain't gonna' let no 500 peoples in at once...no matter how quiet we be...

lol....actually...many state senate buildings have an upper tier that seats a decent number of people. I don't know about 500...but a decent number.

THATS part of Peacefully Assembling.

[Rev.Reverence]

SWEET! Let's go!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK.

So somehow my expansion of Rhodes example of his business as a comparison to the Government was deemed as me insulting him.

Let me explain. I did not mean my question to be insulting or as an insinuation. We were talking about the economy and taxes in this thread. Rhodes chose to use his business success as an example oh how deficit spending can work. I mearly wanted to know if he had to steal from his clients that were doing well to prop up his clients that were not. Which, is what redistribution of wealth that Obama has openly stated he is doing is. Stealing.

I thought people would follow the logic and understand what I was getting at. I was wrong. So I am sorry, I guesse.

What really confuses me... is how ttogreh repeatly calling anyone that goes to a TEA Party protest, including me, a moron and other degrading names... is somehow translated into me calling everyone else those names and me getting punished for it. Someone please explain that one to me.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

peacably assemble....you do realize that holding a sign, screaming at the top of your lungs, that whole tea incident, and the HUGE amount of Obama bashing are no where near what was called a Peaceful assembly to our Forefathers. The meeting of the Contiental Congress and the Signing of the Declaration of Independance...those were Peaceful Assemblies. The Senate and Congress are Peaceful Assemblies. The right that people have, as citizens of the the US, to sit in on any judgement of bills and meeting of Senate and Congress is the right to peacefully assemble.

So, every protest that has ever happend is against the law? Even though the Supreme Court has ruled over and over again that the are protected by the 1st?

Why didn't you bring this up when the anti-war protests were all the rage? Do you oppose Code Pink? What about the Million Man March? What about the Anti-Bush protests? The Peace protests of the 60's? The Civil Rights marches?

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

So, every protest that has ever happend is against the law? Even though the Supreme Court has ruled over and over again that the are protected by the 1st?

Why didn't you bring this up when the anti-war protests were all the rage? Do you oppose Code Pink? What about the Million Man March? What about the Anti-Bush protests? The Peace protests of the 60's? The Civil Rights marches?

technically....yeah...they are against the law....their against the law as our forefathers wrote it. The Supreme Court has changed the original laws to fit what standards they deem nessecary for the times.

I did not agree with the anti-war protests or the Anti-Bush protests. I am not currently aware of what Code Pink is.

the Million Man March was the closest thing to "peaceful assembly" that a protest has come to.

[Rev.Reverence]

OK.

So somehow my expansion of Rhodes example of his business as a comparison to the Government was deemed as me insulting him.

Let me explain. I did not mean my question to be insulting or as an insinuation. We were talking about the economy and taxes in this thread. Rhodes chose to use his business success as an example oh how deficit spending can work. I mearly wanted to know if he had to steal from his clients that were doing well to prop up his clients that were not. Which, is what redistribution of wealth that Obama has openly stated he is doing is. Stealing.

I thought people would follow the logic and understand what I was getting at. I was wrong. So I am sorry, I guesse.

What really confuses me... is how ttogreh repeatly calling anyone that goes to a TEA Party protest, including me, a moron and other degrading names... is somehow translated into me calling everyone else those names and me getting punished for it. Someone please explain that one to me.

Quite the civil move Gaf...I applaud you.....I got it first time around (I guess I'm not 'people'; the Goat thanx the Horse...I think) It was a hypothetical analogy...it's points were clear.....& I know IORE & that is not how he does.....but I know many do (difference between "good" & "bad" for a promoter).....

I don' get it either...

So, every protest that has ever happend is against the law? Even though the Supreme Court has ruled over and over again that the are protected by the 1st?

Why didn't you bring this up when the anti-war protests were all the rage? Do you oppose Code Pink? What about the Million Man March? What about the Anti-Bush protests? The Peace protests of the 60's? The Civil Rights marches?

technically....yeah...they are against the law....their against the law as our forefathers wrote it. The Supreme Court has changed the original laws to fit what standards they deem nessecary for the times.

I did not agree with the anti-war protests or the Anti-Bush protests. I am not currently aware of what Code Pink is.

the Million Man March was the closest thing to "peaceful assembly" that a protest has come to.

NO! NO! NO! Bad, bad, IORE.....the spirit that this country was founded on is THE ABILITY TO CHANGE WITH THE TIMES...doing so enables us to not fall behind.....CURRENT PROBLEM.....CORRUPTION.....of the hearts & minds of far to many peoples.....they kept takin'...never gave...NOW..as we may all reap the benefits of Christs sacrifice; we to must share in the clean-up of this grand mess (that you will probably not be surprised to find the problems are in fact much deeper than $ & gay marriage)....

(last line for my readers)

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

technically....yeah...they are against the law....their against the law as our forefathers wrote it. The Supreme Court has changed the original laws to fit what standards they deem nessecary for the times.

I did not agree with the anti-war protests or the Anti-Bush protests. I am not currently aware of what Code Pink is.

the Million Man March was the closest thing to "peaceful assembly" that a protest has come to.

Well, I'm going to have to side with the protesters. Americans have been protesting government since October 31, 1765 when the Sons of Liberty protested the Stamp Act. We codified our rights to Free Speech, Peaceable Assembly and Petition for a reason.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If that is not the definition of a protest I don't know what is.

[ttogreh]

"Act like" morons, Gaf, "act like". If you are going to engage in passive aggressive debate tactics and comment on my words third hand, you should at least get those words right.

Really good job ignoring me, by the way.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If that is not the definition of a protest I don't know what is.

really??

cuz Petition is defined as such

"1. A solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty.

2. A formal written document requesting a right or benefit from a person or group in authority.

3. Law

a. A formal written application requesting a court for a specific judicial action: a petition for appeal.

b. The judicial action asked for in any such request."

Protest, however, is defined as

"A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization.

2. An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval.

3. Law

a. A formal statement drawn up by a notary for a creditor declaring that the debtor has refused to accept or honor a bill.

b. A formal declaration made by a taxpayer stating that the tax demanded is illegal or excessive and reserving the right to contest it."

now...lets look at the differances. A Petition requires no picketing, no history of aggression and violence, and often ends up with NO one being arrested.

Protests, on the other hand, are HEAVY into picketing, have a history of aggression and violence, and often end in at least several people arrested, if not more. Also, I see nothing in modern Protests having to do with Formal statements or declarations...but instead of a bunch of circling, whining, and complaining.

You want to have the "peaceful assembly protest"?....get 1000+ chairs and sit them in front of the steps of Senate and Congress. Sit in those chairs as long as it takes. File a formal letter stating that those 1000+ people will not leave the steps of the buildings until their grievances are heard, in person, by the collected members of Senate and Congress.

welcome to "Peaceful Assembly" Protesting. NO picket lines, no history of violence, and often no arrests.

[Rev.Reverence]

Well, I'm going to have to side with the protesters. Americans have been protesting government since October 31, 1765 when the Sons of Liberty protested the Stamp Act. We codified our rights to Free Speech, Peaceable Assembly and Petition for a reason.

*plays Everyday Is Halloween*

*cracks up*