Glenn Beck and Christians

[phee]

*looks out of bunker*

Really?...I was certain I'ld get bombed for that one...OH, wait...you're a commie

*makes room for phee in bunker*

I will bring the salsa... the RED salsa for me and my KOMRADS

[Rev.Reverence]

I will bring the salsa... the RED salsa for me and my KOMRADS

.....I, as a black flag waving Anarchist, will be happy to eat SHARE RED salsa...

(EDIT FOR ITALICS)

Edited March 19, 2010 by Rev.Reverence

[taysteewonderbunny]

I re-read it. I think perhaps Glenn should have clarified his point better. It came across as an attack against Christianity, which I don't Think was his intention, but you're right TWB, it did come across that way.

I don't think that he meant it as an attack against Christianity as a whole. He is not saying Christianity is bad. He himself belongs to the Church of Latter Day Saints.

But his statements are divisive, offensive, and representative of only a small segment of Christian believers.

Most Christian churches feel that they have a social responsibility to, at the minimum, convert non-believers, and, more often, alleviate some suffering of their fellow human beings, or offer them comfort and prayer.

Many who engage in these practices fall all over the political spectrum. To equate them with fascists or communists because they feel that there could be more love and fellowship in the world, to declare some followers "untrue" Christians because of a sincere desire to help other people is rude and close-minded.

It would be one thing if he denounced a tactic or policy or movement on the basis of its efficacy. It would be fine if he would clearly delineate this distinction he has drawn (because I don't understand how the one thing is clearly identifiable from the other) between acceptable acts of Christian charity and Christian-defined social justice, that Jesus would support one and denounce the other, and how his OPINION is supported in fact. How does that work? How was Jesus NOT a proponent of social justice?

If I were to suggest to large numbers of people that they should abandon their faith, I would want to be very clear on the facts and my intentions, even if I meant it jokingly. I am an atheist, and yet I have no desire to encourage people to leave their churches if they feel it necessary to give them direction, meaning, and morality.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Ever hear the phrase, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"?

Jesus said that. fucking socialist bastard.

I love you.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Redistribution of wealth happens every day to some degree or another. In societies where leveling mechanisms aren't consciously deployed to redistribute some of the wealth to the masses, violence is usually the norm. True, muchof the violence is directed intra-strata versus inter-strata (that is, people of the same economic class are typically the most brutal to each other), but coups (usually a small band of a lower class overtaking the ruling class) and genocides (typically a higher class eliminating all members of a subjugate class) are more likely too. It rather behooves us all to allow a little of our own go for the sake of the many.

Oh, and historically, the most peaceful societies are tiny, have no hierarchy, and are horticulturally (no commercial farming) based. There is no need for a leveling mechanism because no one has anything but what they carry with them and all share between them.

So, if you like your things, pay your taxes. That way your cousin doesn't get beaten over the head for a Twinkie and some tennis shoes.

[Rev.Reverence]

Redistribution of wealth happens every day to some degree or another. In societies where leveling mechanisms aren't consciously deployed to redistribute some of the wealth to the masses, violence is usually the norm. True, muchof the violence is directed intra-strata versus inter-strata (that is, people of the same economic class are typically the most brutal to each other), but coups (usually a small band of a lower class overtaking the ruling class) and genocides (typically a higher class eliminating all members of a subjugate class) are more likely too. It rather behooves us all to allow a little of our own go for the sake of the many.

Oh, and historically, the most peaceful societies are tiny, have no hierarchy, and are horticulturally (no commercial farming) based. There is no need for a leveling mechanism because no one has anything but what they carry with them and all share between them.

So, if you like your things, pay your taxes. That way your cousin doesn't get beaten over the head for a Twinkie and some tennis shoes.

Edited March 19, 2010 by Rev.Reverence

[phee]

Redistribution of wealth happens every day to some degree or another. In societies where leveling mechanisms aren't consciously deployed to redistribute some of the wealth to the masses, violence is usually the norm. True, muchof the violence is directed intra-strata versus inter-strata (that is, people of the same economic class are typically the most brutal to each other), but coups (usually a small band of a lower class overtaking the ruling class) and genocides (typically a higher class eliminating all members of a subjugate class) are more likely too. It rather behooves us all to allow a little of our own go for the sake of the many.

Oh, and historically, the most peaceful societies are tiny, have no hierarchy, and are horticulturally (no commercial farming) based. There is no need for a leveling mechanism because no one has anything but what they carry with them and all share between them.

So, if you like your things, pay your taxes. That way your cousin doesn't get beaten over the head for a Twinkie and some tennis shoes.

*phee likes taysteewonderbunny*

[Soulrev]

Get the fuck out of town. Who really thinks ANYONE deserves *ANYTHING* without working for it? I've earned every God Damned thing I own, including healthcare. What is with people these days? I'm so fucking sick of all you lazy ass people who think you're entitled to everything under the sun just because you're an American. Guess what? The ONLY thing ANY human being is ENTITLED TO is OXYGEN! Anything else is ***YOUR*** responsibility. Nobody deserves free handouts from the government. If you are recieving aid from the government it is a PRIVELAGE and not a RIGHT. Your basic rights as per the government have been laid out on paper for years. Yet everyone seems to think they should get free (to them, of course) healthcare from the government. Everyone wants this. Everyone wants that. GO FUCKING EARN IT!

Sure, I've taken aid from the government. Federally guaranteed student loans, that, guess what, I HAVE TO PAY BACK! Oh noes!

My point is, (and this entire post is not directed towards any one person or group of persons here) - Americans need to get the fuck over themselves and deal with their own problems just like I've dealt with mine for 25 years. I guess taking responsibility for your own actions and your own future is a thing of the past. Americans want Big Brother and that's what we're getting. Someone to hold our hands and tell us it will be alright while we wave big American flags around and be so happy to be socially and economically equal to the rest of the world. Big Free America is the thing of the past, you lazy fucks wanted it, you got it. That is all.

[Soulrev]

well, the money that publicly built and maintains roads could be counted as "forcibly stolen" by your definition, so don't drive anymore, mmkay?

...and fuck Glenn Beck. 100% ignorance on full display, just like every other time he opens his mouth. Ever hear the phrase, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"?

Jesus said that. fucking socialist bastard.

Oh and Glenn today just retouched this topic. In fact I am listening to this right now. Funny he quoted the same Bible quote as someone else tried using that viewpoint. I'm not defending any one person's view but perhaps if you are so inclined to tear apart everything he said, you should be watching his show right now, because he pretty much just clarified everything. Just saying you should check it out if interested. If not, I don't care.

[freydis]

Anyone else find it amusing in the light of everything he's said, Glenn Beck is a Mormon?

From the article:

Beck's own church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which he joined in 1999 with his wife and children, suggested Beck's comments did not necessarily represent its position.

Edited March 24, 2010 by freydis

[taysteewonderbunny]

Anyone else find it amusing in the light of everything he's said, Glenn Beck is a Mormon?

From the article:

Yes. I read a little interview of him in a Sunday magazine insert in my paper. Apparently, he shopped around quite a bit looking for a church, even popped into my own denomination, but his (then) teenaged daughters thought the Mormons the most friendly, so he went with it.