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Reminds me of the rumor where Bertrand Russell, who in his lecture supposedly gave a description of the nature of the planets' orbits, was accosted by an old lady afterward who accused Russell of spreading nonsense. As the legend goes, she said, "What you've said is a bunch of rubbish! You can't fool me! I am a Christian woman. I know it's turtles (turtles, turtles) all the way down.

I say legend because it is likely that it never happened, but the tale is retold often in epistemology discussions.

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:confused: ...where in Christianity does it say anything about turtles? And what does that have to do with the planet's orbit?

I am pretty sure it's not really in approved texts. I also don't believe it (the scenario with the old woman) really happened. Russell made a reference to turtles in one of his books, but the context was entirely different. What is true is that the story, even if false, is frequently referenced, at least in the WSU philosophy department, as analogous to a problem in epistemology. I think a variation of the tale was printed in a book by Stephen Hawkings who attributed it to Russell.

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I am pretty sure it's not really in approved texts. I also don't believe it (the scenario with the old woman) really happened. Russell made a reference to turtles in one of his books, but the context was entirely different. What is true is that the story, even if false, is frequently referenced, at least in the WSU philosophy department, as analogous to a problem in epistemology. I think a variation of the tale was printed in a book by Stephen Hawkings who attributed it to Russell.

Hmm...seems weird that such smart people have to make up stories to deface a religion they do not like...they should be smart enough to do something less abrasive or they could just say "I don't like it, its not true" and be done with it. I had kinda heard the story before in college but tossed it off as one of the many times that a teacher went out of their way to attack Christians, males, white males, and especially white Christian males. If it makes them feel better even Christians think that they are very smart and hold no grudges...

Anyways, enough of this before a fire starts...and where the hell is Brother Maynard? He was called for over 2 hours ago...

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I think it's in the Book of Armaments somewhere.

Brother Maynard?

...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu...

"skip a bit, brother"...

...And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.

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