More of the Global Warming cookie crumbles.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn't been verified

The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action.

‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.'

Dr Lal’s admission will only add to the mounting furore over the melting glaciers assertion, which the IPCC was last week forced to withdraw because it has no scientific foundation.

According to the IPCC’s statement of principles, its role is ‘to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis, scientific, technical and socio-economic information – IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy’.

The claim that Himalayan glaciers are set to disappear by 2035 rests on two 1999 magazine interviews with glaciologist Syed Hasnain, which were then recycled without any further investigation in a 2005 report by the environmental campaign group WWF.

It was this report that Dr Lal and his team cited as their source.

The WWF article also contained a basic error in its arithmetic. A claim that one glacier was retreating at the alarming rate of 134 metres a year should in fact have said 23 metres – the authors had divided the total loss measured over 121 years by 21, not 121.

Last Friday, the WWF website posted a humiliating statement recognising the claim as ‘unsound’, and saying it ‘regrets any confusion caused’.

Dr Lal said: ‘We knew the WWF report with the 2035 date was “grey literature” [material not published in a peer-reviewed journal]. But it was never picked up by any of the authors in our working group, nor by any of the more than 500 external reviewers, by the governments to which it was sent, or by the final IPCC review editors.’

In fact, the 2035 melting date seems to have been plucked from thin air.

Professor Graham Cogley, a glacier expert at Trent University in Canada, who began to raise doubts in scientific circles last year, said the claim multiplies the rate at which glaciers have been seen to melt by a factor of about 25.

‘My educated guess is that there will be somewhat less ice in 2035 than there is now,’ he said.

‘But there is no way the glaciers will be close to disappearing. It doesn’t seem to me that exaggerating the problem’s seriousness is going to help solve it.’

One of the problems bedevilling Himalayan glacier research is a lack of reliable data. But an authoritative report published last November by the Indian government said: ‘Himalayan glaciers have not in any way exhibited, especially in recent years, an abnormal annual retreat.’

When this report was issued, Raj Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, denounced it as ‘voodoo science’.

Having been forced to apologise over the 2035 claim, Dr Pachauri blamed Dr Lal, saying his team had failed to apply IPCC procedures.

It was an accusation rebutted angrily by Dr Lal. ‘We as authors followed them to the letter,’ he said. ‘Had we received information that undermined the claim, we would have included it.’

However, an analysis of those 500-plus formal review comments, to be published tomorrow by the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), the new body founded by former Chancellor Nigel Lawson, suggests that when reviewers did raise issues that called the claim into question, Dr Lal and his colleagues simply ignored them.

For example, Hayley Fowler of Newcastle University, suggested that their draft did not mention that Himalayan glaciers in the Karakoram range are growing rapidly, citing a paper published in the influential journal Nature.

In their response, the IPCC authors said, bizarrely, that they were ‘unable to get hold of the suggested references’, but would ‘consider’ this in their final version. They failed to do so.

The Japanese government commented that the draft did not clarify what it meant by stating that the likelihood of the glaciers disappearing by 2035 was ‘very high’. ‘What is the confidence level?’ it asked.

The authors’ response said ‘appropriate revisions and editing made’. But the final version was identical to their draft.

Last week, Professor Georg Kaser, a glacier expert from Austria, who was lead author of a different chapter in the IPCC report, said when he became aware of the 2035 claim a few months before the report was published, he wrote to Dr Lal, urging him to withdraw it as patently untrue.

Dr Lal claimed he never received this letter. ‘He didn’t contact me or any of the other authors of the chapter,’ he said.

The damage to the IPCC’s reputation, already tarnished by last year’s ‘Warmergate’ leaked email scandal, is likely to be considerable.

Benny Peiser, the GWPF’s director, said the affair suggested the IPCC review process was ‘skewed by a bias towards alarmist assessments’.

Environmentalist Alton Byers said the panel’s credibility had been damaged. ‘They’ve done sloppy work,’ he said. ‘We need better research on the ground, not unreliable predictions derived from computer models.’

Last night, Dr Pachauri defended the IPCC, saying it was wrong to generalise based on a single mistake. ‘Our procedure is robust,’ he added.

[creatureofthenyte]

I wonder if ManBearPig is still real ?

[torn asunder]

as iv'e been saying all along, you can't make projections based on a dataset that's smaller than the time frame of the natural cycles involved.

i'm glad to see things falling apart on this...

[candyman]

But...but...the ice on my driveway melted faster than it did other years how do you explain that?!?!

If they focused more on making the individual a part of whatever solution they see then this stuff would never happen. Don't tell us a glacier is melting too fast...just highlight proper water use and maybe some ways that you can improve things...like making the numbers on you bills smaller.

Every time they say something bad is happening I just get an image of people in California acting like the people in South Park on the global warming episode...AHHH ITS COMING! RUN! You know, the same people that are totally surprised when forest fires and mud slides tear them apart...like they do every year at roughly the same time.

Edited January 25, 2010 by candyman

[AstralCrux]

Every time they say something bad is happening I just get an image of people in California acting like the people in South Park on the global warming episode...AHHH ITS COMING! RUN! You know, the same people that are totally surprised when forest fires and mud slides tear them apart...like they do every year at roughly the same time.

+ 1000

[phee]

This is good... I like crumbly warm cookies....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

and even more...

[angry_darkness]

I never bought into the global warming thing. for the past thirty years there had been some sort of alarmist saying the world was going to end in some form or another.In the 70's it was global freezing, 80's was the hole in the ozone layer and the 90's and 2000's it has been global warming. It is just a way for alarmist to get money to live on.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

OMG, even more evidence that Global warming is over hyped bullshit....

"The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine."

I'm sorry, but the IPCC needs to be shut down. Like almost all UN projects it's corrupt as can be.

[phee]

OMG, even more evidence that Global warming is over hyped bullshit....

"The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine."

I'm sorry, but the IPCC needs to be shut down. Like almost all UN projects it's corrupt as can be.

They should upgrade to Revs magic 8 ball and fortune cookies.

[AstralCrux]

They should upgrade to Revs magic 8 ball and fortune cookies.

+ 1,000,000,000,000

[Enishi]

There was some warming occurring until around 2000, and I would bet that some of it was possibly caused by us humans. I think our own contribution may have been overestimated however, and the role of the solar cycle underestimated. However, I also think it had much more to do with the human tendency of "I'm smart and this is the theory I'VE chosen to endorse, therefore it MUST be true" than anyone wringing their hands behind the curtain and planning to rip people off.

Edited January 31, 2010 by Enishi

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Oh, could be. Please explain how Gore went from haveing bank accounts that amounted to about $400,000 after the 2000 election that are now over $100,000,000+.

That bit about no one "wringing their hands behind the curtain and planning to rip people off" made me puke in my mouth a little.