Historical Political Question

[peelingchrome]

I've been having a discussion with a friend about colonial America. I assert that we threw off the monarchy through the process of the Revolutionary War. She asserts that when the colonists saw the abundant land they threw off the monarchy.

While I can see her ideological viewpoint, I argue that the monarchy wasn't thrown off until the end of the war. She disagrees. Can anyone shed any light on this subject? I'm lacking specific references and so is she.

[Slogo]

Officailly (I can't spell today), we overthrew the monarchy when the Treaty of Paris was signed in I believe 1783. Though all the open, unused land was one of our reasons for leaving the crown (they had treaties with the natives about how far they could go) that didn't make any difference one way or the other

[TitsMcGee]

Personally I believe we said fuck the monarchy when the Decleration of Independance was written, and signed by all the delegates. But thats just my .02 of the matter

[jynxxxedangel]

No comment, from the Loyalist.

[Scary Guy]

No comment, from the Loyalist.

There's a boat over there

[Rev.Reverence]

Personally I believe we said fuck the monarchy when the Decleration of Independance was written, and signed by all the delegates. But thats just my .02 of the matter

..I was checkin' OUR facts...(I held the same thoughts as you hold)...I checked 'cause I have google powers..had not had a refresher lately....& PChrome wanted referances to the hard facts ....SO.....though the D of I was a very susinct & formal fuck-you-very-much-note...we had already been at war for 2 years

G*D...I hate it when I prove my prior theories wrong....

By the time the Declaration of Independence was adopted in July 1776, the Thirteen Colonies and Great Britain had been at war for more than a year. Relations between the colonies and the mother country had been deteriorating since the end of the Seven Years' War in 1763. The war had plunged the British government deep into debt, and so Parliament enacted a series of measures to increase tax revenue from the colonies. Parliament believed that these acts, such as the Stamp Act of 1765 and the Townshend Acts of 1767, were a legitimate means of having the colonies pay their fair share of the costs to keep the colonies in the British Empire.[6]

Many colonists, however, had developed a different conception of the empire. Because the colonies were not directly represented in Parliament, colonists argued that Parliament had no right to levy taxes upon them. This tax dispute was part of a larger divergence between British and American interpretations of the British Constitution and the extent of Parliament's authority in the colonies.[7] The orthodox British view, dating from the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was that Parliament was the supreme authority throughout the empire, and so by definition anything Parliament did was constitutional.[8] In the colonies, however, the idea had developed that the British Constitution recognized certain fundamental rights that no government—not even Parliament—could violate.[9] After the Townshend Acts, some essayists even began to question whether Parliament had any legitimate jurisdiction in the colonies at all.[10] Anticipating the arrangement of the British Commonwealth,[11] by 1774 American writers such as Samuel Adams, James Wilson, and Thomas Jefferson were arguing that Parliament was the legislature of Great Britain only, and that the colonies, which had their own legislatures, were connected to the rest of the empire only through their allegiance to the Crown.[12]

Stuff that happened BEFORE the D of I...

September, 21, 1774– George Mason and George Washington found the Fairfax County Militia Association, a military unit independent of British control.

October, 21, 1774– The word "Liberty" is first displayed on a flag raised by colonists in Taunton, Massachusetts, in defiance of British rule in Colonial America.

Before the war, Boston had been the scene of much revolutionary activity, leading to the Massachusetts Government Act that ended home rule as a punishment in 1774.

Ah-Ha! I've got it!

On the night of April 18, 1775, General Gage sent 700 men to seize munitions stored by the colonial militia at Concord, Massachusetts. Riders including Paul Revere alerted the countryside, and when British troops entered Lexington on the morning of April 19, they found 77 minutemen formed up on the village green. Shots were exchanged, killing several minutemen. The British moved on to Concord, where a detachment of three companies was engaged and routed at the North Bridge by a force of 500 minutemen. As the British retreated back to Boston, thousands of militiamen attacked them along the roads, inflicting great damage before timely British reinforcements prevented a total disaster. With the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the war had begun.

........as I did not really want to get TOO into reading...ALL quoted text was lifted from Wikipedia...but I learn'ded it in the high school......that was fun.

[ttogreh]

I suppose for all practical purposes, we threw off the monarchy when the British empire could no longer continue to fight to keep us in the empire.

The treaty of Paris was really just paperwork.