upside down pentagrams

[Homicidalheathen]

This lady I have associated with says this. How can a symbol with magick power through its geometric shape and intent be blasphomied? If you turn it upside down to honor Baphomet and Baphomet is a positive symbol for you then how is that blasphomous? It still represents the elements and directions and aren't magick symbols universal in that it doesn't matter what way they are facing it still works the same way?

[Vater Araignee]

To turn upside down is to invert meaning.

North South East and West are North South East and West there is no changing that fact until the earth has another magnetic inversion event.

Up represents north, down represents south, right = east, left = west. Top point on the pentagram = spirit and should always honor the fifth tower by pointing up or north.

If a person wishes to honor Baphomet then they should use Baphomet's symbol (wich is not simply an upside down pentagram) unless the wish to honor by blaspheming the pentagram.

merry meet, marry part, marry meet again amen.

[Fierce Critter]

In general, the upside-down pentagram is accepted as a symbol of satanism.

The upside-down star is said to represent the goat - the two upward points are the horns, the sideways ones the ears, the bottom one the chin.

If you're a pagan wishing to keep the satanic association out of Witchcraft/Wicca, best to find a different symbol.

[kellygrrrrrl]

The bible states false Idols and symbols are detested by GOD. Most symbols, shapes, etc...extend from some sort of Paganistic rituals or satanic worship. Today that shape or symbol may not carry that meaning, but if you do some research you might find that it does carry a paganistic or satanic backround...

I have had a very strange religious backround. I was taught to fear just about everything...including pentgrams and crosses and yin & yang etc....Just to name a few.

I am a mut mix between JW's, Catholic and jewish.....make sense? Doesn't to me either.

I did about 3 years of religious study. Hard core.

[Nienna]

Some traditions use the upsidedown pentacle as the symbol for the Crone manefestation of the goddess. I think because of the negative connotations related to this symbol facing this direction, most avoid wearing it or displaying it this way.

I know really very little about Satanism, but I believe the upsidedown pentacle is often shown with the horns of the beast atop it. (Please feel free to correct me if I'm misinformed)

[Jarodaka]

This lady I have associated with says this.  How can a symbol with magick power through its geometric shape and intent be blasphomied?

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This is a question of definition and perspective. She's not saying that your pentagram is being blasphemitifiedizationed, she's saying that holding something in reverence -- that is, as having God-like qualities -- other than God Himself is blasphemous.

[Brenda Starrr]

blasphemitifiedizationed

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Wow. :blink

Sorry!

[Jarodaka]

I had trouble deciding on one suffix, so I just used as many as I could think of.

[Brenda Starrr]

I was going cross-eyed and thought it was my cold meds......

[Soulrev]

I was going cross-eyed and thought it was my cold meds......

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whew thought I was the only one who read that.. Was about to find a different drug dealer hahaha..

[Brenda Starrr]

I was beginning to think I was going to have to start smoking weed.

[Soulrev]

I was beginning to think I was going to have to start smoking weed.

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rofl.. Brenda don't get old on me and lose that sense of humor :D

[Mistress Mercy]

The reversed pentagram isnt blasphemous at least to me its not .Alot of people who follow left hand path religions tend to wear then, and its not always associated with satanisim. It's also used in traditional cornish withcraft along with the image of baphomet.

[Enochian_Deity]

I have studied high ceremonial magic for over 20 years. The concept of inverting it as being blasphemous goes much deeper than that. In divine practice there is a single triangle at the top. It can conceptually be understood as the trinity, but it does go much deeper; it is the akasha force for those that understand it. The bottom 4 triangles symbolize the 4 elements. To put a single point at the bottom places all 4 elements over your theoretical supreme deity; this can be associate with good and directed practis; but qliphotic forces should be understood, this is an inverted tree of life. When it's inverted, it has been associated with the sigh of baphomet; goat head representation. But a simple angular rotation will yield the same results; but where are the elemental representations? Understanding the true placement of the elementals in the work is much more important than just flipping the symbol. We all start like the tarot as a fool. Only when the stage of magician is met (Mastry of the elements) should and inverted petagram be sucessfully utilized. Or there can be mental problems to perplex the mind, along with spiritual decay and obsession. (Those are just my personal oppinions)

This is also the same with the swastika. It is a holy and divine symbol of magical practice. Rotating it perverted the meaning, and yields what some call evil. Evil is just a word. But understanding duality is much more practical in true magical working than the man made concept of good and evil.

Eliphias Levi and Frances Bardone went in great detail explaining this. Crowley put some veils in his work, but it can be found there also.

Refference.

Eliphias levi Transcendental Magick

Frances Bardone Hermatic Science (I will look at the book when I get home. It may have a different name, but does have the word hermatic in it)

Aliester Crowley Gems from the Equinox

Crowleys, and Bardones books are out of print and extremely hard to find, but I have had them both since the 80's

I would personally recomend a full undertanding of all symbols and tools for ritual work, or don't use them at all. Also remember many ancient text are written from right to left and not left to right. A little advice for those practicing with the language ancient rituals were written in.

Researching Qliphotic forces will give an understaning of how the inverted pentagram functions. It's not neccessarly evil, but certain stages of advancement in magical practice are required if you truly want to be in control.

here are a few links

Qliphotic Forces

Possible understanding of the forces

[Enochian_Deity]

After giving this topic much thought; it is possible for people to desire functioning as tools for the Qliphotic forces. All entities on both sided of Malkuth can be worshiped, adorn and accepted as a personal deity. The acceptance is an opposition of controlling the force. Those methods would start with the inverted pentagram, and lead to a spiritual growth which I personally choose not to experience. There are very few people who actually have done this. Those that have are rarely heard from. Many that reference doing it are probably charlatans. And for the most, greatly confused in reality and illusion. In true high magic controlling the forces are a requirement. The Goetia explains such work, and the forces are so strong it requires 2 people. This type of work is very exhausting and can require more than 18 hours to complete. Because purification and fasting is a pre-requisite, the practitioner goes into this already weak. Crowley lost to these forces when he abandoned the evocation of his holy guardian angel when attempting the rites of Abramelin. He latter fooled people by awaiss, and perdurabo. But the truth is known by many, and documented. After he abandoned the ritual, he immediately fell prey to homosexuality, drug additions, drinking the blood of many animals and much more. Those things are in many religions, but were not apart of Crowley’s original path.

Use Crowley’s experience as a guide. This type of work is immediate and pure Karma. Once it is initiated there is no turning back. There is success or your future in magical workings will dramatically change. This all depends on your ability to successfully evoke these forces. Always evoke, and never invoke such forces, unless that is what your system dictates.

[Homicidalheathen]

Finally someone who seems to know what I am talking about! Thanks.

After giving this topic much thought; it is possible for people to desire functioning as tools for the Qliphotic forces.  All entities on both sided of Malkuth can be worshiped, adorn and accepted as a personal deity.  The acceptance is an opposition of controlling the force.  Those methods would start with the inverted pentagram, and lead to a spiritual growth which I personally choose not to experience.  There are very few people who actually have done this.  Those that have are rarely heard from.  Many that reference doing it are probably charlatans.  And for the most, greatly confused in reality and illusion.  In true high magic controlling the forces are a requirement.  The Goetia explains such work, and the forces are so strong it requires 2 people.  This type of work is very exhausting and can require more than 18 hours to complete.  Because purification and fasting is a pre-requisite, the practitioner goes into this already weak.  Crowley lost to these forces when he abandoned the evocation of his holy guardian angel when attempting the rites of Abramelin.  He latter fooled people by awaiss, and perdurabo.  But the truth is known by many, and documented.  After he abandoned the ritual, he immediately fell prey to homosexuality, drug additions, drinking the blood of many animals and much more.  Those things are in many religions, but were not apart of Crowley’s original path.

Use Crowley’s experience as a guide.  This type of work is immediate and pure Karma.  Once it is initiated there is no turning back.  There is success or your future in magical workings will dramatically change.  This all depends on your ability to successfully evoke these forces.  Always evoke, and never invoke such forces, unless that is what your system dictates.

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[Shade Everdark]

The only force I evoke is the world's anger.