Cloves Banned by the FDA!

[TheGimp]

...I am not certain about that, nor could I figure out where to look this up..but, it does ring a bell...if memory serves, it was an anti-tobacco group that was spouting this...I have known several junkies that kicked...& for the most part they smoked cigs for quite some time after kickin' ...so, I quote those guys...I'm still mad at the doctors for fuckin' my nervous system up in the 80s...

one who has ever tried to give up smoking cigarettes knows the meaning of being hooked. Even those who succeed in quitting for the first time suffer the same 75% relapse rate as recovering alcoholics and heroin addicts. Last week the U.S. Surgeon General made official what everyone has recognized for a long time: tobacco, like cocaine or heroin, is addictive. In a no-holds-barred, 618-page report, the forthright C. Everett Koop not only proclaimed that "cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting" but also urged that they should be treated with the same caution as illegal street narcotics.

Based on two decades of research by more than 50 scientists, Koop's 1 1/2- in.-thick treatise, titled The Health Consequences of Smoking: Nicotine Addiction, earned unanimous accolades from the medical community as well as praise from politicians. "The Surgeon General's report is a clear challenge to all who care about the health of smokers," says Ovide Pomerleau, professor of behavioral medicine at the University of Michigan. "This socially approved habit is going to go the way of the spittoon." Among Koop's recommendations: warning labels about addiction on packages of tobacco products, a ban on cigarette vending machines in order to curb availability to children and tighter regulation of tobacco sales through licensing. Democratic Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey has already introduced legislation in Congress that would require tobacco companies to print an additional caveat on their products: "Smoking is addictive. Once you start you may not be able to stop."

The tobacco industry, as expected, blasted the Surgeon General's report. "The claims that smokers are 'addicts' defy common sense and contradict the fact that people quit smoking every day," said Brennan Moran, a spokeswoman for the Tobacco Institute. "The Surgeon General has mistaken the enemy," declared Democratic Senator Terry Sanford of North Carolina. "In comparing tobacco -- a legitimate and legal substance -- to insidious narcotics such as heroin and cocaine, he has directed 'friendly fire' at American farmers and businessmen."

Koop's retort was devastating. "I haven't mistaken the enemy," he countered. "My enemy kills 350,000 people a year." In the U.S. in 1986, smoking-related lung ailments accounted for 108,000 deaths; heart disease, 200,000 more. By comparison, Koop continued, cocaine and opiates such as heroin dispatch about 6,000 people a year and alcohol about 125,000. Said he: "I think we're way ahead on deaths." As for nicotine's addictive qualities, the Surgeon General cited several national surveys that reveal 75% to 85% of the nation's 51 million smokers would like to quit but have so far been unable to do so.

The panic of a heavy smoker bereft of cigarettes speaks alarmingly of a physiological force at work that is more powerful than mere desire. Not long after taking up the habit, smokers become tolerant of nicotine's effects; as with heroin and cocaine, dependence quickly follows. Tobacco only seems safer because it is not immediately dangerous. Nicotine is not likely, for example, to fatally overstimulate a healthy heart, cause disorienting hallucinations or pack anywhere near the same euphoric punch as many other drugs. "People die with crack immediately," explains Alexander Glassman, a psychopharmacologist at the New York State Psychiatric Institute in Manhattan. "With cigarettes the problems occur 20 years down the line. Nobody lights up their first cigarette and dies."

Like many drugs that affect the nervous system, nicotine at once stimulates and relaxes the body. Because it is inhaled, it takes only seven to ten seconds to reach the brain -- twice as fast as intravenous drugs and three times faster than alcohol. Once there, it mimics some of the actions of adrenaline, a hormone, and acetylcholine, a powerful neurotransmitter that touches off the brain's alarm system, among other things. After a few puffs, the level of nicotine in the blood skyrockets, the heart beats faster and blood pressure increases. Result: smokers become more alert and may actually even think faster. In addition, nicotine may produce a calming effect by triggering the release of natural opiates called beta-endorphins. Thus a smoker literally commands two states of mind -- alertness and relaxation.

Nicotine operates on other parts of the body as well. By constricting blood vessels, it casts a pallor over the face and diminishes circulation in the extremities, often causing chilliness in the arms and legs. It relaxes the muscles and suppresses the appetite for carbohydrates. Since nicotine cannot be stored in the body, smokers maintain a relatively constant level in the blood by continuing to smoke. "Because you take 200 to 400 of these hits a day, there's a lot of reinforcement," says Nina Schneider, a psychopharmacologist at the University of California, Los Angeles. "It's self-administered, and it controls mood and performance. That's what makes it so powerfully addicting."

Despite all this, smoking can be conquered. Although ex-heroin users have reported that tobacco's grip was harder to break than their illicit drug habit, 43 million Americans have managed to quit smoking, mostly succeeding on their own. Increasingly, though, the one-third of all Americans who still smoke are seeking help in antismoking programs, which generally stress that the tobacco habit is a treatable addiction. The best stop-smoking programs, says Thomas Kottke, a senior consultant at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., combine several approaches with plenty of long-term support for the struggling nonsmoker. In a study published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Kottke's team compared 39 different regimens -- from self-help books to sensory deprivation -- and found that they all worked about the same. The real key to success, the researchers discovered, lies in the amount of face-to-face encouragement smokers get from physicians, friends and relatives. Even if it takes repeated attempts, the ultimate benefits of quitting far outweigh the anguish that accompanies it.

this was pulled from a TIME magazine...not sure how reliable they would be but...there ya go

Edited September 30, 2009 by TheGimp

[jynxxxedangel]

What if we don't WANT to quit?? Hmmmmmm?! We know it's not good for our bodies, but it's a small enjoyment that helps us get through the day, and keeps us HAPPY. I probably won't be happy when I'm in an iron lung, or toting around an oxygen tank someday, but that's nobody else's business but my OWN. I am FULLY AWARE of the consequences that can be brought on by smoking, and I accept them.

Not only that, but what are they going to tax NEXT, after tobacco revenue is gone? The non-smokers haven't thought about that..but guaranteed, it will be something that effects them, and MAJORLY. They should be GLAD that we smoke, because it's less tax money out of their pockets.

And the government can have ALL the social security money that's attached to my name, and they can suck on their fucking nationalised health care. I don't want ANY part of either. I want nothing from them, except for to be left ALONE. I'd be perfectly happy living in a cave, surviving upon dead animals, roots, and berries. And I can grow my own bloody tobacco, too! Who needs this kind of society, that thinks it can impress "what's best" onto people? I have a complete disdain for anything which is not REASONABLE, and this country is becoming less and less so.

Edited September 30, 2009 by jynxxxedangel

[TheGimp]

What if we don't WANT to quit?? Hmmmmmm?! We know it's not good for our bodies, but it's a small enjoyment that helps us get through the day, and keeps us HAPPY. I probably won't be happy when I'm in an iron lung, or toting around an oxygen tank someday, but that's nobody else's business but my OWN.

And the government can have ALL the social security money that's attached to my name, and they can suck on their fucking nationalised health care. I don't want ANY part of either. I want nothing from them, except for to be left ALONE.

i whole heatedly agree i smoke and iam happy i smoke..iam not happy about how much it cost..i am not happy at the fact they got rid of cloves i don't buy them regularly but i enjoy them from time to time and same with the Hookah i smoke Hookah about once every few months because i enjoy the flavor and it smells beautiful but as you said if i don't quit and if it turns out i get lung cancer or throat cancer or any form of cancer for that matter i did it to my damn self i can read the side of a cigarette label damn it...were all ganna die of something anyway whether were hit by a bus crossing the street or of lung cancer in our 60's or if we live to a ripe old age and pass away peacfully who the fuck cares

[Raev]

Jynxx, I work in Dearborn and most of my clientele are either middle-eastern born or of recent descent. Thus far, not one of them that I've talked to about this cares.

[jynxxxedangel]

Jynxx, I work in Dearborn and most of my clientele are either middle-eastern born or of recent descent. Thus far, not one of them that I've talked to about this cares.

Honestly, that amazes me! I thought for sure that people would be in an uproar!

You can bet that the practise won't disappear. It will simply go underground. People will be making and selling contraband moassel in private, or bringing it over from Canada.

Edited September 30, 2009 by jynxxxedangel

[Rev.Reverence]

Good article find gimp!

...I think that there is a loophole...but, I don't want to read the legal document.....

...PLEASE; someone who read it...answer me this.....can we buy them 'specialty-tobaccos' over the interweb, & have them shipped to our homes?

[TheGimp]

Good article find gimp!

...I think that there is a loophole...but, I don't want to read the legal document.....

...PLEASE; someone who read it...answer me this.....can we buy them 'specialty-tobaccos' over the interweb, & have them shipped to our homes?

well word has it threw the grape-vine and yea i know how the grape vibe works the story changes a little bit every time but rumor has it there ganna repackage cloves and Hookah tobacco with a 'new name' if that's possible?

if not as Jynx said under ground practices

Hookah Speak Easies

Edited September 30, 2009 by TheGimp

[candyman]

Good article find gimp!

...I think that there is a loophole...but, I don't want to read the legal document.....

...PLEASE; someone who read it...answer me this.....can we buy them 'specialty-tobaccos' over the interweb, & have them shipped to our homes?

Yes...and no. Yes because it seems that they have not yet gone deep into detail with this. No because they are on the hunt and will not stop at what they have done here...they will go after anything related which includes the internet. Most states already go after people that buy normal cigarettes online for a few cents off per pack. Remember man, this may feel good to you but you have to think of the children because...well...ah hell I can't even finish that.

Just go to Canada and buy the flavored stuff...oh wait they fucked this up too...

I believe it is time for me to add my own flavors to plain old tobacco...

[TheGimp]

Yes...and no. Yes because it seems that they have not yet gone deep into detail with this. No because they are on the hunt and will not stop at what they have done here...they will go after anything related which includes the internet. Most states already go after people that buy normal cigarettes online for a few cents off per pack. Remember man, this may feel good to you but you have to think of the children because...well...ah hell I can't even finish that.

Just go to Canada and buy the flavored stuff...oh wait they fucked this up too...

I believe it is time for me to add my own flavors to plain old tobacco...

they sell that stuff at any tobaco post my brother picked some up for his smokes if he feels the need or crave or urge or whatever the fuck ya wanna call it for falvor he picked up orange i belive few drops on your cigarette let it dry for a 2mins and you got yourself a flavored smoke

[Rev.Reverence]

Honestly, that amazes me! I thought for sure that people would be in an uproar!

You can bet that the practise won't disappear. It will simply go underground. People will be making and selling contraband moassel in private, or bringing it over from Canada.

...somehow...I think that the really hard core hookah smokers, will know how to flavor their tobacco...

[Rev.Reverence]

well word has it threw the grape-vine and yea i know how the grape vibe works the story changes a little bit every time but rumor has it there ganna repackage cloves and Hookah tobacco with a 'new name' if that's possible?

if not as Jynx said under ground practices

Hookah Speak Easies

They very well could do this...

[Raev]

They have gotten very in depth and detailed with this one.

The fda.gov press releases on it and Q&A section on this breaks it down into great detail.

Also - it lists that the ONLY tobacco NOT effected by this is "bona fide pipe tobacco".

Hookah smokers might be able to get through, using this.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Raev

[Soulrev]

Flavored cigs increase teen smoking. So instead of PARENTS DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS... The Government will do it for us. How wonderful! Maybe soon I won't even have to change diapers by myself.

God damn fucking motherfuckers.

[Rev.Reverence]

Flavored cigs increase teen smoking. So instead of PARENTS DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS... The Government will do it for us. How wonderful! Maybe soon I won't even have to change diapers by myself.

God damn fucking motherfuckers.

I GET IT NOW!

</sarcasm>

[Soulrev]

I don't know about studies, but personal experience, the answer to that question is yes, and no. The only reason heroin is easier to detox from is you can't pick it up at your local 7-11 or just about any grocery store, etc.

I will deal with cigarette withdrawals for the rest of my life if it meant I never had to feel heroin withdrawals again.

Not that I'd fuck with that shit anymore but just saying.

[candyman]

Yeah so why are cloves considered flavored cigs anyways? I assume they mean added flavor which would not apply to cloves. If they think the kids are attracted by the smell they need to think again...I smoke them but they smell like shit.

Also, cloves are not addictive and I have heard of many people using them to quit. Wow, get rid of something that might have helped. Now what am I supposed to use to quit smoking? Gum and patches with more nicotine? I wanna quit AND look goth at the same time...only cloves can help me with that.

[Soulrev]

I GET IT NOW!

</sarcasm>

Lol

[Soulrev]

Yeah so why are cloves considered flavored cigs anyways? I assume they mean added flavor which would not apply to cloves. If they think the kids are attracted by the smell they need to think again...I smoke them but they smell like shit.

Also, cloves are not addictive and I have heard of many people using them to quit. Wow, get rid of something that might have helped. Now what am I supposed to use to quit smoking? Gum and patches with more nicotine? I wanna quit AND look goth at the same time...only cloves can help me with that.

Well I'm pretty sure cloves have way more tar in them than regular cigs cuz when I used to smoke cloves on a regular basis I was coughing up some really nasty lung butter and stopped smoking cloves. No lung butter since haha.. And you may be right, I don't think they have as much nicotine in them, either, because they never really satisfy me like a normal cig.

[Rev.Reverence]

Yeah so why are cloves considered flavored cigs anyways? I assume they mean added flavor which would not apply to cloves. If they think the kids are attracted by the smell they need to think again...I smoke them but they smell like shit.

Also, cloves are not addictive and I have heard of many people using them to quit. Wow, get rid of something that might have helped. Now what am I supposed to use to quit smoking? Gum and patches with more nicotine? I wanna quit AND look goth at the same time...only cloves can help me with that.

You, are simply mistaken...they have tobacco in them, & bits of ground clove, & they oil the papers...

..& the old school filterless... :

I wanna' move, to Indonesia now!

...Oh...& they smell quite like Angels...

Lol

I've been working on learning the sarcasm lately...again.

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I can haz cloves cigar now!

Djarum cigarettes are no longer available for purchase in the US as of September 22, 2009. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, introduced in the US Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama, gives the FDA even more control of tobacco regulations; one of the provisions in the law includes a ban on the use of flavors in cigarettes, other than menthol.[1] Without current federal regulation on the sale of flavored cigars within the United States, Djarum has released a line of small, filtered, flavored cigars under the familiar names of their clove cigarettes. The clove cigars are sold in increments of twelve per pack, are wrapped using tobacco leaf rather than thin paper, and (though they use a different kind of tobacco) taste similar to their kredek predecessors.[2]

Djarum Website

Edited September 30, 2009 by Rev.Reverence

[Morbid Side]

I'm not really a fan of cloves, as they tend to give me a headache when people are smoking them around me. I don't understand the ban since they are just as bad as ciggarettes, and you don't see any prohibition on that. Philip Morris can produce and create all the major tobacco brands with different flavors and such, and the main reason is to minimize the use of underage smoking??? That is preposterous!

[Simon Bar Sinister]

Not really surprised. As mentioned in a previous post, they are seeing things like smoking and drinking as liabilities. Soon they will be taxing your Mt. Dew or Diet Coke or Cheetos. I think the Governor in NY wanted to tax the obese or something to that effect.

funny you should mention that; i saw a story on the news a couple of nights ago about some state (might've been this one) contemplating the institution of a tax on soda. using the $$$ to help fund med care and such.

[StormKnight (1)]

funny you should mention that; i saw a story on the news a couple of nights ago about some state (might've been this one) contemplating the institution of a tax on soda. using the $$$ to help fund med care and such.

This has been talked about for over a year now. They were also getting rid of vending machines in the schools that dispense soda, snacks, etc.

[Head Wreck]

so what's different about menthol cigarettes?

[StormKnight (1)]

so what's different about menthol cigarettes?

Most likely, the tobacco lobby forced keeping it on the books.

Edited September 30, 2009 by StormKnight

[bean]

I think the ban is total bullshit.

Edited September 30, 2009 by bean water