Band Fans vs. Scene Fans

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Ok, so lets go over definitions real quick before we start discussing this.

Band Fans - I hate these people. They come for ONE or TWO bands....and pay attention to no-one else. If their band(s) are done playing before the show is over, they leave. The come in like 15-30 minutes before their band plays, and leaves after.

They also like to say they are supporting the local music scene. Lets stamp a HUGE "NO BITCH, YOUR NOT" sticker on them.

Scene Fans - OH HOW I LOVE YOU! You come for the show, not just one or two bands. You have your favorites, but you know that maybe someone else will have something you like. Your awesome!! You get there asap, and you leave as late as you can, just to make sure you catch the majority of the bands. Your the shyt, and we love you.

ok....discuss...I don't knwo what...just discuss...lol

[freydis]

Usually, I go to something to see someone in particular, but as long as everyone else is ok, I'll stay and see them too. How else do you find new music?

But if they suck?

Screw that noise.

I'm leavin'.

[jynxxxedangel]

Meh..

If the band currently onstage "sucks," I just belly up to the bar, and see if there are any good hourly drink specials. The trick is to drink, until they sound good.

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

I reckon I'm a Scene fan lol

go an hour early, leave when they boot me out the door lol

but.. if the band sucks on stage, and its no where near time for the band I like, to play, I go socialize... most of the time, more often then not, I'm front and center, with Deathfearsnone, the entire show. whether the opening acts suck or not.

This is how we got into bands like Pillar of Autumn, and No Resolve, and other such bands.

[phee]

Depends on the show really.

[Homicidalheathen]

It is rude to leave in the middle of someones set or before, unless its an emergency and you can't help it

However this trend is becoming the norm

I even see it in kids performances. After someone's kid (grade level) is done, people get up and LEAVE

so thats where its taken us.

[StormKnight (1)]

It takes a bit to get me out to see a band to begin with. It has to be something really special to me as a headliner.

With the other acts around them, I definitely try to listen to them and give them the benefit of a doubt. I have been pleasantly surprised, and I do stay until all the bands are done. When I was helping with Midnight in DC, I made an effort to try and appreciate the acts that came in, staying to the end.

The only reason I leave is due to time constraints with other things in my life I need to take care of. If I can't stay, and I do know a member or two in the band, I apologize to them that I may have to leave in the middle of a set (kicking and screaming all the way,) and try to listen down to the wire. It is something that I loathe to do, (and I knew quite a few of my local bands in the DC area,) but doing what I do and being restricted due to certain things, most do understand.

Edited June 25, 2009 by StormKnight

[TygerLili]

In my opinion, If they're paying money to see the show then they're supporting the scene, no matter how long they stay.

[Destroit]

In my opinion, If they're paying money to see the show then they're supporting the scene, no matter how long they stay.

Yes, and there's the fact that I've never sat through an opening band that DIDN'T make me want to claw my eyes out. Support the scene, sweet, but if a band sucks serious balls...don't be a sellout tool and stick around just to try to support a band you think sounds like ass. Sorry, that's just how I feel. Opening bands is the time to go get beer...PERIOD.

If there is ever an opening band I might like, I'll stay, just saying that it hasn't happened yet, even once. OH wait, I take that back, I saw Orgy at Harpo's in '04 I believe, and Godhead opened for them and I didn't think they were too bad at all. So there you go. One band, out of all the years of going to concerts. Alien Ant Farm opened for Orgy in '01 also, before they were ever on MTV, and I liked when they did Smooth Criminal (first time anyone had really ever heard that rendition, because, as I said it hadn't been on MTV yet). So one band and one song as the exception to the rule .

I GUESS that makes me a band fan, but I will say that I almost always stay for opening bands and get there before any of them go on. It's definately not because I want to sit there through their crap, quite the contrary, I realize that most people don't have the patience that I do and will go utilize the time to get more beer...giving me prime opportunity to sneak my way to the front of the stage so I can be there dead center, ogling Ogre or whatever other hot lead singer is up there that I want to get RIGHT up in front of. I know...I have obsession problems .

Does that put me in the "Reluctant Scene Fan" category?

Edited June 25, 2009 by Chernobyl

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

In my opinion, If they're paying money to see the show then they're supporting the scene, no matter how long they stay.

Money is one factor.....and one of the lesser ones, honestly.

Bands need fan appreciation. The only way they really make it is a constant fan base, and with people leaving after such and such a band....thats hard to make happen.

[Rev.Reverence]

There ar every few bands I even LIKE from this area...but, if I go out..to see local bands..I generally follow the plan that Jinxxed said...'cause lets face it...LOTS OF BANDS, JUST SUCK ASSES ANYWAYS.

[MyViolentMachine]

Depends on the situation I guess. I don't usually see too much local music but when i goto a concert I usually listen to all of the bands present (unless it's a festival) and that will determine if I am interested or not. But I sure hell won't stay for a band "just cuase". Yes I was one of those assholes that left after NIN to skp JA, just not my flavor.

[Simon Bar Sinister]

^ too bad, dude - JA were incredible!

on topic: I'm not going to watch a band that's stinking up the joint, whether opening or headlining. having said that, I've noticed that I'm showing up to see openers since I've started playing out again these past few years.

[Scales]

I'm pretty much only and rarely at local shows. I do stay through most of the bands, but most of the bands I've heard weren't worth the money to me. I think when I do go live with anything I'll only do shows with people I trust and learn more about being the sound guy; I don't see the point in monetized performing when your vocals are supposed to be heard and they aren't, or any sound is too off-balance. In my opinion, anyone who does monetized shows should be self-critical, audible, and dynamic enough to develop a fan-base.

[TheOsakaKoneko]

I usually get there for the opening and try to get near the front, because I want to be near the front for the main band. My personal pet peeve, though, is when people are there for the headliner only, take the front and center spot, and then TALK WITH THEIR FRIENDS LOUDLY through the entire opening band's set. Sometimes I am there for that opening band. Ayria is a great example. I love her. I've been to 3 shows now where she was an earlier act. When I saw Cruxshadows, I was there for Ayria. I don't really care about the Cruxshadows. But people hogging the first 3 rows were being assholes and just chatting. I wish someone would notice I'M just there for Ayria, and let me through to the front and then I will leave again and let them have it for the main band. When people let me do this? I am in heaven. It has happened and it is lovely.

If you are there for the headliner and saving your spot - more power to you. I appreciate that. I've done the same thing. But if you aren't into the opener at all, don't fucking act bored and talk through it and stand between me and the band. If you see someone behind you who knows all the words to the opener and getting really into it? Chances are that's why they're there. Let them through to the front if you aren't watching anyway on the agreement that they'll get out of your way before your band. I wish things worked this way. I wish people had more courtesy about this.

[DJ Nocker]

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Money is one factor.....and one of the lesser ones, honestly.

Bands need fan appreciation. The only way they really make it is a constant fan base, and with people leaving after such and such a band....thats hard to make happen.

I disagree. In the end, its all about the money. ESPECIALLY if you have been doing it for a while and concider it a career. After a while it gets annoying having people come up and say the SAME THING every night. "hey great show" OMG I LOVE YOU" "Whats your favorite band?" bla bla bla.

You think bands like Avenged Sevenfold or From Autumn to Ashes give a shit about how there fans thought when they changed there sound? No, they were pumped because they were making more money from being radio friendly.

After hearing 10 people a night ask the same shit, its surprising anyone can sit through it. Thats why these days, I rarely stay to meet the band because most are just doing it because they know they should, not because they want to. So people will buy there next album, think they arent jerks. or whatever. Most musicians (Unless they are brand spankin new)are perfectly fine as long as they get paid.

Having "fans" is not going to get you famous, its talent scouts or bands that see you have potential, not a bunch of random people screaming. Most people look bands up on the internet or in magazines before going to shows anyways.

Edited July 24, 2009 by Sluagh686

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

I disagree. In the end, its all about the money. ESPECIALLY if you have been doing it for a while and concider it a career. After a while it gets annoying having people come up and say the SAME THING every night. "hey great show" OMG I LOVE YOU" "Whats your favorite band?" bla bla bla.

After hearing 10 people a night ask the same shit, its surprising anyone can sit through it. Thats why these days, I rarely stay to meet the band because most are just doing it because they know they should, not because they want to. So people will buy there next album, think they arent jerks. or whatever. Most musicians (Unless they are brand spankin new)are perfectly fine as long as they get paid.

Having "fans" is not going to get you famous, its talent scouts or bands that see you have potential, not a bunch of random people screaming. Most people look bands up on the internet or in magazines before going to shows anyways.

I could introduce you to way more then a handfull of national musicians that would disagree with you, including guys from Ministry, Mushroomhead, and Static X....but hey....each to their opinion I guess.

and you don't get to even get noticed by talent scouts or other bands unless you have that fan base. It's not all about the money...I know plenty of rising national bands that play for the recognition.

[Reaper]

Personally, when I was in Imagicide back in the late 90s to early 2000s, scouts were looking to see if the band possessed talent as well as a fan base. It was interesting to see that the local band from Jackson, 10,000 Stationwagons of Kung Fu Fury (I think that was what they were called) ended up winning some contest and Sony media or some big name was to help promote them. Personally I thought they sounded like crap, but they had a fan base. But to this day I have never heard anything from them.

[Frank Hardly]

Both are welcome in my book. Of course, the scene fans are a little more welcome. It is a little annoying when a lot of people take off right before you play. But if you're up there because you love playing, it's all the same.

I've always thought the bands have the ability to change situations like this. Play smaller bills and become choosy about the bands that play them. If all of the bands highly recommend the other bands on a bill, people will stay. If you treat the show like it's your show and the other bands just happen to be there, more people won't care.

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Both are welcome in my book. Of course, the scene fans are a little more welcome. It is a little annoying when a lot of people take off right before you play. But if you're up there because you love playing, it's all the same.

I've always thought the bands have the ability to change situations like this. Play smaller bills and become choosy about the bands that play them. If all of the bands highly recommend the other bands on a bill, people will stay. If you treat the show like it's your show and the other bands just happen to be there, more people won't care.

thats a +5 in my book

[Raev]

Personally, whenever I go to see a show - be it local act or national act I show up long before doors open and stay til the last note is played for the night.

I've become fans of a LOT of my favorite bands over the years that way. Some have gone on to become quite large nationally.

[DJ Nocker]

I could introduce you to way more then a handfull of national musicians that would disagree with you, including guys from Ministry, Mushroomhead, and Static X....but hey....each to their opinion I guess.

and you don't get to even get noticed by talent scouts or other bands unless you have that fan base. It's not all about the money...I know plenty of rising national bands that play for the recognition.

I know the guys from Mushroomhead, and I know that at least 2 of the members from mushroomhead think the way I stated. cant say for static-x or ministry. I can say the same for slipknot, sisters of mercy, and several other bands too

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

I know the guys from Mushroomhead, and I know that at least 2 of the members from mushroomhead think the way I stated. cant say for static-x or ministry. I can say the same for slipknot, sisters of mercy, and several other bands too

I'll be sure to relay the message...cuz I have talked to ALL of them more then several times, just concerning the music...and for a band with so many guys, and for them to ask the amount the want...they are obviously NOT that concerned money in a large part.