maybe it's NOT the junk food

[Simon Bar Sinister]

...or not only or primarily the junk food. Endocrine disruptors:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35315651/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition

[Rev.Reverence]

Yup...we done poisoned our gene-pool now...

[Nienna]

...or not only or primarily the junk food. Endocrine disruptors:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35315651/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition

I read this elsewhere... and I kind of agree with it. I also kind of feel like it's yet another excuse for not taking appropriate care of one's body. I'm guilty myself of the eating / laziness cycle, and I still feel that way. Our country enables people to be fat. Good food (organic, natural, etc. ) costs so much more than processed fake food, that for alot of people, it's prohibitive. We're a poor, fat nation. There needs to be a food revolution that makes the more healthy products more available to the general public. It would be interesting to see if the obesity epidemic was helped then.

[freydis]

I read this elsewhere... and I kind of agree with it. I also kind of feel like it's yet another excuse for not taking appropriate care of one's body. I'm guilty myself of the eating / laziness cycle, and I still feel that way. Our country enables people to be fat. Good food (organic, natural, etc. ) costs so much more than processed fake food, that for alot of people, it's prohibitive. We're a poor, fat nation. There needs to be a food revolution that makes the more healthy products more available to the general public. It would be interesting to see if the obesity epidemic was helped then.

I really wish better food was cheaper. Good, wholesome food tastes wonderful....

[Nienna]

I really wish better food was cheaper. Good, wholesome food tastes wonderful....

Yes. I would eat alot more veggies and fruit if it didn't cost a fortune. $7.00 for 2 lbs of organic strawberries??? WTF!!??

[Destroit]

I grow my own shit so it's practically free. I know this is impossible for some. I'm also investing in a deep-freeze so that I can go out on a nice weekend in the summer here and there to a pristine lake up north and bag massive amounts of fish and be able to store it. I also just got a crossbow and plan on getting a hunting license so I can go out to the woods and rock Bambi's world.

Some people say hunting is cruel but they've obviously never seen where commercial meat comes from. It's less wasteful too, you bag like two huge deer and you're set for a damn while. Every time you buy burger there's like 5 fucking different cows in there, such a huge waste of life. I also see it as more honorable to hunt because you're facing the "enemy" and they also have a chance to escape, unlike feed lot where it's a giant conveyor belt of death and torture from which there is no possibility of escape for the animal.

When I start hunting I'll probably give friends and DGN members a chance to purchase whatever wild game for CHEAP. I don't care to make money off of stuff, I care to see more of the American population be healthy and happy.

I'd sell organic veggies from my garden but it may not be big enough to support that. It will probably be sufficient enough just to support my household. If I do end up with a bumper crop though, I'll be glad to sell some of it off.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Chernobyl

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I grow my own shit so it's practically free. I know this is impossible for some. I'm also investing in a deep-freeze so that I can go out on a nice weekend in the summer here and there to a pristine lake up north and bag massive amounts of fish and be able to store it. I also just got a crossbow and plan on getting a hunting license so I can go out to the woods and rock Bambi's world.

Some people say hunting is cruel but they've obviously never seen where commercial meat comes from. It's less wasteful too, you bag like two huge deer and you're set for a damn while. Every time you buy burger there's like 5 fucking different cows in there, such a huge waste of life. I also see it as more honorable to hunt because you're facing the "enemy" and they also have a chance to escape, unlike feed lot where it's a giant conveyor belt of death and torture from which there is no possibility of escape for the animal.

When I start hunting I'll probably give friends and DGN members a chance to purchase whatever wild game for CHEAP. I don't care to make money off of stuff, I care to see more of the American population be healthy and happy.

I'd sell organic veggies from my garden but it may not be big enough to support that. It will probably be sufficient enough just to support my household. If I do end up with a bumper crop though, I'll be glad to sell some of it off.

Cher... Hunting with a cross bow is illegal as all hell, at least in Michigan it is. You can on the other hand "fish" with your cross bow if you have the right attachments.

[Destroit]

Cher... Hunting with a cross bow is illegal as all hell, at least in Michigan it is. You can on the other hand "fish" with your cross bow if you have the right attachments.

We have a regular bow and arrow, I didn't know hunting with a crossbow is illegal.

Damnit...first they tell me hunting with a rocket launcher is illegal and now this shit .

[Rev.Reverence]

We have a regular bow and arrow, I didn't know hunting with a crossbow is illegal.

Damnit...first they tell me hunting with a rocket launcher is illegal and now this shit .

Get a rifle...it's still fair...humans are frail, & weak.

[Destroit]

Get a rifle...it's still fair...humans are frail, & weak.

Speak for yourself. When Chuck Norris goes hunting the only weapon he brings is Chuck Norris.

I'm trying to get there too, that's why whenever I see a deer I challenge it to a race. I've only lost twice so far.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Chernobyl

[Rev.Reverence]

Speak for yourself. When Chuck Norris goes hunting the only weapon he brings is Chuck Norris.

I'm trying to get there too, that's why whenever I see a deer I challenge it to a race. I've only lost twice so far.

...Chuck doesn't HUNT...he just stares at deer from his porch, they come inside, & lay down on the butcher block.....

[Destroit]

...Chuck doesn't HUNT...he just stares at deer from his porch, they come inside, & lay down on the butcher block.....

DAAAYMN.

I just got Chuck told

[Rev.Reverence]

DAAAYMN.

I just got Chuck told

...REV...Knows Chuck

[Nienna]

I grow my own shit so it's practically free. I know this is impossible for some. I'm also investing in a deep-freeze so that I can go out on a nice weekend in the summer here and there to a pristine lake up north and bag massive amounts of fish and be able to store it. I also just got a crossbow and plan on getting a hunting license so I can go out to the woods and rock Bambi's world.

Some people say hunting is cruel but they've obviously never seen where commercial meat comes from. It's less wasteful too, you bag like two huge deer and you're set for a damn while. Every time you buy burger there's like 5 fucking different cows in there, such a huge waste of life. I also see it as more honorable to hunt because you're facing the "enemy" and they also have a chance to escape, unlike feed lot where it's a giant conveyor belt of death and torture from which there is no possibility of escape for the animal.

When I start hunting I'll probably give friends and DGN members a chance to purchase whatever wild game for CHEAP. I don't care to make money off of stuff, I care to see more of the American population be healthy and happy.

I'd sell organic veggies from my garden but it may not be big enough to support that. It will probably be sufficient enough just to support my household. If I do end up with a bumper crop though, I'll be glad to sell some of it off.

Oh man.. I would KILL for a place to have a garden... *sigh*

[torn asunder]

that article is an interesting piece of inference, but with all of the "probably", "may", "suspected", and "thought to" phrases thrown about in it, it's really nothing more than speculation & i don't buy it. i'm not saying these things don't have *any* effect, but to say they're the reasons diets fail is just silly.

*most* people who start diets want immediate results, and when they don't see any in a month or so, they give up. usually people don't even track their calories or exercise enough to know whether they're in a calorie deficit or not. people want immediate results, they don't think about the fact that for most of them, it took years to get overweight, and it'll take years to get back to being healthy. i'm really irritated by this continued trend of people looking for any and every possible reason that it's not their fault...

(and yes, i realize that doesn't apply to everyone. please don't jump me over specific situations for which the above doesn't apply...)

[Destroit]

that article is an interesting piece of inference, but with all of the "probably", "may", "suspected", and "thought to" phrases thrown about in it, it's really nothing more than speculation & i don't buy it. i'm not saying these things don't have *any* effect, but to say they're the reasons diets fail is just silly.

*most* people who start diets want immediate results, and when they don't see any in a month or so, they give up. usually people don't even track their calories or exercise enough to know whether they're in a calorie deficit or not. people want immediate results, they don't think about the fact that for most of them, it took years to get overweight, and it'll take years to get back to being healthy. i'm really irritated by this continued trend of people looking for any and every possible reason that it's not their fault...

(and yes, i realize that doesn't apply to everyone. please don't jump me over specific situations for which the above doesn't apply...)

I'm not going to say they're SOLELY the reason that diets have failed, but, I've seen time and time again the influence of this stuff on your weight.

I've helped people lose weight and people have had me lose weight. If you fill your diet 2,000 calories a day with organic stuff that has none of these preservatives in them compared to eating 2,000 calories of Diet pop, preservative laden Diet Food like Special K or their little snack bars, and other processed food, the first person WILL be thinner.

I'm going by personal experience on that one. I believe it as it has proven itself to me time and time again.

I don't believe diets FAIL because of this...but they are definitely hindered.

[torn asunder]

I've helped people lose weight and people have had me lose weight. If you fill your diet 2,000 calories a day with organic stuff that has none of these preservatives in them compared to eating 2,000 calories of Diet pop, preservative laden Diet Food like Special K or their little snack bars, and other processed food, the first person WILL be thinner.

the two diets your describing have little to do with organic foods vs. inorganic, you're talking about real food vs. processed. processed foods like cereal/cereal bars are high in carbs and terribly low in protein, setting up high fluctuations in blood sugar levels. this contributes to the rise of cortisol in your system (a stress hormone) and that is known to promote catabolism (breaking down muscle for energy) among other things.

eating nothing but 2000 cal. of mcdonalds hamburgers & chicken sandwiches would be better than high-glycemic-index foods like cereal/cereal bars (although admittedly not a *lot* better!). even though mcdonalds can be high in fat content, it's also full of protein. the problem is, most people don't understand how to create a proper diet. if i were to create identical diets of real food for two people, one of whom ate totally organic, and the other who ate the same *real* foods, but ones grown/raised with modern practices (including pesticides/hormones), you likely wouldn't see much of a difference in weight loss or health issues.

[Destroit]

the two diets your describing have little to do with organic foods vs. inorganic, you're talking about real food vs. processed. processed foods like cereal/cereal bars are high in carbs and terribly low in protein, setting up high fluctuations in blood sugar levels. this contributes to the rise of cortisol in your system (a stress hormone) and that is known to promote catabolism (breaking down muscle for energy) among other things.

eating nothing but 2000 cal. of mcdonalds hamburgers & chicken sandwiches would be better than high-glycemic-index foods like cereal/cereal bars (although admittedly not a *lot* better!). even though mcdonalds can be high in fat content, it's also full of protein. the problem is, most people don't understand how to create a proper diet. if i were to create identical diets of real food for two people, one of whom ate totally organic, and the other who ate the same *real* foods, but ones grown/raised with modern practices (including pesticides/hormones), you likely wouldn't see much of a difference in weight loss or health issues.

Mehhh...I disagree still. Also the article actually lists case studies that are contrary to this.

[Rev.Reverence]

the two diets your describing have little to do with organic foods vs. inorganic, you're talking about real food vs. processed. processed foods like cereal/cereal bars are high in carbs and terribly low in protein, setting up high fluctuations in blood sugar levels. this contributes to the rise of cortisol in your system (a stress hormone) and that is known to promote catabolism (breaking down muscle for energy) among other things.

eating nothing but 2000 cal. of mcdonalds hamburgers & chicken sandwiches would be better than high-glycemic-index foods like cereal/cereal bars (although admittedly not a *lot* better!). even though mcdonalds can be high in fat content, it's also full of protein. the problem is, most people don't understand how to create a proper diet. if i were to create identical diets of real food for two people, one of whom ate totally organic, and the other who ate the same *real* foods, but ones grown/raised with modern practices (including pesticides/hormones), you likely wouldn't see much of a difference in weight loss or health issues.

You just got TORN Cherny!

[Destroit]

You just got TORN Cherny!

So you're saying that all the pesticides, antibiotics, and hormones DON'T have a negative effect on the human body? One of these effects most likely being weight gain?

Well fuck, then I'll go home and make a lead-shake and put some asbestos in that shit!

I still stick to the sentiment that putting all this poisonous shit in our food because it's cheap for the companies is bad news. The case studies in the article agree with my sentiment.

Edited March 9, 2010 by Chernobyl

[Rev.Reverence]

Take organic food, & process the shit out of it...it'll be crap...

..I eat PLENTY of crap...I am not fat..I eat plenty of fresh veggies...& you KNOW, I can not affords no organic nothin'!

...& the PROPER way to serve asbestos, is just with mustard...

*ducks*

Edited March 9, 2010 by Rev.Reverence

[Destroit]

Take organic food, & process the shit out of it...it'll be crap...

..I eat PLENTY of crap...I am not fat..I eat plenty of fresh veggies...& you KNOW, I can not affords no organic nothin'!

...& the PROPER way to serve asbestos, is just with mustard...

*ducks*

Right, but you also don't have the same hormone make-up as everyone else. There's always exceptions to the rule.

I personally think that these things have a bigger impact on women because most of these hormone disrupting chemicals target estrogen.

Me personally, I've gone on "organic" diets and took in relatively the same carbs, fat, protein etc as I did on "processed" diets and trust me, there's a HUGE difference in weight gain, loss, and the ability to keep it off. Hence why I disagreed with Torn on that, when I said the thing about the two different 2,000 calorie diets I'm talking about the same "food values" just one processed and one organic.

And "take organic food and process the shit out of it and it will be crap"? Duh. My point exactly .

Edited March 9, 2010 by Chernobyl

[torn asunder]

Mehhh...I disagree still. Also the article actually lists case studies that are contrary to this.

well, i do agree with you regarding the two diets you describe, but you're really comparing apples to oranges. a diet of real foods vs. a diet of highly processed foods is no contest. the article talks about the problems with "natural and synthetic chemicals known as endocrine-disrupting chemicals (EDCs)". did you notice the term "natural" in there? one of the things they talk about is the natural hormones found in soy proteins. they act as estrogen in the body, disrupting natural hormone levels. this is an "organic, natural" food, yet they're throwing it in with all these other artificial chemicals!

[Hellion]

Preservatives are government/corporate mandated to be used in most if not all foods,we are a chemical nation.

yes growing your own food,(living off the land) is way better,it tastes better no preservatives,and no pesticides either.

[torn asunder]

Me personally, I've gone on "organic" diets and took in relatively the same carbs, fat, protein etc as I did on "processed" diets and trust me, there's a HUGE difference in weight gain, loss, and the ability to keep it off.

now, in no way am i calling you a liar or anything, but i'd have really liked to see the macro breakdown between your "organic" diet and your "processed foods" diet. did you track it? what were your ratios of carbs/protein/fat? were you eating the same number of calories? what was your calorie intake vs. output? and also, what kinds of proteins? what kinds of carbs? i can eat 1000 calories of frosted flakes, and 1000 calories of cold-rolled or steel-cut oats, and in no way are they "equal". i can eat 40 grams of whey protein isolate, 40 grams of protein from chicken, 40 grams of protein from soy, and 40 grams of protein from milk products (casein), and they will all process differently. this has little to do with the effect of pesticides on weight los, imo. (btw, whey protein isolate is hugely processed, but there's nothing bad about it. just because something is processed doesn't automatically make it bad.)

i'm not disagreeing with the idea that pesticides & such are bad for you, i'm just saying i think they have very little to do with problems with weight loss.