anti depresents xanex

[cptdeath]

Anyone notice the corolation between anti dipresents and suicides. what about people who drink and take xanex developing domestic violence charges. a kid in my neighborhood was given an anti dipressent sample by a doctor and killed himself that weekend all drunk. he would be alive with out it. another guy started taking xanax and still drank. after a month or so he got real weird snap totally unprovoked black out beat up his girlfriend of 2 years. never happened before the xanax. Chris Benoit a drinker allways kept a level head never abusive, started taking xanax. after a month he lost it took out the whole family. They only found xanax and alcahol in his system not staroids. I have an uncle who never had a history of abuse till about a month and a half after he started taking xanax. It's psychotropic and in combination with alcahol over a period of time changes your brain chemistry slowly. meant to make anger and negative emotions managable. it is some times abused for recreation and is very common. reppressed anger builds behind the xanax and is amplified by alcahol till it spills out as soon as a relaxed state is acheived. a lack of inhabition will relax the mind releasing the emotion from what ever naturally checks it. like a body becomes dependent on artaficial growth hormone. the part of the brain that allows us to control our temper becomes dependent on the artificial mechanism that controls anger and can no longer do it indapendintly. I wonder what level of awareness doctors have of this, if they factor in drinking as a lifestyle when perscribing xanax. maybee it's just swept under the rug in lew of Profits. Has any one else noticed this pattern in their own experiences? I am no doctor myself but have in interest in the community health and in scientific method, so when i see a pattern like this i feel an awarenes should be raised. but i could be wrong in my theroy. please either confirm this pattern or dissmiss it. what have you seen these drugs do? I have seen people abuse nurontin for recreation and in one night they were changed forever. Nurontin in high doses is used to treat savere schizophrenia. they tried to give it to my brother who drinks like a fish and only has a balance problem from a head injury. he refused it cause it turned a guy to a permanant veggie right in front of him. I wonder what the doctors would have made from that?$

[bean]

Antidepressants come with a warning that suicidal thoughts can occur. Any psychiatrist or doctor that is worth anything will bring this to the patient's attention. The problem is that when suicidal thoughts occur, patients will often ignore them and will not take the steps necessary to get help.

As far as Xanax goes, again, any psychiatrist or doctor that is worth anything will factor in alcohol use before they consider prescribing the drug. The problem with that though is that patients will often lie about their alcohol use, or will continue to use alcohol even though they are told not to. People who have a history of addiction should not be prescribed this drug.

Neurontin is generally prescribed for some types of seizures. It is also sometimes prescribed as a sleep aid. Neurontin is rarely prescribed for schizophrenia, and when it is, it is in addition to an antipsychotic, and only when other medications don't work. Neurontin has little to no abuse potential.

People who respond poorly to these medications, or abuse them either have some other sort of disorder going on, or are abusing drugs and/or alcohol, which interferes with the medications that are prescribed.

As far as Chris Benoit goes, he was known to abuse steroids, which increases testosterone in the body. When he died, he was found to have 10 times the normal amount of testosterone in his body. Increased testosterone = increased aggression.

Edited April 15, 2010 by bean

[Oh_My_Goth]

Docs hand out Meds like freakin' candy & Medical doctors should not be aloud to prescribe Psych drugs.. That should be determined by a Psychiatric professional. Many people on Meds should not be.. They go to their Doc and tell them they feel down, so they hand them something that will pick them up.. Sounds like a drug dealer to Me.

& I will add this...

Medication is for SHORT TERM USE, so you can get to the bottom of the REAL problem!!

Consistent use over many years destroys the body & The mind... It does NOT fix your issues, it just satiates you so you and makes you weak in the long run. I would love to see the people that have been on Psyche drugs for years, that use it for a crutch, get cut off... Perhaps then they will wake up and realize what they are doing to themselves and the real reason they are unhappy. {I know.. I'm a dick... Right? }

& If this statement offends you.. You may want to consider taking a closer look at your life

[Rayne]

& I will add this...

Medication is for SHORT TERM USE, so you can get to the bottom of the REAL problem!!

Consistent use over many years destroys the body & The mind... It does NOT fix your issues, it just satiates you so you and makes you weak in the long run. I would love to see the people that have been on Psyche drugs for years, that use it for a crutch, get cut off... Perhaps then they will wake up and realize what they are doing to themselves and the real reason they are unhappy. {I know.. I'm a dick... Right? }

& If this statement offends you.. You may want to consider taking a closer look at your life

While I do completely agree many meds are handed out without clear warrant, and some people only need them for a short time use ... And of course, psychiatrists should be the only ones perscribing psychotrophic medications.

I find it very hard to ignore that there are a smaller amount of people who will need long term treatment and will not be able to lead a stable, relatively normal life without the use of medications. Many of these people end up in inpatient centers when they decide to not take their medication.

Sorry M., but I know several people who are dependant on a combination of long term meds and therapy to lead a stable and normal life.

[Slogo]

I was having anxiety issues at one point and they put me on Effexor. I was sweating all the time and I couldn't ejaculate. Had attention problems and they gave me adderall. If I have trouble remembering to do little things, why would you give me something little to remember to do?

Meds (to me anyway) = Useless

[TitsMcGee]

The only think I'm going to add, is that the kid who got a sample then killed himself that weekend didn't have enough in his system to affect him yet. It takes at least 2 weeks for the medicine to build up in ones system. I've been on various medications for my mental issues since I was 12 years old, and the only one I had major issues with was Prozac. The higher the dose, the more cutting and suicide attempts. Most of the scars I have are from when I was on that evil pill. Well I'm saying it's evil for me, for some people it does work quite well. It all depends on the person and their body chemistry.

[kat (1)]

Xanax is not an anti-depressant. It is used to treat anxiety and panic disorder. Although depression often occurs with anxiety and panic disorder, the primary, or AXIS 1 diagnosis would be Depression and as a result, the depression would need to be treated first, xanax would be used as an add on to treat the anxiety and panic associated with the primary diagnosis, be it depression, bipolar, etc.... Nobody should be prescribed xanax to deal with depression. Xanax can actually cause depression in people. It is not the kind of drug that needs to be taken over time for it's effects to occur, it works rather quickly and should not be used on a regular, long term basis. A doctor should not prescibes xanax for the sole purpose of depression, especially knowing that a person has a history of addiction in any capacity. Unfortunately, we have many people out their in our society that have no need to find their addictions from the local neighborhood dealer, all they have to do now a days is visit the doctor, and their hooked for life.

Notice how our economy is in the toilet, banks losing money, the auto industry, the housing market, all dying. However, the one industry that seems to thrive, like cockroaches in a radioactive disaster, are the pharmaceutical companies.

[Guest Megalicious]

Any psychiatrist or doctor that is worth anything will bring this to the patient's attention.

As far as Xanax goes, again, any psychiatrist or doctor that is worth anything will factor in alcohol use before they consider prescribing the drug.

People who respond poorly to these medications, or abuse them either have some other sort of disorder going on, or are abusing drugs and/or alcohol, which interferes with the medications that are prescribed.

And as for the Xanax, why the hell are these doctors not trying buspar first? It has no addictive quality and has the same effect... IT DRIVES ME UP THE FUCKING WALL. *rant about Xanax over*

I'm not saying it is NEVER needed, but I'm with OMG here, THERE MUST be more focus on teaching REAL COPING SKILLS and not just handing out pills because it is more convenient for everyone.

That being said Rayne has an excellent point. There are some disorders that are functional, or perhaps the better word is dysfunctional, on a bio level. This small percentage of mentally ill CANNOT lead normal or functional lives with out their meds - I say that with the QUALITY of life they lead in mind. Can they function without them, yes. But is their (and the people that love them) quality of life compromised - you better believe it. I believe as long as it is used responsibly, in the smallest doses needed, and is only enhancing the life of my patient, I am all for it.

However, even people that suffer from these types of disorders are HIGHLY OVER MEDICATED. Some of them even seen as a "lost cause" and are just walking around like fucking zombies - its fucked up, it's sad and it's WRONG.

[kat (1)]

And as for the Xanax, why the hell are these doctors not trying buspar first? It has no addictive quality and has the same effect... IT DRIVES ME UP THE FUCKING WALL. *rant about Xanax over*

I'm not saying it is NEVER needed, but I'm with OMG here, THERE MUST be more focus on teaching REAL COPING SKILLS and not just handing out pills because it is more convenient for everyone.

That being said Rayne has an excellent point. There are some disorders that are functional, or perhaps the better word is dysfunctional, on a bio level. This small percentage of mentally ill CANNOT lead normal or functional lives with out their meds - I say that with the QUALITY of life they lead in mind. Can they function without them, yes. But is their (and the people that love them) quality of life compromised - you better believe it. I believe as long as it is used responsibly, in the smallest doses needed, and is only enhancing the life of my patient, I am all for it.

However, even people that suffer from these types of disorders are HIGHLY OVER MEDICATED. Some of them even seen as a "lost cause" and are just walking around like fucking zombies - its fucked up, it's sad and it's WRONG.

Could not have said this better myself. You can have a diagnosis, most of us do. (trust me read the DSM-4) It's all about coping skills.

I have panic and anxiety myself, I know my triggers. I don't sit around and pop pills all day to deal with it though.

[taysteewonderbunny]

Anyone notice the correlation between antidepressants and suicide? [...] A kid in my neighborhood was given an antidepressant sample by a doctor and killed himself that weekend all drunk.

Um, antidepressants generally take about two weeks to start having antidepressant effects. If this kid had a depressive condition already such that he needed to begin treatment and then consumed quantities of alcohol (a known depressant), I would consider the alcohol the more contributive factor in his death.

Antidepressants come with a warning that suicidal thoughts can occur. Any psychiatrist or doctor that is worth anything will bring this to the patient's attention. The problem is that when suicidal thoughts occur, patients will often ignore them and will not take the steps necessary to get help.

Yes, that may be a major factor. But, additionally, new research suggests that suicidal ideation does NOT correlate nearly as closely as previously believed with suicide attempts. That is, a great, great many people think of it and never act on it, and others, who generally don't think on it, especially obsessively, may commit the act impulsively.

[torn asunder]

i have to take exception, based on personal experience, with the statement that anti-depression meds take two weeks or so to affect change. in the past, i'd tried out 3-4 different drugs, and with each one, i was profoundly affected within a day, sometimes less, and it either didn't change, or got worse, not better, over the course of 2-3 weeks.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Sorry M., but I know several people who are dependant on a combination of long term meds and therapy to lead a stable and normal life.

I never said anything to the contrary...

& That doesn't mean that it is not taking a toll on them. I have run into a few highly functional individuals that have been on Meds for many years.. The ones I have known also have many other health issues as well.

Medication is not a solution to a problem.. It's a band-aid.

[Guest Megalicious]

Medication is not a solution to a problem.. It's a band-aid.

Exactly, and that is why even with individuals that are affected on a biological level, NEED to relearn behaviors, toxic thinking patterns, learn HEALTHY coping skills and so on and so on. Even in the case where people take meds, the MEDS are USELESS without these things.

[phee]

Meds by themselves.... cannot solve psychological issues yes... but that does not really effect long or short term use.... different situations call for different lengths of use.

[Oh_My_Goth]

Exactly, and that is why even with individuals that are affected on a biological level, NEED to relearn behaviors, toxic thinking patterns, learn HEALTHY coping skills and so on and so on. Even in the case where people take meds, the MEDS are USELESS without these things.

Yepperz.. That's why I said in Me original post that people use it as a crutch.

[Guest Megalicious]

Meds by themselves.... cannot solve psychological issues yes... but that does not really effect long or short term use.... different situations call for different lengths of use.

I have to disagree, Thee Phee.

That is like saying the mind does not affect the body or the body the mind. In taking care of yourself, learning better coping skills, of course you can affect the outcome of med use, people do it everyday. The psychosomatic connection should never be overlooked nor underestimated.

I get what you are saying though, it is all in context - but then again EVERYTHING is. Nothing is black and White. There will always be situations and circumstances that call for different measures.

[Slogo]

I'll stick with my crack and pcp thank you very much

[freydis]

Some effects of antidepressants--depending on the type, im sure--can be seen very quickly.

One doctor prescribed Celexa for what they still believe to be IBS-D.

I only took one, and was so spastically wired, I couldn't sleep that night.

People looked at me funny at work, because I was acting (and felt like) I was on speed or something.

It was profoundly horrid.

Needless to say, it also didn't work.

[prick]

Lets remember that everyone is different and drugs effect different people in different ways. My girls son is autistic and is 7 and does not speak and wears diapers. He is in constant pain of all sorts from nose and ear infections to migraine headaches. He is on several meds and if he wasnt he would live in unimaginable hell. He bangs his head and bites himself on the arms badly when hes having a bad day. I know everyone thinks they are an expert but if you saw what this poor boy goes through even with meds you wouldnt even mention taking him off them. There are always extreme cases. I meen how does a doctor or parent treat a child that cant even communicate? A big part of the anti depressants is no drinking and seek psychiatric help. The M.D. can only do so much. Its up to the individual to help themselves as well.

[torn asunder]

Some effects of antidepressants--depending on the type, im sure--can be seen very quickly.

One doctor prescribed Celexa for what they still believe to be IBS-D.

I only took one, and was so spastically wired, I couldn't sleep that night.

People looked at me funny at work, because I was acting (and felt like) I was on speed or something.

It was profoundly horrid.

Needless to say, it also didn't work.

wow, i'm really surprised by this - i was affected by celexa just as quickly, but in an entirely opposite direction. from the start, though, it made me a zombie. i stumbled through days, couldn't remember what happened even an hour or two before, slept 14hrs a day, even started seeing things after a week or so on it.

it really is surprising just how differently people react to meds!

[candyman]

I feel lucky that allergy medicine is the only stuff that I take...it just makes you fall asleep...but it probably has some horrible effects that I am not yet aware of.

[torn asunder]

I feel lucky that allergy medicine is the only stuff that I take...it just makes you fall asleep...but it probably has some horrible effects that I am not yet aware of.

same here - i tried a few meds for depression but could never take them longer than a week or so, they just fucked me up worse. only "meds" i take now are decongestants and expectorants. i don't even take pain meds anymore, as they inhibit muscle repair after workouts. i do still take some things, on rare occasion, recreationally, but those are few and far between.

the more you allow your body to handle, imo, the better it becomes and dealing with things. i won't even go to the doctor anymore, unless i'm practically on my death bed.

[candyman]

same here - i tried a few meds for depression but could never take them longer than a week or so, they just fucked me up worse. only "meds" i take now are decongestants and expectorants. i don't even take pain meds anymore, as they inhibit muscle repair after workouts. i do still take some things, on rare occasion, recreationally, but those are few and far between.

the more you allow your body to handle, imo, the better it becomes and dealing with things. i won't even go to the doctor anymore, unless i'm practically on my death bed.

Yeah I can't do pain meds either...after my first surgery I found out that I am allergic to all the full strength pain reliever which meant that I can only take aspiring...anything higher and I am screwed. For my three surgeries after that I REALLY had to learn pain relief through meditation and such...

[taysteewonderbunny]

i have to take exception, based on personal experience, with the statement that anti-depression meds take two weeks or so to affect change. in the past, i'd tried out 3-4 different drugs, and with each one, i was profoundly affected within a day, sometimes less, and it either didn't change, or got worse, not better, over the course of 2-3 weeks.

True, when I said what I said, I was thinking along the lines of Wellbutrin, Prozac, etc. Effexor is ephedrine, essentially. In drugs like those, you would feel an immediate effect.

Edited April 17, 2010 by taysteewonderbunny

[torn asunder]

True, when I said what I said, I was thinking along the lines of Wellbutrin, Prozac, etc. Effexor is ephedrine, essentially. In drugs like those, you would feel an immediate effect.

well, off the top of my head, i was prescribed celexa, wellbutrin, and concerta (i think there was one other, and these weren't prescribed close together, time-wise) - with each of them, it was no more than 2 days (48 hrs) before i felt effects. this is why they talk about prescribing anti-depressants being more an "art" than a science, because everybody's chemistry can be so different.