Thinking about leaving

[Soulrev]

Here's my situation. I'm really thinking about leaving the country. I have a lot of issues going on right now and I know some people may look down on me for feeling like this.

I really think I want to run away. I'm on probation until December if I complete it successfully. I don't know. I'm just thinking about this and wanted to talk to someone about it and maybe get some advice or opinions.

If I were to leave the country, where would I go? Where should I go? What should I do? I mean let's face it the long arm of the law stretches really far and I could get in serious trouble if they caught me. Are there any countries I could move to and be safe from the US laws? are there any places where people like me can go live a normal life and never look back? Places that offer protection?

I wont' go into detail about why I want to do this. I just ask that you trust me when I say I have very good reasons for wanting to leave and start over. I know it sounds like I'm not being a man and doing what I have to do like a responsible man should do..

I just see it differently. I really don't care about the United States anymore. I am tired of always being told how I should live my life in accordance to some other person's views of how I should live my life. I just want to start all over. I've made a lot of mistakes in my past and what I once wanted in life I can never have again because of the decisions/mistakes I have made. So that being said, I really just want to forget about it all and move on with my life somewhere else.

I'm tired of this country. I've never left the US. I want to see the world. I want to do things most people never get to do. I want to really be free, I don't want to be tied down to any one place. I want to be able to travel at my own will and I want to do this now. I know I'm ready for a change.

I just want to know if my thinking is completely insane, or if I could really do this.

Any help or advice anyone could give me in this matter I would deeply appreciate.

I will talk more about details later, for now I could just use some answers to my questions. Like I said, where could I go, what should I do, and where should I start?

I dunno. This is just a thought that has been bothering my mind for a long time now and I want to know if I could really get away with this if I were really determined to. Thanks for listening guys.

-Brian

[StormKnight (1)]

Unfortunately, most of the cool and fun places to live that a lot of us would want to move to have extradition treaties with the United States. International flight punishment I would believe outweigh the benefit of leaving the country (possible years in jail vs. months on probation.)

I can't condone fleeing the nation while under probation. Neither will anyone else, especially those with control over you. If you want to leave the country, wait until you are off probation, then leave the country. I understand the requirements of probation are very draconian. But once you are done with probation, you should be free to do what you will. You do not want the extra federal punishment that goes with international flight.

All actions, whether they want to or not, have consequenses, regardless of where one lives. I don't believe you could pull it off, simply because that action will come back on you several fold. Fleeing is presumed to be admission of guilt, and as stated, those consequenses are much worse than seven months on probation.

If you want to leave the country, I would say serve out that probation so you can leave without the potential of being pulled back into the country to be even *more* restricted, and possibly serving time due to the fact you committed international flight.

[Rev.Reverence]

Unfortunately, most of the cool and fun places to live that a lot of us would want to move to have extradition treaties with the United States. International flight punishment I would believe outweigh the benefit of leaving the country (possible years in jail vs. months on probation.)

I can't condone fleeing the nation while under probation. Neither will anyone else, especially those with control over you. If you want to leave the country, wait until you are off probation, then leave the country. I understand the requirements of probation are very draconian. But once you are done with probation, you should be free to do what you will. You do not want the extra federal punishment that goes with international flight.

All actions, whether they want to or not, have consequenses, regardless of where one lives. I don't believe you could pull it off, simply because that action will come back on you several fold. Fleeing is presumed to be admission of guilt, and as stated, those consequenses are much worse than seven months on probation.

If you want to leave the country, I would say serve out that probation so you can leave without the potential of being pulled back into the country to be even *more* restricted, and possibly serving time due to the fact you committed international flight.

+1

That I think is a felony...it'll follow you FOR LIFE...like say you want to be a FreeMason...

NOPE.....want that kushy job where you all you ever do is count $ & take it to the bank...*BUZZZER* Wrong...they won't hire you...

It ain't that bad dude! Time passes...get a hobby...not handy like that? get a colouring book! Get dexterous.

PLUS...there is the moral obligation not to...you signed an agreement not to run did you not?

AND...the debt you owe to your society. (if you broke a law that was immoral or cruel in & of it's own...still, you got caught)....sit your lil' time out...& throw a grand party when you are done.

PEACE & WISDOM BE WITH YOU!

I pray you find the STRENGTH to ENDURE.

[jynxxxedangel]

Emigration is VERY difficult. Trust me, I know. Lots of paperwork. Good luck even getting on (or off) an airplane, without having your papers for Checkpoint Charlie.

Back in the days before everyone was freaked out about terrorism, it was simple to be a hobo. Not so much, anymore.

Unless you know someone with a private Leer jet, and a private landing strip abroad, good luck leaving stateside without detention.

[Rev.Reverence]

Emigration is VERY difficult. Trust me, I know. Lots of paperwork. Good luck even getting on (or off) an airplane, without having your papers for Checkpoint Charlie.

Back in the days before everyone was freaked out about terrorism, it was simple to be a hobo. Not so much, anymore.

Unless you know someone with a private Leer jet, and a private landing strip abroad, good luck leaving stateside without detention.

Oh, yeah...& that to...PAPERWORK!

[Homicidalheathen]

If you live in France for 5 yrs...you become a citizen. Then you get full medical and they will pay for college...if you can stick it out homeless until then...your set. It gets cold there. Jump a freighter.

[Soulrev]

Well I'm already a felon anyways lol. Yeah. Porter County Indiana made me a convicted felon because I had a heroin addiction. Wonderful huh?

[Homicidalheathen]

why not just finish up be good and stay here?

[Soulrev]

Honestly I just want to go live with my wife in Colorado. That is going to be her duty station as of may 21st and my probation officer is telling me I can't have it transferred to Colorado cuz I have less than a year left. The problem with that other than the fact that I am fuckin married and I have the basic right to live with my wife... Is the fact that she's in the army. She could be deployed before December. So by them not allowing me to transfer that could mean the difference between seeing my wife for the next few months, or I just might not see her for two fucking years say if she gets deployed for 18 months while I'm still stuck here in Indiana doing nothing with my life, by myself just cuz of probation. Wtf am I supposed to do?

I mean, her and I got married almost 2 years ago while I was still in the army. Due to circumstances we have never even lived together. It's always been apart or living with our parents. I just can't believe these assholes won't let me transfer. It's ridiculous.

[Soulrev]

So, I dunno. If I skipped out on my probation and went to Colorado anyway... Is there a statute of limitations for that? Like if I could manage to stay hidden away for 7 years they would have to drop the charges, right?

[Rev.Reverence]

Really...that's some heavy shit.....maybe you can go over this guy's head?

Talk to his boss! Find a job out there & talk to him again...somethin'...runnin' fer 7 years is not the way you want to go.

[Soulrev]

I know. But I'm willing to do whatever it takes to be with my wife. I'm just so upset and confused and I really need help. I don't want to be without her anymore. I can't take it.

[Onyx]

I know. But I'm willing to do whatever it takes to be with my wife. I'm just so upset and confused and I really need help. I don't want to be without her anymore. I can't take it.

My first impression of this whole thing is that you are being really selfish. You need to think about your wife and consider your future together.

What does she think about this?

You're so close to being finished with it.

Come on! A few months isn't that much for you to stick it out.

If you can't be a little patient, you could ruin both your lives. If it were me I would be completely pissed at you for doing that or even considering screwing with my life as well as yours. If you go ahead and finish it out, it could be you can find a way to leave the country and live elsewhere in a year or two.

[jynxxxedangel]

+100, Onyx.

As much as I love and MISS THE FUCK OUTTA my husband, I must deal with bureaucracy. Nobody knows how badly I feel like just leaving all my shit behind, screwing the visa and passport shit, hopping a slow boat, and getting over there, only to be with him.

Sadly, lawmakers, higher ups, and mucky-mucks DO NOT take the "human condition" into consideration, when making up all these silly rules.

[Homicidalheathen]

So, I dunno. If I skipped out on my probation and went to Colorado anyway... Is there a statute of limitations for that? Like if I could manage to stay hidden away for 7 years they would have to drop the charges, right?

Its doubtful they will come get you. But now if you leave the country I believe, it would be hard to re-enter. At least thats what I hear.

[TygerLili]

My first impression of this whole thing is that you are being really selfish. You need to think about your wife and consider your future together.

What does she think about this?

You're so close to being finished with it.

Come on! A few months isn't that much for you to stick it out.

If you can't be a little patient, you could ruin both your lives. If it were me I would be completely pissed at you for doing that or even considering screwing with my life as well as yours. If you go ahead and finish it out, it could be you can find a way to leave the country and live elsewhere in a year or two.

Totally agree.

Also, I apologize if this sounds harsh, but what good would you fleeing the country do you or your wife? You still wouldn't be together. Is she going to abandon all her responsibilities and flee the country with you? While that may seem romantic to you, in reality, it sounds like a really quick way to screw up your future and jeopardize your relationship. Assuming you could even get through the red tape to do it, you'd most likely end up homeless, broke, and blaming each other for your predicament.

[prick]

Here's my situation. I'm really thinking about leaving the country. I have a lot of issues going on right now and I know some people may look down on me for feeling like this.

I really think I want to run away. I'm on probation until December if I complete it successfully. I don't know. I'm just thinking about this and wanted to talk to someone about it and maybe get some advice or opinions.

If I were to leave the country, where would I go? Where should I go? What should I do? I mean let's face it the long arm of the law stretches really far and I could get in serious trouble if they caught me. Are there any countries I could move to and be safe from the US laws? are there any places where people like me can go live a normal life and never look back? Places that offer protection?

I wont' go into detail about why I want to do this. I just ask that you trust me when I say I have very good reasons for wanting to leave and start over. I know it sounds like I'm not being a man and doing what I have to do like a responsible man should do..

I just see it differently. I really don't care about the United States anymore. I am tired of always being told how I should live my life in accordance to some other person's views of how I should live my life. I just want to start all over. I've made a lot of mistakes in my past and what I once wanted in life I can never have again because of the decisions/mistakes I have made. So that being said, I really just want to forget about it all and move on with my life somewhere else.

I'm tired of this country. I've never left the US. I want to see the world. I want to do things most people never get to do. I want to really be free, I don't want to be tied down to any one place. I want to be able to travel at my own will and I want to do this now. I know I'm ready for a change.

I just want to know if my thinking is completely insane, or if I could really do this.

Any help or advice anyone could give me in this matter I would deeply appreciate.

I will talk more about details later, for now I could just use some answers to my questions. Like I said, where could I go, what should I do, and where should I start?

I dunno. This is just a thought that has been bothering my mind for a long time now and I want to know if I could really get away with this if I were really determined to. Thanks for listening guys.

-Brian

If they want you bad enough they can get you anywhere. Remember the suspect in the Bennet Ramsey case. They pulled that guy from Tailand and he was found innocent. i think its best to just deal with the probation. Stay clean and after your clean you can then move. Its better to know you can come back then never again. Im sure there are some friends or family you would miss. Also with a record you will find it hard to get citizenship anywhere. Without a home or job waiting for you you will find yourself in bigger trouble and that country would just send you back.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

If your probation is less then a year, then stick it out. Cuz their just dicks, most of the time. I had ONE DAY LEFT on my probation, and because I had to skip an appointment to go to a funeral...they tacked on another year and another $5000.00...fucking losers, honestly.

They can go fuck themselves, IMHO.

that being said...if your wife is miltary, and stationed there, I would petition the County/State Corrections Department, who handle Probation and such, about a transfer. As long as your good, and the probation isn't over a felony, and your previous felony is so many years old, it shouldn't be a problem. It might take a couple months...but just keep petiioning...every day....every week...send a formal letter....talk to a lawyer (if you remember your former court appointed lawyer, they usually help on cases they did).

Explain about your wife, and that she is due to be shipped out in December. Their burecrats, not monsters.

good luck

[jynxxxedangel]

I hope he can see his ol' lady again, before she goes away. *prays to a pantheon long forgotten*

[pomba gira]

Nothing against the basic idea of leaving the country for a fresh start. I'm considering it myself... just sent a resume to the International School in Kuwait. But I have to agree with StormKnight- anyplace you could have a fairly decent life is going to have extradition treaties with the U.S. Not to mention it may be difficult for you to even get a passport and/or enter another country with a criminal case current on the books.

Also, I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for... other western countries take better care of people, but do not have our belief that individual "freedom" should take precedence over the common good.

This is one of those short term vs. long term questions. A few months of chafing under your current restrictions- or years of constantly looking over your shoulder and always being careful to stay under the "official" radar? Auntie Hille sez stick it out. There is no way you can really get a fresh start with legal issues hanging over your head.

[candyman]

Well, I have never had any legal trouble but it seems that all my friends have. My friend Marlana has been in and out of jail for the last 8 years which really isn't that long but it will probably keep going. She got into the trouble with a few of her friends and one of them tried to do what you are talking about doing. He didn't get very far. I forget where he went exactly but it was only a year before they go him and now he is looking at a minimum of 30 years...but that is Wisonsin courts so I don't know what would apply here. Now Marlana has had to deal with alot of bullshit and has had alot of trouble with her PO but it looks like her efforts at making her life better here are paying off. She is really trying to show that she gives a shit and even though she has to live under the law for a while longer she is still doing well. I really don't know what your case is but she was using heroin which has been really hard for her to kick. I don't know you, but if she can do it then you can...

Hell, I have had no legal trouble and am going to college for automotive engineering and even I am having a bitch of a time making this work well for me! Life does not care if you made mistakes or not...it will screw you over no matter what you try to do to prevent it...all you can do is work with what life gives you.

[Soulrev]

Yeah I'm sorry I was a little intoxicated when I started this thread... Damn alcohol LOL. I talked to my probation officer today and he said to call Colorado springs and find out from them what I need to do on their side and he will push my paperwork through. So, I guess I'll get to transfer after all. I just need to finish these lame drug classes first.

I still think it's fucked up that they gave me a d felony for possession of heroin and they were EMPTY bags. Whatever. I'm glad that part of my life is over. I guess after my probation I can have it dropped to a misdemeanor (sp?). So I can get back in the army or get federal school loans and go to college to finish my degree.

[Homicidalheathen]

I am glad you hear your doing the right thing. I was worried you would do something stupid, hate to say.

Yeah I'm sorry I was a little intoxicated when I started this thread... Damn alcohol LOL. I talked to my probation officer today and he said to call Colorado springs and find out from them what I need to do on their side and he will push my paperwork through. So, I guess I'll get to transfer after all. I just need to finish these lame drug classes first.

I still think it's fucked up that they gave me a d felony for possession of heroin and they were EMPTY bags. Whatever. I'm glad that part of my life is over. I guess after my probation I can have it dropped to a misdemeanor (sp?). So I can get back in the army or get federal school loans and go to college to finish my degree.