pyramids

[Homicidalheathen]

http://www.cahokiamounds.com/

quote from someone's travel log:

Great Travel Moment

While reading a book, I came across a story about“The Pyramids of Illinois.” I was not aware of any pyramids in the United States. This prompted me to go online and find as much information as I could. The pyramid is called the Cahokia Pyramid or Mounds. The pyramid is located in Collinsville, IL. I concluded this would be my next adventure. Arriving on site, I discovered this property to be hosted by a Center. The Center offers escorted tours or you can tour on your own, with a map of the area. I decided to go it on my own. As I walked toward a ten story pyramid, with three levels, I became exhilarated. The pyramid was made by the American Indians, some 15 hundred years ago. Imagine, Columbus wasn't even born. After arriving at the base of the pyramid, there are 150 steps to the top. The top of the pyramid is leveled; this is where the King's Temples were built. The knowledge that pyramids were built in the United States is amazing. This reality will remain with me.

http://www.crystalinks.com/pyrnorthamerica.html

[Rev.Reverence]

History Channel had a show about this...amazing! I wanna' go sometime.

[Msterbeau]

Fascinating.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Nifty...

[Homicidalheathen]

I am going this summer with a few peeps...we have room for one more if anyone is interested, we will be camping and doing a ceremony thou

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

There are Mounds in Michigan. In fact, there are some about 3 miles into the woods behind my old house up there. They were built by the Forrest People. Some of the earliest people on this continent and no one has figured out what the mounds were for.

[Rev.Reverence]

There are Mounds in Michigan. In fact, there are some about 3 miles into the woods behind my old house up there. They were built by the Forrest People. Some of the earliest people on this continent and no one has figured out what the mounds were for.

Maybe just to stay dry when the thaw hits? (You know how the ground gets in the Mich.)

That's one possability I thought of...but most anthropologists would probably think they were trying to be closer to the sky..I kinda' doubt it...the early Religious precept they were following at the time was Spiritist Shamanism...in which The Spirit pervades everything...thus the sky was no more important than any other piece of the world.

...it COULD be for both reasons though.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Maybe just to stay dry when the thaw hits? (You know how the ground gets in the Mich.)

That's one possability I thought of...but most anthropologists would probably think they were trying to be closer to the sky..I kinda' doubt it...the early Religious precept they were following at the time was Spiritist Shamanism...in which The Spirit pervades everything...thus the sky was no more important than any other piece of the world.

...it COULD be for both reasons though.

You have no way of knowing that. The mounds in Northern Michigan do not fit into any of the known patterns. They are somewhere between 2000 and 3000 years old. Built by a people with no written language. Who's culture was nothing like any of the cultures that were here when white man arrived. We really don't know squat about these people or what they beleived. We do know that they had mostly a uniform religous beleif through out North America from the Mississippi Valley east. Thats it.

We actually know more about the oldest of the mounds and who built them (about 5000 years ago) than we do about the people and the mounds built 2000-3000 years ago.

Oh! We do know they did brain surgery.

[Rev.Reverence]

You have no way of knowing that. The mounds in Northern Michigan do not fit into any of the known patterns. They are somewhere between 2000 and 3000 years old. Built by a people with no written language. Who's culture was nothing like any of the cultures that were here when white man arrived. We really don't know squat about these people or what they beleived. We do know that they had mostly a uniform religous beleif through out North America from the Mississippi Valley east. Thats it.

We actually know more about the oldest of the mounds and who built them (about 5000 years ago) than we do about the people and the mounds built 2000-3000 years ago.

Oh! We do know they did brain surgery.

Yes, we DO have a small understanding of their Spiritual practices...out here in the "lunatic fringe" it is quite accepted that there WAS once ONE RELIGION...& "Native Shamanism" is the dang-darn closest thing to it that survived...but ALL Religions are built upon it.

...& I really do think that they built it to stay dry.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Well, we will have to agree to dis-agree. There is no scientific proof of what they beleived. If there were some artifacts or cave paintings... anything really that told what they beleived, I would have more trust in your Faith. Thats what it is, Faith. It's not a type of Faith that I have.

Which one was built to stay dry? The ones in Northern Michigan? I think you need to see them. It's just under 200 grave shaped shallow holes int he ground with a mound on the east side of it. To the north of that is a large "dish" with no sign of where the dirt went. North and east of that is the main circle. It;s about 150 feet across. It has a 6 foor deep trench around it. The inner side of the circle is raised into a mound about 5 feet wide and the top and 10 feet wide at the bottom. The floor of the circle is about 1 feet higher than the ground outside the circle The South eastern side has a wall built around the far outside rim to create teh trench. The whole thing is ont he side of a hill that rises steeply to the north west.

No artifacts have ever been found there. No bones or refuse piles. No remants of life. Not one single stone tool.

[Rev.Reverence]

Well, we will have to agree to dis-agree. There is no scientific proof of what they beleived. If there were some artifacts or cave paintings... anything really that told what they beleived, I would have more trust in your Faith. Thats what it is, Faith. It's not a type of Faith that I have.

Which one was built to stay dry? The ones in Northern Michigan? I think you need to see them. It's just under 200 grave shaped shallow holes int he ground with a mound on the east side of it. To the north of that is a large "dish" with no sign of where the dirt went. North and east of that is the main circle. It;s about 150 feet across. It has a 6 foor deep trench around it. The inner side of the circle is raised into a mound about 5 feet wide and the top and 10 feet wide at the bottom. The floor of the circle is about 1 feet higher than the ground outside the circle The South eastern side has a wall built around the far outside rim to create teh trench. The whole thing is ont he side of a hill that rises steeply to the north west.

No artifacts have ever been found there. No bones or refuse piles. No remants of life. Not one single stone tool.

True. No science..but plenty pointers along the road.

Oh..I did not know of this thing..sounds intriguing...no nothings..that's WEIRD.

So they don't even know if they were Clovis-peoples or not?

..& no..it don't fit my "dryness theory"...

Those other ones though...they were dry spots in a flood basin.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Rev.Reverence

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

They beleive it was the Hopewell culture. Not really sure though.

There arn't many web pages out there that mention them If you can find the book Weird Michigan there is an artical about them. Most of it's bullshit but the author did spend some time mapping the mounds out really well.

Wanna go there? If you are ever up there camping, near Lake City, I will tell you how to get to them.

[Rev.Reverence]

They beleive it was the Hopewell culture. Not really sure though.

There arn't many web pages out there that mention them If you can find the book Weird Michigan there is an artical about them. Most of it's bullshit but the author did spend some time mapping the mounds out really well.

Wanna go there? If you are ever up there camping, near Lake City, I will tell you how to get to them.

U.P. or just far north?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OK, this is the one pic I have that you can kinda see the trench in. The place is big and very over grown. As dark as that pic is... it was about 3 in the afternoon. Very heavy canopy.

Missaukee County. About half way between Lake City and Houghton Lake along 55. The mounds are actually a few miles south of 55. If you ever go, lemme know and I will give you my phone number. I'll guide you in.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Gaf The Horse With Tears