Seriously....? How can peoples be so wrong?

[Rev.Reverence]

oK...apparently...someone did not check any FACTS...

From left to right:

I don't know the first guy...but I know Lincoln (not an atheist*see quote below)...I don't remember the next guy's name

Second line...Samuel Langhorne Clemens (Mason, not an atheist)...don't recognize the middle guy...Benjamin Franklin (Mason, not an atheist, though very Anti-Organized-Religion)

Bottom two...Albert Einstein (oh come on! "ADD UP" the quotes below).....& is that Charles Darwin? (that's a fun argument)

In April 1864, in justifying his actions in regard to Emancipation, Lincoln wrote, "I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me. Now, at the end of three years struggle the nation's condition is not what either party, or any man devised, or expected. God alone can claim it."

In 1929, Einstein told Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth."

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

Though reticent about his religious views, in 1879 he responded that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."

Yeah.....

[Destroit]

Well, for the record, whenever someone has thought they were being clever and pwning non-atheiests with ANY of those motivational posters the first thought that always comes to mind is: "okay...and that disproves...what?" Have yet to see a good/clever one, but that's just me.

[StormKnight (1)]

Just by passing look, and I could be wrong on a few:

From top left: first guy is unknown to me, Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan (astronomer.)

Second Row: Einstein, Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain,) Aristotle (I think,) Thomas Jefferson (at least it looks like him,) and Ben Franklin

[Rev.Reverence]

Just by passing look, and I could be wrong on a few:

From top left: first guy is unknown to me, Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan (astronomer.)

Second Row: Einstein, Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain,) Aristotle (I think,) Thomas Jefferson (at least it looks like him,) and Ben Franklin

Oh..it's Darwin

I can google images too ;) It's from this portrait.

Thanx for the Sagan... *looks it up*

Sagan is NOT an atheist either!

Personal life and beliefs

Sagan wrote frequently about religion and the relationship between religion and science, expressing his skepticism about the conventional conceptualization of God as a sapient being. Sagan once stated, for instance, that "The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by 'God' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying ... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."[29] Sagan is also widely regarded as a freethinker or skeptic; one of his most famous quotations, in Cosmos, was, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." (This was actually based on a nearly identical earlier quote by fellow CSICOP founder Marcello Truzzi, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."[30]) The quote is also known, under different wording, as the principle of Laplace—attributed to Pierre-Simon Marquis de Laplace (1749-1827), a French mathematician and astronomer: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."[citation needed] Sagan was, however, not an atheist, expressing that, "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know."[31] In reply to a direct question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan gave a direct answer: "I'm agnostic."[32] Sagan argued that the idea of a Creator of the Universe was difficult to prove or disprove and that the only conceivable scientific discovery that could challenge it would be an infinitely old universe.[33]

[Rev.Reverence]

Oh, yeah...yeah..it was Jefferson & he wasn't an atheist either...quite possible he was a Mason...I looked it up...

[Oh_My_Goth]

*serious face*

I don't really know what to say to that...

[StormKnight (1)]

Which just leaves us with the guy in the upper left. I have no clue myself.

[Rev.Reverence]

Which just leaves us with the guy in the upper left. I have no clue myself.

Yeah!

...& not 1 atheist amongst them yet.

[Scary Guy]

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07...onal_poster.php

I also want to say the upper left looks kind of like George Lucas?

Some guy said Hemingway so I'm going with that.

Get started.

Edited May 19, 2009 by Scary Guy

[Rev.Reverence]

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07...onal_poster.php

I also want to say the upper left looks kind of like George Lucas?

Some guy said Hemingway so I'm going with that.

I thought George Lucas too, but upon lookin' at a pic of him, I was sure it was not him.

YEAAY! Whoever said it was Hemingway probably read that shit...

<--Hemingway

Totally not an atheist. ^

Spanish Civil War

In 1936, Hemingway traveled to Spain in order to report on the Spanish Civil War for the North American Newspaper Alliance. While there, Hemingway broke his friendship with John Dos Passos because, despite warnings, Dos Passos continued to report on the atrocities of not only the fascist Nationalists whom Hemingway disliked, but also those of the elected and radicalized left-leaning Republicans whom he favored; characteristically, Hemingway spread a story that Dos Passos had fled Spain out of cowardice.[19][20] In this context Hemingway's colleague and associate Herbert Matthews, who would become more well known for his favorable reports on Fidel Castro, showed a similar predilection for the Republican side as Hemingway. Hemingway, who was a convert to Catholicism during his marriage to his wife Pauline, began to question his religion at this time, eventually leaving the church (though friends indicate that he had "funny ties" to Catholicism for the rest of his life). The war also strained Hemingway's marriage. Pauline Pfieffer was a devout Catholic and, as such, sided with the fascist, pro-Catholic regime of Franco, whereas Hemingway mostly supported the Republican government, for all his criticisms of it. During this time, Hemingway wrote a little known essay, The Denunciation, which would not be published until 1969 within a collection of stories, the Fifth Column and Four Stories of the Spanish Civil War. The story seems autobiographical, suggesting that Hemingway might have been an informant for the Republic as well as a weapons instructor during the war.[20]

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Seems atheists try real hard to paint anyone who ever had a crisis of faith or didn't like organized religion as atheists.

[Rev.Reverence]

Seems atheists try real hard to paint anyone who ever had a crisis of faith or didn't like organized religion as atheists.

That's what I'm gettin' too!

[Head Wreck]

when i saw einstein in that pic i new it was wrong. einstien was a famous christian

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

You mean Jew?

[Oh_My_Goth]

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07...onal_poster.php

I also want to say the upper left looks kind of like George Lucas?

Some guy said Hemingway so I'm going with that.

target="_blank

Get started.

Ok.. So I do not believe in a "God".. As an individual being...

The definition on the one video insinuates that I must be an Atheist... & I am assuredly not ..

[the eternal]

I love that this has become the g-d corner of the board.

Here's the thing: many intellectuals are indeed atheist, but why round up all the agnostics and questioning ones to do it.

In fact why do it at all?

I've never heard the argument that atheists are stupid.

Many things have been said, but stupid is not one of them.

This poster smacks of misplaced defensiveness.

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I will say that there are stigmas applied to those who don't believe in a higher power.

Not as much in intellectual circles, which makes this poster so silly, but in a broad array of other occupational settings and social circles.

I believe in the holy one, but I also wish that there was a better separation of church and state and a respect for those that don't believe.

(I know it's weird to say here in opposite world, where everyone seems to be an atheist, gay-loving, tax-hating libertarian pagan--It's such a weird group here)

When you look at at our national consciousness,

it becomes clear to me that it is more likely in my time

that we will have a Black Lesbian Midget Christian be President of the United States

than an atheist white male.

Just my .02

[Oh_My_Goth]

I love that this has become the g-d corner of the board.

Here's the thing: many intellectuals are indeed atheist, but why round up all the agnostics and questioning ones to do it.

In fact why do it at all?

I've never heard the argument that atheists are stupid.

Many things have been said, but stupid is not one of them.

This poster smacks of misplaced defensiveness.

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I will say that there are stigmas applied to those who don't believe in a higher power.

Not as much in intellectual circles, which makes this poster so silly, but in a broad array of other occupational settings and social circles.

I believe in the holy one, but I also wish that there was a better separation of church and state and a respect for those that don't believe.

(I know it's weird to say here in opposite world, where everyone seems to be an atheist, gay-loving, tax-hating libertarian pagan--It's such a weird group here)

When you look at at our national consciousness,

it becomes clear to me that it is more likely in my time

that we will have a Black Lesbian Midget Christian be President of the United States

than an atheist white male.

Just my .02

Yep, I have found that more Atheists feel the need to defend the fact they have no God.. More often than I get hit up by the Jehovah's Witnesses {which is allot.. I take the bus}

& Yeah.. I have never personally heard anyone call an Atheist 'stupid'.. I have heard the word 'ignorant' tosses around, but those two words are completely different...

[Invictus]

The first thing I thought when I saw that image was "appeal to authority fallacy", but apparently whoever created the image didn't quite do their homework. So, never mind I guess.

[Rev.Reverence]

You mean Jew?

He's descended from Jews...like my German fam from the same period...non-practicing.

The Einsteins, while of Jewish ancestry, were not observant of Jewish religious practices, and Albert attended a Catholic elementary school. Although Einstein had early speech difficulties, he was a top student in elementary school.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Didn't know his parents were not practicing. I did know he went to a Cathoilic school though.

[Slogo]

However, we must remember most of these men WERE against ORGANIZED religion

Edited May 20, 2009 by Slogo

[Rev.Reverence]

However, we must remember most of these men WERE against ORGANIZED religion

So what...that does NOT an atheist make...

...I noted the fallacy on the poster because of the fact that I hold quite similar views as several of those dudes...

They were very Spiritual dudes...even if they would not follow the rules of some dude in a silly hat (even though many of them wore silly hat's...not as silly as the pope's)

..the atheists are tryin' to steal all the fence perches...& that's some bullshit...

.....case in point..SG's video link up there...they are trying to claim Thomas Edison (a Mason) as an atheist!

BULLSHIT! I'm sure there are plenty (if not several) staunch atheists of note...they probably even say so!

[Scary Guy]

Hey if Atheists want to claim anyone and everyone who's ever uttered a questioning remark against the church or any godlike figure then that's great. We're growing in numbers but are still a very small minority.

"People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first." - David Comins

[Rev.Reverence]

Hey if Atheists want to claim anyone and everyone who's ever uttered a questioning remark against the church or any godlike figure then that's great. We're growing in numbers but are still a very small minority.

"People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first." - David Comins

...no...it's lying...

Edited May 20, 2009 by Rev.Reverence

[Slogo]

...no...it's lying...

Tru dat yo!