They did it again!

[ttogreh]

Carpet bombing from the edges of space really make standing armies and artillery pieces irrelevant.

North Korea doesn't have a large army, it has a smoking crater in potentia.

I'm telling you, blue jeans.

[Simon Bar Sinister]

Let 'em have their nukes. They're the most unusable weapons ever.

[Rev.Reverence]

Carpet bombing from the edges of space really make standing armies and artillery pieces irrelevant.

North Korea doesn't have a large army, it has a smoking crater in potentia.

I'm telling you, blue jeans.

Can we just like, drop them in from space?

...& I think I like this idea better than my own even...

...can I add: Elvis & The Beatles as well?

.....seems to have softened up the U.S.S.R. back in the cold war days...lookin' back..te black market probably helped as much or more than anything, to stop the cold war...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Carpet bombing from the edges of space really make standing armies and artillery pieces irrelevant.

North Korea doesn't have a large army, it has a smoking crater in potentia.

I'm telling you, blue jeans.

Carpet bombing? Are you kidding? What a waste of ordinance and would only really serve to make us loose any international support we had. Carpet bombing creates far too much collateral damage.

Guided missile precision strikes at key communication, defense and HQ targets combined with many MOABS along their southern border would be the best route. It would take precision and timing or South Korea is a wasteland.

[ttogreh]

I certainly do not expect the United States military to carpet bomb North Korea, but I recognize that it can do such a thing. The point being, even if North Korea were to attack the South with everything they have, their utter defeat is a foregone conclusion.

All the North has is the threat of an utter humanitarian catastrophe if its demands are not met. It's the equivalent of a toddler threatening to hold its breath until it passes out.

[jynxxxedangel]

I still like my idea, best.

Where's Dr. Goldfoot and his mad inventions, when we need him?

You guys are getting all bent, some semi-serious comedic relief is needed here.

[Rev.Reverence]

I still like my idea, best.

Where's Dr. Goldfoot and his mad inventions, when we need him?

You guys are getting all bent, some semi-serious comedic relief is needed here.

Can she be put in blue jeans?

[Scary Guy]

I still like my idea, best.

Where's Dr. Goldfoot and his mad inventions, when we need him?

You guys are getting all bent, some semi-serious comedic relief is needed here.

Serious topics require serious discussions. Though I did like the movie, now is not the time nor is it the place. Just another distraction of "oh here's something funny to derail the topic train" "what were we talking about again?". Then it eventually gets moved to sex and sexuality for talking about women in bikinis. So thanks for gumming up the works.

Not that anything we discuss here really has any baring on anything anyway unless it relates to the local goth/industrial scene, and even then not really.

[Reaper]

Isn't a whole lot we can do except put more pressure on China since it seems that N. Korea gets a lot of its supplies from China. Have China cut them off and lets see how long those 7 million reserves can live. From what I hear, the main reason China isn't doing anything about it is because they are long time allies as well as China doing well and not needing to put up a war.

If N. Korea threatens harm to China, I am sure the international community will back China up and show N. Korea that is has no choice but to back down.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Reaper

[Tacohitts]

If you really want to devastate a country (theory)create a tidal wave with a nuke,or very powerful non nuke bomb.

A Bomb That Triggers A Tidal Wave

The idea of a bomb that triggers a tidal wave is not as outlandish as it may first appear. Towards the end of WWII a top-secret project was underway in the waters off the coast of New Zealand to perfect just such a weapon. Project Seal as it was known was a secret weapon developed under the auspices of British and American defence chiefs who considered it as important as the atomic bomb.

Prof Thomas Leech, dean of engineering at Auckland University, conducted the experiments in the sea off Auckland on the so-called Tsunami bomb; in recognition he was awarded the CBE in 1947. The existence of the weapon was only disclosed in 1999 when New Zealand’s Foreign Ministry released declassified documents. According to the papers British and American defence chiefs were keen to see the development of the weapon, which would be exploded near enemy territory with the intention of creating devastating tidal waves (9). It doesn’t take a genius to realise that if the bomb were to carry a nuclear charge it would inundate such low lying countries as Holland and southern England. Significantly the Russians are also said to have developed such a weapon. - the TruthSeeker, 10/22/04

this has been looked into in the past several times.oh what damage this would do.

[Scary Guy]

If you really want to devastate a country (theory)create a tidal wave with a nuke,or very powerful non nuke bomb.

A Bomb That Triggers A Tidal Wave

The idea of a bomb that triggers a tidal wave is not as outlandish as it may first appear. Towards the end of WWII a top-secret project was underway in the waters off the coast of New Zealand to perfect just such a weapon. Project Seal as it was known was a secret weapon developed under the auspices of British and American defence chiefs who considered it as important as the atomic bomb.

Prof Thomas Leech, dean of engineering at Auckland University, conducted the experiments in the sea off Auckland on the so-called Tsunami bomb; in recognition he was awarded the CBE in 1947. The existence of the weapon was only disclosed in 1999 when New Zealand’s Foreign Ministry released declassified documents. According to the papers British and American defence chiefs were keen to see the development of the weapon, which would be exploded near enemy territory with the intention of creating devastating tidal waves (9). It doesn’t take a genius to realise that if the bomb were to carry a nuclear charge it would inundate such low lying countries as Holland and southern England. Significantly the Russians are also said to have developed such a weapon. - the TruthSeeker, 10/22/04

this has been looked into in the past several times.oh what damage this would do.

The Tzar bomb is superior http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

[prick]

And yet were so concerned about Iraq. I knew this was a bigger threat.

[Scary Guy]

And yet were so concerned about Iraq. I knew this was a bigger threat.

US interests are more important and N. Korea doesn't have as much oil. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_...-oil-production

[prick]

US interests are more important and N. Korea doesn't have as much oil. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_...-oil-production

Well of course this is the true reason. Has nothing to do with threats of terrorism.

[candyman]

US interests are more important and N. Korea doesn't have as much oil. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_...-oil-production

It is good that N. Korea doesn't have oil fields...it would be one more country where the government pulls in billions from the sale of the oil and gives nothing to their people...but I am probably pulling that idea out of my ass because there obviously were or are no countries where 5% of the people get the riches and they let the other 95% fight each other in horrible living conditions while the government/religion seeks to make shit worse...lies!

Hey...idea here...how about everyone comes to the agreement that N. Korea, Iraq, Sudan, and various other countries in distress are probably just really fucked up? It seems like these people get some sympathy votes when they really deserve nothing. Sure, the US has some problems and such but it is not nearly as fucked up as some of these other countries. Maybe, just maybe these other governments really do suck!

Look, this world is smaller than it has ever been. It is time to stop fucking around...we need to set shit straight. It is our job to help these other countries because they are closer to us that we think. When I say out job I do not mean the US...I mean every damn country where people can wipe their asses with 2-ply and not feel bad about wasting money! I don't care what government style they adopt...I don't care what damn religion they follow...I don't care if they buy cars that we make or not...I just want these people to have the same chances and benefits that I am able to have. Yes, it probably will take some military action but it is better to fight for something and gain it or at least die trying than it is to sit back and watch it all fall apart. I am sick of people sending food in bags and a bunch of shitty doctors with band-aids and cold medicine to these other countries where they believe something good will happen...it doesn't work that way in the real world.

[Slogo]

Carpet bombing? Are you kidding? What a waste of ordinance and would only really serve to make us loose any international support we had. Carpet bombing creates far too much collateral damage.

Guided missile precision strikes at key communication, defense and HQ targets combined with many MOABS along their southern border would be the best route. It would take precision and timing or South Korea is a wasteland.

But let's not forget the one thing China has that N. Korea doesn't. And it may be the most important thing.

Food. If the Chinese wanted they could halt all food shipments into N. Korea and starve them into defeat.

To quote Napoleon "An army marches on its stomach."

[prick]

But let's not forget the one thing China has that N. Korea doesn't. And it may be the most important thing.

Food. If the Chinese wanted they could halt all food shipments into N. Korea and starve them into defeat.

To quote Napoleon "An army marches on its stomach."

That is a good point. Remember when N. Korea's fearless leader told people to eat grass? He actually claimed it had nutritional value. Fact is they were starving because he decided they could live shut of from the rest of the world. People still starved and now theres no grass. Thats a big reason why so many world conquers took over poland. Need to feed your armies.

Edited May 27, 2009 by prick

[Scary Guy]

candyman reminded me of a quote

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” — Edmund Burke

But first, show me some good men. We are capitalists and we don't do a damn thing unless there is money in it for us (or good PR, which can lead to money).

Our government has become evil and corrupt because most men are evil and corrupt or become that way over time even if they started out with the best of intentions. Leaders shouldn't have agendas, they should just lead trying to follow the will of the people.

What really needs to be done is a list of governments made on a scale from evil to good and have everyone just work down the list and reform them. But who or what decides what makes a government evil. Suffering of it's people, actions of the leaders, something else, a combination of everything? Whatever it is shouldn't be based on any holy books because that means someone somewhere hates you and thinks your evil for believing that way. It should be based on the basic human rights of everyone.

I wish N. Korea would get over itself. If the people are so unhappy they should overthrow the government. However they aren't doing that so I wonder how miserable the people really are.

[ttogreh]

The problem with the people overthrowing the government is that the ones that could do that, the military, are being fed. "The People", the unarmed peasants, are sadly just surplus population with no way to rebel. Civil disobedience won't work, because the infrastructure of the state is so well organized that things would get done even if the peasants refused to be part of any huge human signage demonstration.

No, the only way to help the people rebel is to actually help the people live. If the South were able to actually buy and sell goods directly to "The People" and employ "The People", maybe enough of them would be capable of exerting their own sovereign will on their own lives.

Remember Poland's solidarity? Poland freed itself because the workers actually had a revolution. That's right, communism was defeated in Poland by actual communists.

Blue Jeans, Elvis, and Vincent Price wearing a golden bikini, yo.

[candyman]

candyman reminded me of a quote

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” — Edmund Burke

But first, show me some good men. We are capitalists and we don't do a damn thing unless there is money in it for us (or good PR, which can lead to money).

Our government has become evil and corrupt because most men are evil and corrupt or become that way over time even if they started out with the best of intentions. Leaders shouldn't have agendas, they should just lead trying to follow the will of the people.

What really needs to be done is a list of governments made on a scale from evil to good and have everyone just work down the list and reform them. But who or what decides what makes a government evil. Suffering of it's people, actions of the leaders, something else, a combination of everything? Whatever it is shouldn't be based on any holy books because that means someone somewhere hates you and thinks your evil for believing that way. It should be based on the basic human rights of everyone.

I wish N. Korea would get over itself. If the people are so unhappy they should overthrow the government. However they aren't doing that so I wonder how miserable the people really are.

Our government, and every other government, has never been and will never be perfect.

Actually, I believe we are placing blame on the wrong things. Firstly, greed and evil do not only exist and prosper in a Capitalist setting. They may be easier to SEE in a Capitalist setting...but so are lazy assholes that we somehow pity most of the time unless a news broadcast highlights them. Greed and evil are everywhere and in everything so don't get any ideas that if we change things that they will go away...they will either be hidden or will be considered "OK" for certain reasons.

Why are we hated so much? Well, I saw a quote once that said "A road paved with good intentions often leads to hell"...and I find that very true. Many government actions are based on "good information" given by certian organized groups that advise the government. Consider prohibition...they had the good intentions of getting rid of the ill effects of alcohol but they went too far by banning it completely...that has now led to a society where alcohol, no matter what it causes, is considered untouchable...bad, very bad move. We are trying to help but there is no guide book on how to do it the right way so there will always be something going wrong.

As far as I know there have been no recent actions on the part of our government that were based completely on a holy book...most were based on what people consider "human rights" but were really ideas being forced on people for their own good. What about all the countries in the Middle East that have a government that is almost completely based on holy books? Is that fine? Are those people happy? Have the common people been shot, gassed, tortured (i mean REAL torture), or beaten for trying to improve their lives? Where is the outcry for these countries? They are by FAR in more trouble than we are in...we have a long way to go before we feel what they feel.

Overthrowing a government is not very simple. Yes, it technically has been done in some countries but they really didn't get anything out of it...kinda like jumping out of one frying pan into another, just with different seasonings. It takes alot to overthrown a government and even though it sucks right now it is neither the place nor the time for such an action...we are not yet ready.

[Scary Guy]

It takes alot to overthrown a government and even though it sucks right now it is neither the place nor the time for such an action...we are not yet ready.

Didn't stop us from trying in Iraq.

Actually we're very good at overthrowing governments or at least bringing them onto our side. First through blackmail, then killing off their leaders, and as a last resort a use of force.

[candyman]

Didn't stop us from trying in Iraq.

Actually we're very good at overthrowing governments or at least bringing them onto our side. First through blackmail, then killing off their leaders, and as a last resort a use of force.

I wouldn't really call what they had a government. First, they used all the things that you say we did like blackmail, killings (mass killings along with severe torture and beheadings), and use of force on a LARGE scale...all that to keep the people and other party members on track. Second, what they could not do at the time was taken care of by political/religious leaders and their small bands of minions...using their holy teachings to keep the people in line. Honestly, it seems VERY efficient if you have to give them credit for anything.

I think I will take the lesser of two evils...death cannot be avoided and although the loss of innocent life is a terrible thing it is best to keep it at a low level, striving to gain at least some freedoms.

[Scary Guy]

I think I will take the lesser of two evils...death cannot be avoided and although the loss of innocent life is a terrible thing it is best to keep it at a low level, striving to gain at least some freedoms.

Maybe for you that's acceptable, however if like me you don't believe in an afterlife then every life lost is a tragedy. Maybe dying for a cause means more at that point because rather than just throwing a shell away you're throwing yourself away, completely. But knowing that would you be so willing to run into battle especially if it was your neck on the line?

[Rev.Reverence]

But let's not forget the one thing China has that N. Korea doesn't. And it may be the most important thing.

Food. If the Chinese wanted they could halt all food shipments into N. Korea and starve them into defeat.

To quote Napoleon, quoting Sun Tzu from Art Of War "An army marches on its stomach."

Yup...had to fix it...

[candyman]

Maybe for you that's acceptable, however if like me you don't believe in an afterlife then every life lost is a tragedy. Maybe dying for a cause means more at that point because rather than just throwing a shell away you're throwing yourself away, completely. But knowing that would you be so willing to run into battle especially if it was your neck on the line?

I would always be willing to put my neck on the line because my neck is not the only one on the line nor do I consider it the most important one. I never said that a life lost isn't a tragedy...but afterlife or not choice is rarely an option when it comes to death...religious or not.

So...what? I die and am supposed to be worried about...what? I have much more important things to think about than how precious my own ass is or how much death will suck.