"debarking" surgery for dogs

[Simon Bar Sinister]

read more here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35219154/ns/health-the_new_york_times/?GT1=43001

to anyone considering this: JUST GET A ***KING CAT, YOU SORRY F**K!

Edited February 4, 2010 by SpammerOvTheGods

[candyman]

I don't really think that many people just go out and do this right away. Its cheaper to train them to be quiet or to get a collar than it is for most any surgery. If training and the other things don't work then how is this wrong? Animals get their junk lopped off all the time and its hard to find one with private parts intact...is this really that much worse? I highly doubt people are getting this done for no reason at all.

And cats can make noise too...my neighbors have told me that before and although its not as loud it is just as annoying when Tiggs is crying for me to come home. So I don't see how cats are a better option...you should have said fish considering the only noise they make is " ".

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

not to justify, because I think its horrendous, but a lot of apartment complexes, in some states won't allow cats because of the smell of their urine......

yeah, if you can't live with an animal as is, then don't get one.... surgically altering a pet, unless MEDICALLY necessary, is just cruel.

[AmieLamie]

If anyone does that, I will personally kick their ass.

edit: unless you are bigger and stronger. lol

Edited February 4, 2010 by AmieLamie

[freydis]

How selfish.

If you cant stand the barking of a dog?

DONT FUCKING GET ONE.

[AmieLamie]

How selfish.

If you cant stand the barking of a dog?

DONT FUCKING GET ONE.

Exactly.

[jynxxxedangel]

I read a news story awhile ago, about a guy who got sick of hearing his neighbour's dog's incessant barking (apparently, it was left outside quite often); he took the dog into a vet, had it debarked, and returned it to the neighbour's yard!

I'm a huge fan of critters, and I totally feel his pain...but I would never even think of doing such a thing. My neighbours have a nuisance barker. I've actually contemplated buying a dog whistle to blow, to try and curb it. I have also contemplated walking over there, and feeding it a big spoonful of peanut butter.

If I were to debark anything, it would be my neighbour's rambunctious, rude, noisy children. I don't think either of them possess an "indoor voice."

Edited February 4, 2010 by jynxxxedangel

[deathfearsnone]

that sounds cruel to me i like to de bark some humans but i can't cause its in humane

[pomba gira]

That's as bad as declawing cats, which is unspeakably cruel and totally unnecessary. And there are plenty of lazy-asses who would run out and do this without even trying to actually train the animal, regardless of the cost... just as so many people get cats declawed without even trying to get them a fucking scratching post or two.

And... spaying/neutering animals is totally different from mutilating them for aesthetic and/or human convenience reasons.

[Rev.Reverence]

The ONLY reason for using such a surgery...is to make a quieter-better-hunter-killer-guardian-beast out of dogs...(half-wolf breeds are good for this)...that said, it is an outdated & barbaric practice, from the dark ages...& should be left to military bases...but, I am not sure we use those...but, we should.....half blood hound,half wolf...they'ld be badasses at hunting talibans...

[candyman]

That's as bad as declawing cats, which is unspeakably cruel and totally unnecessary. And there are plenty of lazy-asses who would run out and do this without even trying to actually train the animal, regardless of the cost... just as so many people get cats declawed without even trying to get them a fucking scratching post or two.

And... spaying/neutering animals is totally different from mutilating them for aesthetic and/or human convenience reasons.

Well it is pretty difficult to get a cat with claws now. Strays are the only ones we find where the majority of them have their claws. My cat has two scratching posts, a scratching pad, and countless other objects that we have tried over the years. I have yet to declaw him...but if he gets one more person that comes over to our house I will have to...thankfully my friends don't mind the blood.

And mutilation would include spaying/neutering if we want to use definitions. It is also something for our human convenience most of the time.

[candyman]

The ONLY reason for using such a surgery...is to make a quieter-better-hunter-killer-guardian-beast out of dogs...(half-wolf breeds are good for this)...that said, it is an outdated & barbaric practice, from the dark ages...& should be left to military bases...but, I am not sure we use those...but, we should.....half blood hound,half wolf...they'ld be badasses at hunting talibans...

They still do use dogs...but due to some rulings it is now "cruel" to use them in searches because apparently people can die or suffer horrible side effects from dogs barking at them...so they are kept around but really only for drug searches.

[TygerLili]

I'm not much of a dog person, partly because the barking drivers me nuts, but I would never consider doing this to a dog. It sounds very cruel and unnecessary. Not only would the dog not be able to communicate, it wouldn't be able to cry for help if being attacked. Why would one get a dog if one didn't want to hear barking?

Spaying/neutering is actually beneficial to animals in most cases because, not only does it prevent unwanted breeding, it reduces the risk of certain types of reproductive cancers and tumors in animals. As someone who lost a cat to breast cancer, I would never consider not neutering another pet.

[pomba gira]

Well it is pretty difficult to get a cat with claws now. Strays are the only ones we find where the majority of them have their claws. My cat has two scratching posts, a scratching pad, and countless other objects that we have tried over the years. I have yet to declaw him...but if he gets one more person that comes over to our house I will have to...thankfully my friends don't mind the blood.

And mutilation would include spaying/neutering if we want to use definitions. It is also something for our human convenience most of the time.

In many areas it's difficult to find a vet who will declaw cats. It is much less common than it used to be, and is actually illegal in most (western) countries.

AFA spaying/neutering, in addition to the health issues Tygerlili mentioned, it prevents the birth of unwanted animals who would end up sick, starving, and/or abused... I don't think that's really a matter of human convenience.

BTW if your cat is really that aggressive you might want to try some Feliway... the diffuser is more convenient but the spray works just fine. Those little claw caps work really well, too... but the Feliway will address the root of the behavior.

[candyman]

In many areas it's difficult to find a vet who will declaw cats. It is much less common than it used to be, and is actually illegal in most (western) countries.

AFA spaying/neutering, in addition to the health issues Tygerlili mentioned, it prevents the birth of unwanted animals who would end up sick, starving, and/or abused... I don't think that's really a matter of human convenience.

BTW if your cat is really that aggressive you might want to try some Feliway... the diffuser is more convenient but the spray works just fine. Those little claw caps work really well, too... but the Feliway will address the root of the behavior.

He only goes after certain people though...even the people that like cats.

I have never run into a vet that won't declaw cats...except for in Madison but that town is different that the rest of the state. And taking the reproductive organs away still kinda is a human thing...many people do it to avoid more pets, altering the behavior of some pets, and various other things that they don't want...but it doesn't apply to everyone. I was just saying that in the whole mutilation scheme that is does fit...you are altering or removing existing parts and somehow I doubt that the animal gives a shit whether or not you are altering its vocal cords or its private parts...just saying.

My beef here is that the article, and the reactions, make it sound like this is a very common thing. If it was I am sure that the news would be much more wide spread and we would have heard about it much sooner. Fact is that this, like many other things people do to animals, is probably not as common as we would like to think. Honestly there are not that many breeders out there and how do we know all of them do it?