Southern Pride

[Rev.Reverence]

See here, I was afraid you were referring to his earlier years...when he was a Loyal Subject...before he saw the error of the Caste System, & Apartheid...that's pretty brutal...the BIG problem with these links, is that they stop giving DATES to events before 1910....so they are biased in a negative manner...as he saw a wrong, he did ALL he could to right it.

This here, is the same logic that the Atheists try to use to steal Anti-Church speaker who mean to have men find G*D according to their Will instead of the Pope's Way...(fuck the pope, Lord Have Mercy!)

This is one sided, just as the 'Ghandi-backers'...to ignore one part of a story is still a lie.

ALSO, Ghandi was not a Fighting-Soldier..he organized the Medic-Corps...(Violence in self-defense, criminal law, and war are accepted by Hindus and Jains.) (Sorry, dude...that's just how the Hindi work it.)

Excerpt from the speech Ghandi handed in at the "Great Trial Of 1922"

My public life began in 1893 in South Africa in troubled weather. My first contact with British authority in that country was not of a happy character. I discovered that as a man and an Indian, I had no rights. More correctly I discovered that I had no rights as a man because I was an Indian.

But I was not baffled. I thought that this treatment of Indians was an excrescence upon a system that was intrinsically and mainly good. I gave the Government my voluntary and hearty co-operation, criticizing it freely where I felt it was faulty but never wishing its destruction.

Consequently when the existence of the Empire was threatened in 1899 by the Boer challenge, I offered my services to it, raised a volunteer ambulance corps and served at several actions that took place for the relief of Ladysmith. Similarly in 1906, at the time of the Zulu ‘revolt’, I raised a stretcher bearer party and served till the end of the ‘rebellion’. On both the occasions I received medals and was even mentioned in dispatches. For my work in South Africa I was given by Lord Hardinge a Kaisar-i-Hind gold medal. When the war broke out in 1914 between England and Germany, I raised a volunteer ambulance cars in London, consisting of the then resident Indians in London, chiefly students. Its work was acknowledge by the authorities to be valuable. Lastly, in India when a special appeal was made at the war Conference in Delhi in 1918 by Lord Chelmsford for recruits, I struggled at the cost of my health to raise a corps in Kheda, and the response was being made when the hostilities ceased and orders were received that no more recruits were wanted. In all these efforts at service, I was actuated by the belief that it was possible by such services to gain a status of full equality in the Empire for my countrymen.

In 1932, Gandhi began new civil-disobedience campaigns against the British. Arrested twice, the Mahatma fasted for long periods several times; these fasts were effective measures against the British, because revolution might well have broken out in India if he had died. In September 1932, while in jail, Gandhi undertook a “fast unto death” to improve the status of the Hindu Untouchables. The British, by permitting the Untouchables to be considered as a separate part of the Indian electorate, were, according to Gandhi, countenancing an injustice. Although he was himself a member of the Vaisya (merchant) caste, Gandhi was the great leader of the movement in India dedicated to eradicating the unjust social and economic aspects of the caste system.

In 1934 Gandhi formally resigned from politics, being replaced as leader of the Congress Party by Jawaharlal Nehru. Gandhi traveled through India, teaching ahimsa and demanding eradication of “untouchability.” The esteem in which he was held was the measure of his political power. So great was this power that the limited home rule granted by the British in 1935 could not be implemented until Gandhi approved it. A few years later, in 1939, he again returned to active political life because of the pending federation of Indian principalities with the rest of India. His first act was a fast, designed to force the ruler of the state of Rājkot to modify his autocratic rule. Public unrest caused by the fast was so great that the colonial government intervened; the demands were granted. The Mahatma again became the most important political figure in India.

Sounds like he was NOT for the Caste System, don't it?

SO...no retraction...I wait till a man is DEAD to see what he did with his life...these articles you bring (really the same article twice) are BULLSHIT...plain & simple.

But thanx..I now KNOW I was right, with no shadow...no doubt..& certainly no delusion...Ghandi is a far greater force than I had previously realized.

[Scary Guy]

SO...no retraction...I wait till a man is DEAD to see what he did with his life...these articles you bring (really the same article twice) are BULLSHIT...plain & simple.

But thanx..I now KNOW I was right, with no shadow...no doubt..& certainly no delusion...Ghandi is a far greater force than I had previously realized.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=21406

Again are you lazy? This took me two seconds in google.

[Soulrev]

"There are only two things I hate in this world. People, who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch"

No? Den dere ish no pleashing you.

[Rev.Reverence]

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=21406

Again are you lazy? This took me two seconds in google.

So what..don't make me lazy 'cause I couldn't find somethin' on the web...did you even ever read about the LAST half of the dude's life? If so, why don't you see he changed his ways?

Yeah, dude...they didn't really say anything new...there's a point where he quits the caste system...they leave that out..but hey...you like the shock value right? I mean..Ghandi is a racist...oOo...how about a bit of honesty here...Ghandi WAS a racist, changed his ways, & fought against the caste system...like I said..it's some busted ass logic that does not acount for the only constant...CHANGE.

[Scary Guy]

how about a bit of honesty here...Ghandi WAS a racist

Wow, Gandhi was a racist.

I love how you read into that. I said he did some good things, but yeah totally racist in his EARLY years.

Mother Teresa (not even her real name, it's Agnes) was full of shit too as is the Dalai Lama (same episode). The only difference is they didn't change their ways.

Also it's not about the shock, it's about the TRUTH.

Edited June 5, 2009 by Scary Guy

[Head Wreck]

Do you even realize how many bigoted things you are saying while bitching about bigotry?

But on topic... people seem to have pride in being from were ever it is they live. Some how people that live in large citys think it's OK to make bigoted comments about people who dont live in large citys. I have seen many say they wish all the country folk would just die or go away. Where exactly are the city folk going to get thier food if their are no country folk? Someone has to pick the cotton.

It's all wrong, no matter who it comes from.

Hear hear

[Rev.Reverence]

I love how you read into that. I said he did some good things, but yeah totally racist in his EARLY years.

Mother Teresa (not even her real name, it's Agnes) was full of shit too as is the Dalai Lama (same episode). The only difference is they didn't change their ways.

Also it's not about the shock, it's about the TRUTH.

...but they are gonna' Saint the bitch anyways...don't get me started on the Nun...

.....changin' a name ain't nothin' to do with her wickedness...it's MADD hypocrisy in daily word & deed...

..she was mean..& that ain't Catholic, shit, it ain't even Christian...she never stopped being a big ole meany..

..What does it matter that Ghandi was a racist in his youth? You can't judge a man on his youth..you judge a man by his life work, by matching his words with his deeds.

...& up there ^^^ you said is ...just so you know...

QUOTE (Scary Guy @ Jun 4 2009, 01:55 PM) *

I won't dispute he did some cool stuff but he actually is a racist.

[taysteewonderbunny]

As much as I like Penn & Teller, not all of their information is accurate. It's more infotainment than real journalism. Some of their facts are right--but not all of them. Beware. They're sharing opinions, and doing so in ways that have particular emphatic force that is very emotionally convincing. It's rhetoric.

Ghandi's possible racism--kind of off topic, yes? I don't believe he was a perfect man. He disputed many of the inequities of the caste system, but disowned his son for being gay. Nobody's perfect. Still, I would rather live in a world that has men of his courage and tenacity than not.

As far as Southern pride goes, I have to say that I haven't read all of the thread. There are prejudices in both directions. Local pride is good. Animosity toward outsiders, while it may be a natural social phenomenon, ought to be avoided. Yet everyone demonstrates provincialism of one kind or another. [e.g. Go Tigers! God bless America!] My condolences to its victims, Yanks, Southies, Westerners, Asians, and otherwise. I hope that one day we can see beyond the more superficial characteristics and develop loyalties based more in the value of each individual, but that isn't so easy.

[Scary Guy]

...but they are gonna' Saint the bitch anyways...don't get me started on the Nun...

.....changin' a name ain't nothin' to do with her wickedness...it's MADD hypocrisy in daily word & deed...

..she was mean..& that ain't Catholic, shit, it ain't even Christian...she never stopped being a big ole meany..

..What does it matter that Ghandi was a racist in his youth? You can't judge a man on his youth..you judge a man by his life work, by matching his words with his deeds.

...& up there ^^^ you said is ...just so you know...

I said is when I meant was, ok, my mistake. Still the good deeds later do not diminish the past wrongs done and hiding them just makes him look WORSE.

Also finally at least we agree on SOMETHING lol.

As much as I like Penn & Teller, not all of their information is accurate. It's more infotainment than real journalism. Some of their facts are right--but not all of them. Beware. They're sharing opinions, and doing so in ways that have particular emphatic force that is very emotionally convincing. It's rhetoric.

What information is not accurate? Yes they're a little bias against religion and faith, the left, the right, etc... but they do present all sides. Usually people just make themselves look crazy or bad, they just add to it or point out that they are assholes (which is their opinion and they are entitled to it). However they tell you that in season one, right off at the beginning of the series.

I admit I don't agree with EVERYTHING they say but I do agree with the vast majority of what they say.

In the episode "Family Values", Penn said, "... we're fair and we never take people out of context. We're biased as all fuck. But, we try to be honest."

During an interview on the January 31, 2007 episode of The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, Teller claimed that the final episode of the show would be about "the bullshit of Bullshit!" and would detail all the criticisms that they themselves had of the show.

The best thing about being a skeptic is being skeptical of the other skeptics and coming up with YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS.

[Rev.Reverence]

I said is when I meant was, ok, my mistake. Still the good deeds later do not diminish the past wrongs done and hiding them just makes him look WORSE.

Yes, we agree in different ways about M.T.. The important part is the agreeing she was a meany.

...see, that's where we disagree...

I think showing the personal growth to turn 180* & start swingin' (figuratively) on the wrongness that you finally realized was wrong, is better than being right all along...THAT is the point of incarnation.

[Scary Guy]

Yes, we agree in different ways about M.T.. The important part is the agreeing she was a meany.

...see, that's where we disagree...

I think showing the personal growth to turn 180* & start swingin' (figuratively) on the wrongness that you finally realized was wrong, is better than being right all along...THAT is the point of incarnation.

But I was right, all along. I don't disagree that you were right too, but you took it way out of context and that was fun to play with.

[Rev.Reverence]

But I was right, all along. I don't disagree that you were right too, but you took it way out of context and that was fun to play with.

Yeah, for a second...but now, we both see where each other are, even if we don't agree exactly. & that's COOL.

(moral included for dirty ole lurkerz)

[BillyDeath]

They think that just because they were born or lived below the mason dixie line that they are rebels. Rebel is an action not a location, but they believe they automatically qualify and don't have to do the foot work. They are also big into line dancing to make a statement.

[Tacohitts]

In my own opinion and yes no one has to agree

I thinks most Americans,not all are co&%sucking arrogant a&%holes

that love to hate and assume crappy stereotypes when ever possible

and most of this trash seems to be in the mid-west area of the country.

[BillyDeath]

In my own opinion and yes no one has to agree

I thinks most Americans,not all are co&%sucking arrogant a&%holes

that love to hate and assume crappy stereotypes when ever possible

and most of this trash seems to be in the mid-west area of the country.

I agree. No matter where you go theirs always some trouble someone's gotta stir up.

[Tacohitts]

I agree. No matter where you go theirs always some trouble someone's gotta stir up.

and I hope what I said really does piss off some of these fucktards

they deserve it.truth hurts

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

that love to hate and assume crappy stereotypes when ever possible

Like your whole statement above.

[Rev.Reverence]

Like your whole statement above.

[Scary Guy]

Like you two are any less guilty. We all make judgments to ourselves even if we don't outwardly voice them. Hating the haters is still hate, at least recognize it for what it is.

[Rev.Reverence]

Like you two are any less guilty. We all make judgments to ourselves even if we don't outwardly voice them. Hating the haters is still hate, at least recognize it for what it is.

I don't hate peoples...but invariably find that I am disappointed in their judgment, disgusted by their rhetoric, & generally dissatisfied with the level of intellect they are willing to be happy with...I hate somethings that some humans do...that is not the same.

When I do in fact find that I simply abhor (can be read as hate) somebody, I at least try to identify the behavior that is the root of this abhorrence, & if at all possible (if it is a buddy of mine) try to communicate this "perceived flaw" to them in a constructive manner, in an attempt to aid their journey in a positive manner...OR, I just don't talk to them anymore.

Not really the text book case of "HATE" is it?

Judgment...you don't want to hear it, but..."Judgment is reserved for G*D."....we all have the spark of G*D within us.

.....you do the math...but you don't believe in the same Math.

[Scary Guy]

I don't hate peoples...but invariably find that I am disappointed in their judgment, disgusted by their rhetoric, & generally dissatisfied with the level of intellect they are willing to be happy with...I hate somethings that some humans do...that is not the same.

When I do in fact find that I simply abhor (can be read as hate) somebody, I at least try to identify the behavior that is the root of this abhorrence, & if at all possible (if it is a buddy of mine) try to communicate this "perceived flaw" to them in a constructive manner, in an attempt to aid their journey in a positive manner...OR, I just don't talk to them anymore.

Not really the text book case of "HATE" is it?

Judgment...you don't want to hear it, but..."Judgment is reserved for G*D."....we all have the spark of G*D within us.

.....you do the math...but you don't believe in the same Math.

I believe in any math that brings a logical end result such as 2+2=4. However to me your math looks like 2+2=many It's kind of the same thing, but not really.

I guess to a degree I can see both your points of view, because he doesn't hate them ALL either. The difference is he hates a majority of them, and you hate a minority of him, and from that one could predict, those who think like he does.

"Judge not lest ye be judged" and there is a "final day of judgment" coming (so they say) which gives you a free pass. Or you could always ask for forgiveness. Hurray for you because I don't have that option, I get to be held accountable for my actions and misdeeds by my peers.

[candyman]

Ahhh...

I am not going to make any sort of statement against people that live based on the statement "Y'all suit wearin assholes ain't gonna tell us what to do". Good for them...they at least have the balls to stand up for they shit that they support. I can in no way support a movement against people that may or may not be racist even if they are a little backwards. It is how they choose to live their lives and if they don't give me shit for my music, hairstyle, and choice of clothing while I am staying in their towns then why the fuck should I hassle them? Seriously, in all my travels I have only run into racism in areas like Atlanta...and if you meet the idiots in that city both black and white you probably wouldn't think twice about giving them shit.

This thread seems to be heading in more logical direction now but maybe...just maybe, other threads with the same subject matter should be started off with a little more thought put into the starting post. Maybe there could be a little more direction instead of random statements that generalize an entire populace based off of...well, I don't know what the hell set it off to begin with...probably nothing.

Now, what would the reaction be if I go wasted on Jack and started a thread on the violent and racial music and lifestyle of South American countries? Same idea but considering the people are not white it would probably be considered a racist thread...

[Homicidalheathen]

ditto that we all hate at sometime or another.

Like you two are any less guilty. We all make judgments to ourselves even if we don't outwardly voice them. Hating the haters is still hate, at least recognize it for what it is.

[Enishi]

I think that due to the complexities of life and the difficulties of living, various forms of tribalism and geographic loyalty are pretty much inevitable. It's not necessarily a bad thing in of itself, I put my family and friends with shared beliefs and interests ahead of other people in terms of loyalty.

You do tend to get the unwanted side effect of out-group hostility and ignorant attitudes among the less intelligent masses, but that's pretty much inevitable as well.

[BillyDeath]

I said this on my 'southern rock' and I'll say it here: I am not against the south nor all the people, just the bigotry some people have towards those who happen to be north of the mason dixie line and how they lump us together.