Will our cloves be banned from shelves?

[Msterbeau]

<------------ Canadian

Yay!!! (My parents are Canadian)

[Rev.Reverence]

Actually, they are. I could not find the source where I originally got my information but through further research I found that as of October 8, 2009, Canada has enacted a ban on flavored cigarettes similar to the one in the US but even more sweeping because "because it also includes small cigars" (Dowd, 2009, para. 7) whereas the US one does not at this point. Like the US ban, however, the only exception is menthol cigarettes though both countries are seeking further legislation to ban those as well.

References:

Dowd, A. (2009, October 8). Canada bans fruit-flavored cigarettes. Reuters. Retrieved from http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5975GD20091008

...well, that's jacked...clove, is not fruit...

[*Siren*]

Actually, they are. I could not find the source where I originally got my information but through further research I found that as of October 8, 2009, Canada has enacted a ban on flavored cigarettes similar to the one in the US but even more sweeping because "because it also includes small cigars" (Dowd, 2009, para. 7) whereas the US one does not at this point. Like the US ban, however, the only exception is menthol cigarettes though both countries are seeking further legislation to ban those as well.

References:

Dowd, A. (2009, October 8). Canada bans fruit-flavored cigarettes. Reuters. Retrieved from http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5975GD20091008

I don't think this article is very reliable for a number of reasons:

1. We never had fruit flavored cigarettes here, so banning something that doesn't exist here is pointless.

2. I know for a fact that you can still buy cloves because I have a number of friends that smoke them and they have still been able to buy them.

3. The article mentions a recent ban on tobacco ads. You haven't been able to advertise tobacco in Canada for around 30 years.

[candyman]

I don't think this article is very reliable for a number of reasons:

1. We never had fruit flavored cigarettes here, so banning something that doesn't exist here is pointless.

2. I know for a fact that you can still buy cloves because I have a number of friends that smoke them and they have still been able to buy them.

3. The article mentions a recent ban on tobacco ads. You haven't been able to advertise tobacco in Canada for around 30 years.

They can base the bans off of whatever they want. The poll in Wisconsin before the ban was: Are you sick of multiple tobacco adds in magazines, television, and radio? Are you sick of cigarette companies handing out free cigarettes on college campuses? It was basically a whole list of things that have not happened for years but because people don't pay attention they got worked up and the poll showed that things "needed" to be banned.

So...yes you do need a ban of fruit flavored cigarettes as they attract small children like flies to poop. You must have imaginary friends according to the government...either that or they are spies. And haven't you noticed all the tobacco advertising crammed into the small spaces in gas stations? Everyone can see that shit!

[n0Mad]

I don't think this article is very reliable ...

Um, it's from Reuters. You know, the UK-based, Canadian-controlled news service. Probably more reliable than the US's Associated Press.

[*Siren*]

They can base the bans off of whatever they want. The poll in Wisconsin before the ban was: Are you sick of multiple tobacco adds in magazines, television, and radio? Are you sick of cigarette companies handing out free cigarettes on college campuses? It was basically a whole list of things that have not happened for years but because people don't pay attention they got worked up and the poll showed that things "needed" to be banned.

So...yes you do need a ban of fruit flavored cigarettes as they attract small children like flies to poop. You must have imaginary friends according to the government...either that or they are spies. And haven't you noticed all the tobacco advertising crammed into the small spaces in gas stations? Everyone can see that shit!

I was talking about Canada. There are no tobacco ads in gas stations here. Since the 2006 smoking ban stores have not even been allowed to have any signs indicating that they even sell any tobacco products and all tobacco must be hidden from public view. This posed a real problem for cigar shops, since according to the ban their sign could no longer indicate exactly what they do. One tobacco shop in Windsor changed their sign to one that simply said "This Sign Causes Cancer" and they actually got in shit for that.

As for tobacco ads in magazines and newspapers, those were illegal here even when I was a kid.

The PROPOSED law that is causing a lot of confusion here is a ban on certain additives in cigars, flavored rolling papers and also all American cigarettes. It does not apply to Kreteks (cloves). The proposed law has gotten Canada in a bit of shit since the US has decided to complain to the World Trade Organization that a ban on American tobacco violates trade agreements.

For now, you can still buy cloves in Canada, as well as American cigarettes. Whether or not this will change in the future, who knows?

[*Siren*]

Here is proof that we do still have cloves in Canada. Unfortunately the place is in Kelowna and they can't ship cigarettes so it won't do anyone any good, but it proves the point I am trying to make. Look under "specialty cigarettes" and you will find Djarum Black.

http://www.tobaccolandcanada.com/

[*Siren*]

Ray & Kim's in Windsor sells them. They are located right downtown on Ouellette Ave.

[LulaLaRose]

In my current course I have to develop a marketing plan for flavored cigarettes but since they're newly banned in America, the teacher has altered the assignment for a European market. Anyway, as I'm researching this new law I am discovering that this was mostly pushed through by Democrats and has strong Democratic support. But this confuses me. Anytime I see any lobbying for legalizing marijuana, it usually also comes from the left (or from Libertarians) and has strong Democratic support. So why is it that Democrats want to ban flavored cigarettes but legalize marijuana? I'm just confused.

I have a cynical view. I think that it is all based on money and who is giving it to whom. Big tobacco has deep pockets, and likely have more power than we realize over our politicians. They are trying to squeeze out any competition by encouraging the ban of "flavored" cigarettes and it is marketed to the public by saying we should try to save the children. They give in a little by having to lower the amount of nicotine in their cigarettes. But ultimately big tobacco is trying to get ahead and try to keep as much of the market share as possible, especially with all of the smoking bans happening. And right now they do not see marijuana as a threat. But when they do I am sure some sort of action will be taken. And whoever has the most money wins unfortunately in our current political system.

Edited January 11, 2010 by LulaLaRose

[Lilly420]

I buy my cloves overseas - you can do the same. Or, yanno, I know a chick if you're interested in smaller quantities than a carton >.>

<3

Lilly

[freydis]

I have a cynical view. I think that it is all based on money and who is giving it to whom. Big tobacco has deep pockets, and likely have more power than we realize over our politicians. They are trying to squeeze out any competition by encouraging the ban of "flavored" cigarettes and it is marketed to the public by saying we should try to save the children. They give in a little by having to lower the amount of nicotine in their cigarettes. But ultimately big tobacco is trying to get ahead and try to keep as much of the market share as possible, especially with all of the smoking bans happening. And right now they do not see marijuana as a threat. But when they do I am sure some sort of action will be taken. And whoever has the most money wins unfortunately in our current political system.

That might not be as long as some may think.

In Colorado, they allow medical marijuana, and just a few miles down the road from me there's probably 8 dispensaries....

[Lilly420]

I know of a clinic in Southfield, Michigan where you can get doctor approval (IF you can prove your conditions) for Medical Marijuana. They charge you for the visit and the paperwork, but once filled out, you can legally buy from a grower. No dispensaries that I know of, though.

<3

Lilly

[freydis]

I know of a clinic in Southfield, Michigan where you can get doctor approval (IF you can prove your conditions) for Medical Marijuana. They charge you for the visit and the paperwork, but once filled out, you can legally buy from a grower. No dispensaries that I know of, though.

<3

Lilly

Theyre all over the place here, its nuts.