Will our cloves be banned from shelves?

[AstralCrux]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/22/obama.tobacco/index.html

Obama signs bill putting tobacco products under FDA oversight

Story Highlights

Law gives FDA power to ban candy-flavored and fruit-flavored cigarettes

Also prohibits companies from using terms such as "low tar," "light" or "mild"

400,000+ Americans die from tobacco-related illnesses each year, Obama notes

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama signed landmark legislation Monday giving the Food and Drug Administration new power to regulate the manufacturing, marketing and sale of tobacco.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act gives the FDA power to ban candy-flavored and fruit-flavored cigarettes, widely considered appealing to first-time smokers, including youths. It also prohibits tobacco companies from using terms such as "low tar," "light" or "mild," requires larger warning labels on packages, and restricts advertising of tobacco products.

It also requires tobacco companies to reduce levels of nicotine in cigarettes.

The new law "represents change that's been decades in the making," Obama said during a bill-signing ceremony in the White House Rose Garden.

"The decades-long effort to protect our children [has] emerged victorious. ... Today, change has come."

Despite a significant decrease in the percentage of Americans who smoke in recent decades, more than 400,000 Americans still die from tobacco-related illnesses every year, the president noted. Tobacco-related health care costs exceed $100 billion annually.

Altria Group, which owns Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest cigarette company, previously called congressional passage of the law "an important step forward." At the same time, however, it also expressed "First Amendment reservations about certain provisions, including those that could restrict a manufacturer's ability to communicate truthful information to adult consumers about tobacco products."

Phillip Morris makes such brands as Marlboro, Virginia Slims, Chesterfield and Basic.

A narrow majority of adult Americans opposes the law, according to a Gallup Poll released Monday. Fifty-two percent of Americans -- including most smokers -- are opposed to the measure, while 46 percent support it. The survey was conducted June 14-17.

Before signing the bill, the president acknowledged the struggle that young people in particular face when they try to stop smoking.

"I know because I was one of those teenagers. I know how difficult it can be when you get started at a young age," he said.

[TitsMcGee]

It's utter bullshit IMO. If I want to destroy my body that is my choice.

Edited August 11, 2009 by TitsMcGee

[candyman]

The fact that the government and these "scientists" are still using the word "tar" to describe what is in cigarettes makes them just about as smart as my ass hairs...there is no tar in cigarettes you idiots! If you don't know what is really in them then maybe you should go back to school where they teach you about PPM, dose makes the poison, and the basic laws of combustion and the outcome of combustion...shit I'm out of breath otherwise I would keep ranting...

[jynxxxedangel]

Roll yer own clove ciggies. Just add some ground clove to your fave shag blend (about 3/4 of a teaspoon per ounce of tobacco), and mix well. If you want a sweet filter, lightly brush the filter paper (not the cotton itself) at the end with some simple bar syrup, and let them dry, before you fill the tubes.

Just tried this a few minutes ago, and it tastes really close to a Djarum.

[Tacohitts]

Well look at how they are banning our freedom of speech

they also think that this country was only meant for little babies/and kiddies'

in other words more people to screw over when they are adults.

[Simon Bar Sinister]

The fact that the government and these "scientists" are still using the word "tar" to describe what is in cigarettes makes them just about as smart as my ass hairs...there is no tar in cigarettes you idiots! If you don't know what is really in them then maybe you should go back to school where they teach you about PPM, dose makes the poison, and the basic laws of combustion and the outcome of combustion...shit I'm out of breath otherwise I would keep ranting...

umm, dude - the "government" isn't using those terms; they're prohibiting the cig companies from using them.

Anyway, FUCK SMOKING - I hope the tax gets jacked to the maximum, whatever that may be.

[Girl with Tail 29]

I'll miss you cigs... *sigh* *cough* I'll miss you so much.

oh mumzey please let it not be so...

[AstralCrux]

They are foiling my plot for a slow death.... I need a new plot.

[n0Mad]

In my current course I have to develop a marketing plan for flavored cigarettes but since they're newly banned in America, the teacher has altered the assignment for a European market. Anyway, as I'm researching this new law I am discovering that this was mostly pushed through by Democrats and has strong Democratic support. But this confuses me. Anytime I see any lobbying for legalizing marijuana, it usually also comes from the left (or from Libertarians) and has strong Democratic support. So why is it that Democrats want to ban flavored cigarettes but legalize marijuana? I'm just confused.

[Rev.Reverence]

In my current course I have to develop a marketing plan for flavored cigarettes but since they're newly banned in America, the teacher has altered the assignment for a European market. Anyway, as I'm researching this new law I am discovering that this was mostly pushed through by Democrats and has strong Democratic support. But this confuses me. Anytime I see any lobbying for legalizing marijuana, it usually also comes from the left (or from Libertarians) and has strong Democratic support. So why is it that Democrats want to ban flavored cigarettes but legalize marijuana? I'm just confused.

BIG-O said that the 'candy cigarettes' are aimed at childrens...

[torn asunder]

BIG-O said that the 'candy cigarettes' are aimed at childrens...

right, but kids don't want anything to do with pot...

[candyman]

In my current course I have to develop a marketing plan for flavored cigarettes but since they're newly banned in America, the teacher has altered the assignment for a European market. Anyway, as I'm researching this new law I am discovering that this was mostly pushed through by Democrats and has strong Democratic support. But this confuses me. Anytime I see any lobbying for legalizing marijuana, it usually also comes from the left (or from Libertarians) and has strong Democratic support. So why is it that Democrats want to ban flavored cigarettes but legalize marijuana? I'm just confused.

Popularity maybe? They say that they "care" about our health...so they rampage against things that obviously kill you and they try to push alternative meds like weed. They usually push the herb as a medical thing first to get their foot in the door. The whole thing in Wisconsin right now is "for the children" so there is tons of support for taxes on cigarettes even though the tax money is going towards other things...which the government officials actually admitted to for some reason. With the herb they "care for those that can't care/think for themselves" which I think should mean old people but I have a feeling the are talking about all of us. The Democrats in Wisconsin had a "tar in the lungs" commercial a while back and now they have a medical herb one going...

There are Republicans backing many of these bans and tax things too...but unlike the Democrats they seem to stick to one thing and try a little harder to hear both sides. Honestly, as long as they get a pat on the back neither side really knows what the hell they are going for...it just feels good to be in charge and have people say "good job" to you.

[Rev.Reverence]

right, but kids don't want anything to do with pot...

...what does pot have to do with tobacco?

[*Siren*]

Smuggle them in from Canada. Windsor was there to provide whiskey during prohibition and Windsor will be here to provide cloves now.

[freydis]

You can always go buy em up while theyre still on the shelves.

[AstralCrux]

They aren't on the shelves anymore... :-( Any Canadians wanna do a mail/Paypal system with me?

[freydis]

They aren't on the shelves anymore... :-( Any Canadians wanna do a mail/Paypal system with me?

wow....pulled them already?

[AstralCrux]

wow....pulled them already?

Bought out... Most smoke shops only carry maybe 2-3 cartons on hand and as legislation was going through, I'm sure they stopped buying.

[*Siren*]

<------------ Canadian

[Rev.Reverence]

They aren't on the shelves anymore... :-( Any Canadians wanna do a mail/Paypal system with me?

DOOODZ....they have replaced the Djarum Cloves, with a very nice Djarum Clove Cigar...they are still called Djarum Blacks...12 in a pack...they are only a lil' bit stronger...I LOVE 'EM!

[AstralCrux]

I've tried the new version... I don't like them. I pretty much quit smoking, but I get a pack of the new ones if I go out. Now, I just go out less.

[*Siren*]

I guarantee someone is already bringing them in, you just have to find out where to get them. When people are broke and there's a dollar to be made, somebody will be all over it like fur on a weasel.

[n0Mad]

I thought I read somewhere that they were banned in Canada as well. *shrug*

[*Siren*]

Cloves are not banned in Canada, but only a few stores in Windsor have ever sold them.

[n0Mad]

Cloves are not banned in Canada ...

Actually, they are. I could not find the source where I originally got my information but through further research I found that as of October 8, 2009, Canada has enacted a ban on flavored cigarettes similar to the one in the US but even more sweeping because "because it also includes small cigars" (Dowd, 2009, para. 7) whereas the US one does not at this point. Like the US ban, however, the only exception is menthol cigarettes though both countries are seeking further legislation to ban those as well.

References:

Dowd, A. (2009, October 8). Canada bans fruit-flavored cigarettes. Reuters. Retrieved from http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5975GD20091008